Newbie - When to stop?

[jgk62]

After reading the boards for a couple days I decided to join. Lots of great info here!

I have a stupid question. I'm thin build with high metabolism. I recently started working out with free weights and a pulley system home gym. My goal is to fill out my clothes, so I'd like to add inches all around.
My workout involves exercising different parts using the most weight I can handle for up to 6-8 reps.
My question is: Should I stop my routine when I'm feeling 'bulked up'? Because if i keep lifting, the bulked up feeling dissipates and i'm wondering if i should have stopped after the first set....
Hope this makes sense.

Thanks in advance!

 

[zackdarnell]

My question is: Should I stop my routine when I'm feeling 'bulked up'? Because if i keep lifting, the bulked up feeling dissipates and i'm wondering if i should have stopped after the first set....

What does your routine look like?

Welcome to Elite, by the way.

 

[Drunken_Weasel]

Should I stop my routine when I'm feeling 'bulked up'? Because if i keep lifting, the bulked up feeling dissipates and i'm wondering if i should have stopped after the first set....
Hope this makes sense.

Thanks in advance!

No, You should do multiple sets. Just one set isnt going to do as much for you as 3-5 will.

 

[serapio]

there no things as stupid questions, but tell us about your routine to help you better

 

[Happyastro]

Heavy duty.

Workout 6 days on, 1 day off.

Hit each body part 2 times a week.
Focus on heavy compond movement.
Forget the pully system pulldown; use the chinup bar for weighted chinups instead it will build you up alot faster.
As for hamstrings forget the pully system too; use stiff leg dead lifts. (careful use a good belt and form)
People say that you have to be a high level body builder to work out 6 days a week; I say they are highlevel BECAUSE they work out 6 days a week to begin with.
(But I am a Mesomorph/ectomorph; so if you feel drain either increase your cal intake or do a 3 on, 1 off.)

Eat 500 calories+ above your maintenance level.
Maintenace level= 12 X lbs

Take a caffein pill+ Ephedrine pill+ Aspirin pill 20 mins before workout. and one in the afternoon.
Take a b12 injection every second day for 3mls (it may be a waste but damn I feel good on the stuff.)

Eat High quality protein, and fats; as for carbs adjust it so you get the best water retention level for lifts (rule of thumb if you can see a "moon face" coming on when you look in the mirror; you are getting enough carbs DO NOT take more as it will get converted to fat)

That is my work out I am a Mesomorph/ectomorph body type; so adjust it to your needs; as a pure ectomorph you should maybe increase you calorie intake to 700+ instead of my +500.

As for Abs sit ups lying on a boxing ball; it will involve your middle abs more together with your upper.
To polish off your lower abs focus on weighted hanging raises (use a strap to allow you to focus on your abs; as you are not training grip but your abs)
Use weights to train abs just like any other body part.
And keep in mind that you will not be able to see your abs till about 9% body fat; and your lower abs will require about 7% body fat for most people.)

Train on and good luck.

As for steriods; stay off it until you reach your genetic potential.

Mad Mongolian

 

[zackdarnell]

Re: Heavy duty.

Workout 6 days on, 1 day off.

Hit each body part 2 times a week.
Focus on heavy compond movement.
Forget the pully system pulldown; use the chinup bar for weighted chinups instead it will build you up alot faster.
As for hamstrings forget the pully system too; use stiff leg dead lifts. (careful use a good belt and form)
People say that you have to be a high level body builder to work out 6 days a week; I say they are highlevel BECAUSE they work out 6 days a week to begin with.
(But I am a Mesomorph/ectomorph; so if you feel drain either increase your cal intake or do a 3 on, 1 off.)

Eat 500 calories+ above your maintenance level.
Maintenace level= 12 X lbs

Take a caffein pill+ Ephedrine pill+ Aspirin pill 20 mins before workout. and one in the afternoon.
Take a b12 injection every second day for 3mls (it may be a waste but damn I feel good on the stuff.)

