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googlepig

googlepig

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I am 5'11 180lbs, 17% bf

I want to bulk up.

OK, first of all - this isnt my 1st cycle - but since i knacked my 1st one up and got gyno due to lack of knowledge - lets just call this my 1st.......

(for info my 1st was 500mg sus /wk + 30mgdbol daily)


Okay, available to me i have: Test cyp, deca, sus250, nolvadex, dbol.
Thats it.

I still have minor gyno symptoms but am taking 20mg nolv daily for it.



Please advise what I can do, as I have read many contradicting reports.

My thoughts currently are an 8 week sus course.

Weeks 1-2 500mg Sus Weeks 3-8 250mg Sus. With Nolvadex 10mg daily starting in week 4.

I was going to do deca/sus stack but have read i might have problems with Progestorone gyno with my current problems with gyno.


PLEASE HELP!!!!
 
I would run the sust 500/wk all the way bro.don't taper the dose, and divide into two shots per week to keep blood levels stable IMO good luck bro.
 
sorry to hear about the gyno. But I would get some arimadex for that. That shit is the bomb. As fare as your next cycle goes I would do the sust 500mg a week with the deca atleast 200mg a week. Ad the cyp 3 weeks in at 200mg a week. Kick in the nolva towards the end. taper off the cycle with the cyp and keep the nolva going for 3 weeks after your last shot. I think you might have got the gyno from the d-balls. some people react bad with them. But if the gyno keep bothering you I would have it checked out. Good luck
 
am I missing something, but are you really sure you wanna bulk up and you're already @ 17%bf. I would run 250mg/wk of test for 10 wks. Cardio 5 times a week, w/ a good diet. I wouldn't go on a mass cycle starting from anything over 10%bf.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
you are sensitive to gyno, want to use dbol and test (sust) and yet i see no arimidex

read some more, come back

cheers
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Read some more? Irony is in place.

Sorry for the lil flame......

I had BEEN on Sust+Dbol and got gyno.
I cant afford Arimidex, and can only get nolvadex from my dealer.

Whoever suggested it might be Dbol that gave me gyno, i think ur probs right (since my cycle was so f*cked up i started dbol in the middle, and shortly after got gyno symptoms - probably wouldnt have got anywhere had i been able to source some nolva straight away)


So if I currently have a little gyno - and seem quite sensetive to it -

What is the reccomended cycle from the tools I have available.

BTW - many thanks to those who have posted so far!!!!
 
napolean22 said:
am I missing something, but are you really sure you wanna bulk up and you're already @ 17%bf. I would run 250mg/wk of test for 10 wks. Cardio 5 times a week, w/ a good diet. I wouldn't go on a mass cycle starting from anything over 10%bf.
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I was really surprised that I was 17%, since i appear to have VERY LITTLE bf from looking at me. My upper half is solid, and i only have a lil bit of beer fat on my belly. And my legs are like sticks.

Maybe the BF test wasnt done properly.
 
googlepig said:
Read some more? Irony is in place.

Sorry for the lil flame......

I had BEEN on Sust+Dbol and got gyno.
I cant afford Arimidex, and can only get nolvadex from my dealer.

Whoever suggested it might be Dbol that gave me gyno, i think ur probs right (since my cycle was so f*cked up i started dbol in the middle, and shortly after got gyno symptoms - probably wouldnt have got anywhere had i been able to source some nolva straight away)


So if I currently have a little gyno - and seem quite sensetive to it -

What is the reccomended cycle from the tools I have available.

BTW - many thanks to those who have posted so far!!!!
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mate, what can i say. my irony is not at all misplaced.

gyno is fairly rare. you are sensitive to it. you want to use aromatising drugs. you didnt mention arimidex, and instead talk about an anti e.

the scenario you have outlines is a recipe for a shit sandwich.

you say you cannot afford arimidex. does that mean you can afford gyno?

if you had read more you would probably (correctly) understand that arimidex or another anti aromatase is a priority.

cheers
 
Ok then - forgive my lack of understanding, GOLDEN.

And your term 'Shit Sandwich' is blunt enough for me to comprehend im about to mess up, so thanks.

Arimidex seems SO expensive, are there any other options.

And how do I implement it into my cycle, also, what should i use for my cycle.


Thanks
 
googlepig said:
Ok then - forgive my lack of understanding, GOLDEN.

And your term 'Shit Sandwich' is blunt enough for me to comprehend im about to mess up, so thanks.

Arimidex seems SO expensive, are there any other options.

And how do I implement it into my cycle, also, what should i use for my cycle.


Thanks
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Aromasin and femera are also (expensive) options. That's it for anti-aromatase. You would do best to get some blood work done to determine how well it's supressing E. Failing that, you can do some searches on each product.

At 400mg Test EW along with 12.5mg Aromasin MWF my E levels are just a bit below the normal range. At the same dosage of test and .5mg arimidex EOD I experience pain in my joints which leads me to believe that E levels were way too low. Your body will be different.
 
How do I get BLOOD WORK done ? Would I have to pay for it? just as we have NHS here in england, i dont have a private GP.
 
googlepig said:
How do I get BLOOD WORK done ? Would I have to pay for it? just as we have NHS here in england, i dont have a private GP.
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I have no idea what one would do in England. Just handover all your income and stand in some line I suppose.
 
ummm if your health scheme there is like the one in australia, you should be able to stumble into a bulk bulling doctor and request some blood tests and not pay for them at all (i didnt, and i ordered 12 tests) but really, im not sure. due to a few privacy issues, id choose a discreet doctor who isnt going to jump down your throat for AAS usage. forwarding of info can affect insurance. paying a private pathology lab might be another viable (and very private) option

if you want cheap arimidex take a look at a spanish supplier (depends on your import laws etc) but the cost in spain is 60 dollars as compared to 200 over here (given the similarities between aus and brit, i suspect the price differential will remain)

"shit sandwich" is copyrighted mate, so dont get cheeky and start using it ;)
 
Ok then so I will try to source some arimidex.

So which AAS should i use in my cycle?

Is Sus250 front loaded probably going to flare up my gyno ?
 
sustanon doesnt need frontloading, but suggesting cycles isnt my thing

if you do decide to do it be aware that given your beginner status low doses will work very well. ie in the vicinity of 250 test a week rather than the 500test plus 200 deca that i see people reccommending to newbies all the time
 
Tsk tsk, using my thread to argue about shit sandwiches and signatures.
Whatever would your mother say?

So is 250 sus gonna be enough then :??????? cheers

(and gold, did u mean take 200mg deca with the sus? just im worried about this progrestorone shit.)

Ive actually already bought some deca and sus vials, but can easily change them.
 
I'd go with one shot every 4-5 days...that should give you like ~400mg/wk or so. Also, get your hands on some anti-a, like everyone said.
 
I think there should be a 1st cycle forum, you guys must get sick of ppl asking the same god damn things all the time. I have tried to do my homework this time round, but theres so much contradiction i just dont know what to believe. I must admit, I got quite an affinity for Sustanon for some reason.
 
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