Newbie nonsense...

[silverfreak]

Hey Everyone,

I've been reading a ton on here lately, so first off I want to say you all seem like a really great bunch of people willing to lend some solid advice. Cheers to that!

The reason I'm here is more or less cause I'm contemplating my first (planned...) cycle. Now, I'm not after getting massive, puffed out, or bloated looking....I would REALLY like to approach this (cycle) as moderately and as gradual as possible. My goal is to build a moderate amount of good quality muscle (and keep as much as possible) but it does not have to be an immediate increase. I'm VERY leary of injections , so my mindset as of late has been along an oral cycle (winni). However, I'm making this post to be open minded after reading so much negative stuff about oral cycles. Any info you could share would be great.

Here are my stats.....I'm 26yrs old, 6'3, 200lbs. Body fat probably in the 19-21% range. I pretty much always eat healthy, so a good balanced diet is NOT a problem for me. I was training pretty seriously for 2-3 years up until about 8 months ago.

Again, I'm after a minimalistic approach here....from pokin around (no pun intended)....my available options are deca, test en, sus 250, winn, and winn tabs... probably more, but that's all I remember right now.

Thanks in advance!!!

 

[mikefear]

test @ 750mg/wk for 10-12 weeks will be fine for ya.

i'd dry to get taht bf down a little though.. that being said, you'll probavly lose bodyfat during the cycle

 

[looking to lean]

what happened 8 months ago? stopped training? if so, juice is not the answer to getting it all back.

you will want to get near your physical peak before jumping on the juice. and at 19-21% bf, your diet is no where near in check.

so first things first. get a meal plan for the entire week. including days off. for this you will need to know your bmr and your relative amount of physcal activity per day.

from there you will need a small calorie deficeit. for myself thats around 2500-2800 cals. you will want your macro break down to vary each day to keep your body from adapting. thats your protein/carb/fat ratio. keeping the fat to only healthy fish oils and nuts. and only 10-15% of your total intake on any given day.

if you can, go to the gym first thing in the morning (after a SMALL meal of protein and carbs...no fat), then 30 mins of cardio AFTER weight training.

now do this over and over... till you can honestly say your are down (or under) 15% bf. by that time you will have been on this 'diet' for at least a couple months. you will also know if you have the dedication to stay on this diet. I say diet, but its more of a lifestyle change cuz you will never eat the same again once you have it 'dialed in' as we say.

then and only then will you want to even start considering juice as a possibility.

I have hope for you my fellow Canuck. ask as many questions as you like, but remember to do some research before asking broad questions, as so many first timers here do.

Welcome and Good luck!

 

[silverfreak]

Yeah, stopped training....working on a new carreer path so my training took the back seat for a while.

When I was training though, my diet was a lot cleaner than right now. So, I do understand what it takes to follow a diet plan.

That being said, my metabolism is also quite fierce once training ensues...so I don't see shedding some of my extra body fat being too much of an issue. My % was a total guess however, so I'd work on monitoring it properly. the online calculators throw me a 17% for height and weight....and 11% for waist size and weight....but its also just an estimator.

I just figured that a very minimal cycle would help to boost me back on the horse in a more motivating way. 750mg/week test seems high to me (for a minimal approach) or am I wrong??

Thanks guys, please keep the comments coming!!

 

[TrenAman]

most people are very sucessful with 500mg test e or sust as a first cycle, I have 4 cycles under my belt and I have not even gone to 750mg of test yet... I would stick with 500mg to see how the body reacts, good newbie cycle.

 

[looking to lean]

dont do juice. please. not yet. post some pix of where your body is at. let the members critique your readiness for the sauce.

your goal is to gain lean muscle while losing fat? correct? sounds like a natrual route is the way for you sir. Im not trying to rain on your parade, mind you. Ive just seen far too many guys (friends) get on a cycle without any knowledge of what they were doing. not saying you know nothing, but like them, you (and myself) could probably reach your goal without the need for expensive cycles/pct/food bills.

 

[rdel85]

agreed about the bf% and diet...try fitday.com as a diet calculator to make sure your getting enough protein, carbs, fat, etc

 

[looking to lean]

This has been working for me in a great way. going to cut back to fat more in the coming months. and all natural.

Nutrition Plan - Overview
M T W Th F Sat Sun
Protein (g) 351.8 335.8 275.8 351.8 376.3 337.5 295.5
Carbs (g) 247.3 241.8 177.8 247.3 330.3 237.5 262
Fat (g) 48.5 62 65 48.5 58.5 68.5 49
Calories 2832.9 2868.4 2399.4 2832.9 3352.9 2916.5 2671


Nutrition Plan - Macro %
M T W Th F Sat Sun
Protein (%) 0.50 0.47 0.46 0.50 0.45 0.46 0.44
Carbs (%) 0.35 0.34 0.30 0.35 0.39 0.33 0.39
Fat (%) 0.15 0.19 0.24 0.15 0.16 0.21 0.17
Calories 2833 2868 2399 2833 3353 2917 2671

keep it tracked in Fitday. fantastic program/website

 

[hesnobradpitt]

agreed about the bf% and diet...try fitday.com as a diet calculator to make sure your getting enough protein, carbs, fat, etc

Agreed =1 , I've been on a lean bulk diet for 2 years and
only at 13% so yer look at diet ,you will lose some quick
weight which is a great motivator ,good luck .
Brad.