Eat High quality protein, and fats; as for carbs adjust it so you get the best water retention level for lifts (rule of thumb if you can see a "moon face" coming on when you look in the mirror; you are getting enough carbs DO NOT take more as it will get converted to fat)

That is my work out I am a Mesomorph/ectomorph body type; so adjust it to your needs; as a pure ectomorph you should maybe increase you calorie intake to 700+ instead of my +500.

As for Abs sit ups lying on a boxing ball; it will involve your middle abs more together with your upper.
To polish off your lower abs focus on weighted hanging raises (use a strap to allow you to focus on your abs; as you are not training grip but your abs)
Use weights to train abs just like any other body part.
And keep in mind that you will not be able to see your abs till about 9% body fat; and your lower abs will require about 7% body fat for most people.)

Train on and good luck.

As for steriods; stay off it until you reach your genetic potential.

Mad Mongolian

This doesnt answer his question at all.

 

[Happyastro]

Opps hehe

Yeah you should not stop because of some feeling; keep going focus on your strength gains and monitor the "moon face" as a rough guide for water weight.

 

[Thaibox]

Re: Heavy duty.

Workout 6 days on, 1 day off.

Hit each body part 2 times a week.
Focus on heavy compond movement.
Forget the pully system pulldown; use the chinup bar for weighted chinups instead it will build you up alot faster.
As for hamstrings forget the pully system too; use stiff leg dead lifts. (careful use a good belt and form)
People say that you have to be a high level body builder to work out 6 days a week; I say they are highlevel BECAUSE they work out 6 days a week to begin with.
(But I am a Mesomorph/ectomorph; so if you feel drain either increase your cal intake or do a 3 on, 1 off.)

Eat 500 calories+ above your maintenance level.
Maintenace level= 12 X lbs

Take a caffein pill+ Ephedrine pill+ Aspirin pill 20 mins before workout. and one in the afternoon.
Take a b12 injection every second day for 3mls (it may be a waste but damn I feel good on the stuff.)

Eat High quality protein, and fats; as for carbs adjust it so you get the best water retention level for lifts (rule of thumb if you can see a "moon face" coming on when you look in the mirror; you are getting enough carbs DO NOT take more as it will get converted to fat)

That is my work out I am a Mesomorph/ectomorph body type; so adjust it to your needs; as a pure ectomorph you should maybe increase you calorie intake to 700+ instead of my +500.

As for Abs sit ups lying on a boxing ball; it will involve your middle abs more together with your upper.
To polish off your lower abs focus on weighted hanging raises (use a strap to allow you to focus on your abs; as you are not training grip but your abs)
Use weights to train abs just like any other body part.
And keep in mind that you will not be able to see your abs till about 9% body fat; and your lower abs will require about 7% body fat for most people.)

Train on and good luck.

As for steriods; stay off it until you reach your genetic potential.

Mad Mongolian

WTF????
I'm not even going to begin with whats wrong with this. This guys a thin newbie trying to bulk. How the hell does this have anything to do with him or his question. Not to mention its bad advice. Damn.


jgk62.......I think I understand your question, and no you shouldn't stop. That feeling is good.

Good luck with your training, welcome to the boards, and ask as many questions as you want until you're a 290 lb monster Lots of good bros/info here

 

[Happyastro]

Worked so far.

The training has worked so far; str going up week per week, fat levels negligible.
I believe the body will adjust if given the right food and stress.
Many training partners use similar routine crosstrained with thaiboxing/wrestling and they get good gains (albeit some are on gear.)

Why would a heavy routine not work out for a newbie?

Mad Mongolian

 

[theoak01]

Re: Worked so far.

Why would a heavy routine not work out for a newbie?

Mad Mongolian

because he does not have the form down and that is what is important,light weight will still allow weight gain as this is something new to the body,once form is down weight can go up

 

[Thaibox]

His goal = to fill his clothes

- If he's a true ectomorph, he has no concern for fat. Fat gain is good. Any gain is good. Therefore excessive carb intake should not be a concern. Moonface? who cares?

