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[Fluffy]

I was wondering if anyone has some advice for me, as to what I could start of with?

I've never used anyting, and do not need anything MAJOR, as I have been working out for 8 years and are quite satisfied. I have been reading a lot on this forum, but there are so many different oppinions.

People at my gym advice me to do a small dose of deca for 12 weeks, but here at the forum many people say that you should not do deca alone?.. so.. if you are recommending deca to a newbie, how big a dose would that be, and alone or with test/or other? or not deca at all?.........

Im 23 years old, 8% body-fat, 175cm/78kg

thanks in advance

 

[Fluffy]

oh and by the way: do I need nolvadex, or some other anti-e when doing deca? can I get gyno from doing deca?

 

[drrman]

oh and by the way: do I need nolvadex, or some other anti-e when doing deca? can I get gyno from doing deca?

yes, some do get gyno from deca, but its not likely...........i wouldn't touch a cycle without test in it bro, simply run 500mg test Enanthate for 10 weeks and run arimidex throughout the cycle

 

[mikefear]

yes, some do get gyno from deca, but its not likely...........i wouldn't touch a cycle without test in it bro, simply run 500mg test Enanthate for 10 weeks and run arimidex throughout the cycle

word.

everything you need:

-test cyp or enan, run 500mg for 10-12 weeks. split the dose into 2 injects during the week.
-2 bottles of AIFM, use 2 pumps ed and throughout pct.
-5000iu of hcg, 500iu ed for 10 days during pct.
-food.
-sleep.
-food.
-gym.
-food.

 

[anabolic12]

yes, some do get gyno from deca, but its not likely...........i wouldn't touch a cycle without test in it bro, simply run 500mg test Enanthate for 10 weeks and run arimidex throughout the cycle

I agree with "drrman" 100% keep it simple and do what he is saying.. You will love this cycle and if your training & diet are on point, you will make great gains... However, I would expect your bf% to rise a little, but that can fixed Post cycle.

Good luck

 

[aceofspades]

You will always want to run Test in your cycle and you will need to run PCT. If you are running it that long, you might also want to add HCG in it also.

A common cycle might be:

Test Enanthate 500mg (Week 1 - Week 14)
Deca 400mg (Week1 - Week 12)

 

[cash50]

word.

everything you need:

-test cyp or enan, run 500mg for 10-12 weeks. split the dose into 2 injects during the week.
-2 bottles of AIFM, use 2 pumps ed and throughout pct.
-5000iu of hcg, 500iu ed for 10 days during pct.
-food.
-sleep.
-food.
-gym.
-food.

I'm also a noob but what is AIFM? HCG? ED?

 

[mikefear]

AIFM is Aromatase Inhibitor For Men, it's a great Anti-Estrogen made by the AF Store, a board sponsor and well-known, trusted supplement company that has a huge, loyal following here on EliteFitness.

HCG is Human Chorionic Gonadotropin.. it helps to stimulate LH and brings the 'boys' back to size. More info here: http://www.steroid.com/HCG.php

ED means "every day"
EOD = "every other day"
E#D = "every # days" for example e5d = "every 5th day.." e3d = "every 3rd day."

 

[Fluffy]

ah, thanks a lot guys, great help! wich leads on to more questions I have heard that you do not get gyno from tren, is that true? and is it preffered to do tren instead of deca/test, if one can afford it?

 

[mikefear]

Definitely wrong.. tren gives a LOT of people gyno.

It is also not recommeneded for a first cycle. Stick with just test for now.

 

[drrman]

Definitely wrong.. tren gives a LOT of people gyno.

It is also not recommeneded for a first cycle. Stick with just test for now.

well mike, i said the same thing last week and ulter came back and told me that it was close to 1%, i agree with you, it gives more people gyno than many think

 

[Fluffy]

ok thanks a lot

 

[mikefear]

Just going from anecdotal evidence and the amount of people on here who report gyno after using tren... real world statistics may be different.. I'd say less than 1/10% of people who use AAS come on EF, so I'm sure the majority don't get it.. but it's not an impossibility.

 

[Fluffy]

the more I read I see that everyone says "do not use deca(or any other gear?) ALONE".

But could someone explain to me WHY not?

 

[drrman]

the more I read I see that everyone says "do not use deca(or any other gear?) ALONE".

But could someone explain to me WHY not?

because deca will shut you down extremely hard and can often cause "deca dick" meaning you can't get a normal erection while you are using it and some time afterwards. general rule always run as much test in a cycle as you run deca

 

[Fluffy]

when you say " shut you down", what do you mean?... thanks

 

[drrman]

when you say " shut you down", what do you mean?... thanks

i mean your body shuts down its production of natural testosterone, so when you come off your body isn't producing ANY test and you ahve no test in your system....so you "crash" hence that is why you run PCT

 

[dsh89]

Yup always keep it simple first time. Running 500mg/week Test E or Cyp will yeild a good 20 lbs gain in 10 weeks. Keep your diet and training in check, run an AI during the cycle, and HCG/Clomid or Nolva afterwards, and you will be pleased with the results.