 

[looking to lean]

Agreed =1 , I've been on a lean bulk diet for 2 years and
only at 13% so yer look at diet ,you will lose some quick
weight which is a great motivator ,good luck .
Brad.

excellent advice

 

[silverfreak]

Thats why I was thinking that a winni only cycle would help me to shred up a bit.

 

[TrenAman]

read the other winny threads on this page, they can answer that question of winny only cycle.

 

[Mrpumped]

This has been working for me in a great way. going to cut back to fat more in the coming months. and all natural.

Nutrition Plan - Overview
M T W Th F Sat Sun
Protein (g) 351.8 335.8 275.8 351.8 376.3 337.5 295.5
Carbs (g) 247.3 241.8 177.8 247.3 330.3 237.5 262
Fat (g) 48.5 62 65 48.5 58.5 68.5 49
Calories 2832.9 2868.4 2399.4 2832.9 3352.9 2916.5 2671


Nutrition Plan - Macro %
M T W Th F Sat Sun
Protein (%) 0.50 0.47 0.46 0.50 0.45 0.46 0.44
Carbs (%) 0.35 0.34 0.30 0.35 0.39 0.33 0.39
Fat (%) 0.15 0.19 0.24 0.15 0.16 0.21 0.17
Calories 2833 2868 2399 2833 3353 2917 2671

keep it tracked in Fitday. fantastic program/website

This looks really good. How well are you doing with that diet lean?

You just recieved some good direction silverfreak. Getting your priorities(diet) straightened out first will definitely give you a better foundation to build from. Welcome to the boards and keep learning.

Peace.

 

[looking to lean]

~thread Hijack~ sry silver....

the diet has been great. the hardest part is living with my girl friend and my roomate. both of whom are skinny and can eat anything at anytime and not get fat. they fail to realized that even though they arent getting fat, they most definately are getting unhealthy.

they are always carbing up at night. candy and chips and pop from 7-11 at 10-11pm. I eat 6x 500cal meals through the day and have very few cravings. my diet is nice in the fact that I can cheat here and there and not pay much of a price for it.

I most certainly keep my cheating to a minimum. when I do, its not a bag of chips. its a handful at most. thats a rareity. I dont eat that crap any more. cheating for me is adding a little low fat mozza cheese to my eggs.. or something of that sort. maybe go out for a nice dinner, but still eat sensibly.

in the end.. its not a diet.. its a lifestyle change. and thats exactly what 85% of north americans need this very minute. but the government doesnt want that. they want fat, lazy, stupid people that sit in their homes and watch the propaganda tube. but now we are on another subect all together so Ill stop there.

 

[jerkbox]

I think all you need to do to hit your goals, is get your diet right....even without knowing how you eat, I'd bet it is the problem.

 

[looking to lean]

I think all you need to do to hit your goals, is get your diet right....even without knowing how you eat, I'd bet it is the problem.

ditto... probably 100% right in fact. I know that was the case for me. I knew a ton about lifting and resting and eating lots of protein...... thats where it ended tho. I could build a ton of muslce but a ton of fat along with it.

diet isnt a diet.. its a lifestyle change. and everyone does/can and will benefit from it.

 

[jerkbox]

and while i'm at it, I'll give you my 2 cents on the oral only cycle. I wouldn't do a winny only cycle, the only oral cycle I would do, would be anavar. But more importantly, as was said, what you should do is 500mg of test e/wk. Injecting once or twice a week...no big deal.

 

[al420]

Drugs don't get you shreaded - only diet does. Drugs help you maintain muscle during a caloric deficit.

That is all.

On the Test...750mg per week is fine for a first time user depending on what your labs look like. If you are starting off at a decet level maybe 500 is good, maybe 1000 is a bteer idea. W/ out labs EVERYBODY is guessing.

 

[looking to lean]

Drugs don't get you shreaded - only diet does. Drugs help you maintain muscle during a caloric deficit.

That is all.

On the Test...750mg per week is fine for a first time user depending on what your labs look like. If you are starting off at a decet level maybe 500 is good, maybe 1000 is a bteer idea. W/ out labs EVERYBODY is guessing.

by labs, you mean blood tests, I take it? and you are absolutely right. without blood tests first, you shouldnt even be looking at the sauce.

 

[silverfreak]

I really appreciate all the info everybody! I'm definitely going to get my diet back on track, its definitely not where it used to be. I am relatively familiar with the concepts of maintaining carb, fat, and protein levels vs. goal to acheive, so it shouldn't be too hard once the ball starts to roll. I was on the horse once, just fell off for a bit

I just didn't know if a low dose of gear would help to kick start.....so thanks for clarifying that! Keep posting though, I'm always down for hearing everyones opinions.

Thanks again.

 

[daveyboy2345]

400 mgs test. c or e, week 1-8
50 mgs winstrol weeks 7-12
1/4 cc liquidex daily
pct nolvadex (liquid or tabs)20 mgs day 4 weeks post cycle

maybe run an eca stack 3 weeks on 1 week off throughout you could windup with 9-12 % bf at conclusion perhaps if diet is in check