- If he's just now starting, chances are he won't be able to do enough chins to be productive, let alone "weighted" chins.

- No way should he be taking an ECA stack. Jesus, you want his metabolism to speed up faster?

- Your calorie count is WAAAAY off. Lets assume he weighs 160 lbs, that means, by your system, that he would eat (maximum)2600 cals/day. Thats dieting dude. If this guy's calories drop below 3,000, he's not going to grow.

- why even mention steroids at all?

- You're advocating the use of a belt for a newbie???? If you like hurniated discs and weak abs, then thats fine I suppose.

-are you going to go to his house to show him how to do a SLDL or just let him fuck his back with heavy weight and poor form?

- TRAIN 6 DAYS A WEEK???????
Part of the definition of an ectomorph is their vulnerability to overtraining. Ectomorphs train hard too often, shrink, then give up because they think its hopeless because of advise like yours

- you're telling him to take B-12 shots. Totally unecessary complication

- he doesn't give a crap if he can "see his abs", because they'll be surrounded by bone not muscle.


You don't understand the ectomorphic condition, so giving advise as though you do is a very bad idea and can lead people to a crash and burn in their training.

Simple plan of attack...Lift hard and smart, consitently, and infrequently, rest a lot, and never stop eating. Thats all it is

 

[jgk62]

My routine is more or less like this:

M, W, F
3 sets upper body using lat pull down, military press, upright press, butterfly on the pulley system
And then curls, etc using dumbbells

T, Th
lower body using leg press, leg developer on pulley system, squats, lunges and step ups using dumbbells

I've been working out lightly the past 5 months but last week stepped up the resistance.

I know I can never be big but my goal is to be defined.
I'm 40 by the way. I watch what i eat and dont have much body fat.

Thanks, you guys (and gals) are great...

 

[jgk62]

Oh yea, forgot to mention that I work the abs 3 times a week using different floor exercises non stop for 15 minutes, and they sure are sore when i'm done.

 

[theoak01]

try this maybe
monday
5 sets of lat pull downs/military press monday
with 3 sets of side laterals with db's
db deadlifts 5sets

wed do 5 sets of upright press
5 sets of butterfly
5 sets of curls to failure
5 sets of db curls
if you can do pushdowns for tri's on the cable system
overhead tricep extensions with db

fri lower body
5 sets squats
leg press 3 sets
5 sets lunges
and i assume you are squating with a cable system if so make a step with wood or whatever and stand on the edge and do calf raises

hopefully this helps

and just eat like mad

 

[Happyastro]

Nods to Thaibox

Yeah I was not thinking about the ectomorph condition... never experienced it.
I suppose ectomorphs have different needs from Mesomorph/ectomorph types; the maintenance level it maybe off since ectomorphs have a different meto rate from mesomorphs.
As for the B12 injections, they are great for all body types and have no bad side effects, so it is not really a complication.
The steriod advice is just something I believe in since alot of new trainers I know have thought about the gear at one time or another.

Well I still believe in the need to focus on compound movements and not stop due to a strange feeling; let your str/body weight journal give you a better indication.
A journal is a MUST because if your strength is not going up it is a sign of trouble.

Thanks for clearing it up Thaibox

Mad Mongolian

 

[Thaibox]

I actually think b-12 is great also. I meant "complication" as unnecessary for the average person. Most people aren't willing to poke themselves.

I just read my post, sorry if it sounded a little harsh. I just wanted to give your info a check, thats all.

 

[RusPA81]

Where does one find a B12 shot? I assume that these are legal and can be purchased OTC somewhere.

 

[Thaibox]

You can get B-12 at vet stores and such for dirt cheap. You can get human grade B-12 also, but I never tried. I'm sure somebody on the anabolic board could tell you where to find human grade. I don't see why a doc wouldn't just give it to you.