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djsf
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My stats: age: 40, 6'2" Been lifting weights for 21 years. This is my first AAS cycle.
- Before: 188-190 lbs. b.f. about 12%.
- After: 202-204 lbs. Not sure about b.f, but I'm pretty lean and vascular, with veins showing on my triceps, shoulders and chest. Prolly around 8-10%.
It all began with my experimenting with some of the hormone precursors, such as DHEA and androstendione (those convert to testosterone). I didn't get much effect, other that a little aggressive moodiness and sensitive nipples (maybe from the extra estrogen in my system). I was intrigued about the idea of something "strong" that was legal, i.e. skirting the rules. I think deep down inside I wanted to try steroids but was afraid, uninformed or not ready.
Then I discovered what for me was the "ultimate" prohoromone, the one that let me cross the line. "Trenobol" (by Novel Nutrition) is 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene 3,17 dione, 25 mg. On the label, it claims "... only two hydrogen molecules away from the potent anabolic Trenbolone, the structure of Trenonol makes extrogen and DHT conversion near impossible, which minimuzed gyno, bloating and other unwanted effects"
Interesting, something totally legal that acts just like a steroid (and a pretty good one at that). So this got me asking lots of questions: "what's Trenbolone?" "why do they recommend an off period?", etc. And that led me to my in-the-know friends and elite fitness. And the discovery began. Wow, a chance to take a precursor to Tren. Or is it crippled Tren? I wasn't sure what to call it. MY friends laughed. "Why not just take tren?" Anyhow, I tried the stuff and it worked!
It was the first time I really felt a "supplement" with major, profound effects. Boosted my confidence, strength, and will to push myself hard in the gym even through pain. It boosted my appetite, decreased my need for sleep, and I put on about 6 lbs in two weeks. Oh, and a 1-week boost in sex drive (feeling 15 again) followed by it diminishing to zero. Welcome to androgenic side effects! Lots to research.
So curious. I wonder what dose of Tren this would be equivalent to? Then I learned tren should be cycled, and that this precursor is an oral, 17-alpha alkylated chemical, so is very liver toxic. More useful safety data.
Ok, so I'm taking a pseud-steroid that is acting like a steroid. So why not just take a real steroid? So with some hand-holding from my very experienced friend, I cossed the line. Here is the cycle we designed, my first. We planned it out with ancillaries and everything. It's a relatively mild cycle, and the ancillaries are probably overkill, but I wanted to get experienced with everything.
the cycle is staggered because I started the Trenobol before adding in anavar and Stan. The Trenobol and Stan are both strictly limited-duration, though the whole cycle is a bit longer.
Weeks 1-2
- Trenobol, 50 days, 150mg ED (2x25mg 3x/day)
Starting on week 3
- Winstrol oral, 40 days, 50mg/day (2.5x10 mg 2x/day)
- Anavar, 50 days (might go longer), 30 mg/day (2x5 mg 3x/day)
Starting on week 6
- Proviron. 50mg/day (40 days max) to boost sex drive and for muscle hardness
Week 9: PCT, starting 1.5 weeks after ending the Trenobol
- Clomid, 100mg daily for 2 weeks, followed by 50mg daily for one week.
- HCG, 2000iu a day, 2 days on / one day off, for 5 doses.
- Nolvadex, 20mg a day for 7 days
- Continue taking anavar to help protect gains
I am more than happy with the results! I put on 14 lbs and made major strength gains, including new PR's in several of my lifts (especially with squats where I almost doubled mt PR, with strict form).
The only major side effects I experienced were:
- Bad liver numbers, both in the 80's. This is an all-oral cycle and it's very liver toxic. I will get retested in 6 weeks.
- No sex drive. No desire.
Nothing I was taking is aromatizing, so i experienced no acne or water retention. I stayed very lean and vascular the whole cycle.
I am now in the PCT part of the cycle, slowly regaining my sex drive. I will go off-cycle (except for maybe anavar) and stay off for several weeks. My next cycle will be liver-friendly with no orals (other than the PCT). I am currently planning a 20 day cycle based on test susp with arimidex and nolvadex as anti-estrogens, and a complete PCT regimen.
There you go. Another newbie is at it.
Many thanks to dozens of you on this board, who unknowingly educated me with your posts, and helped me make far better decisions than I would have on my own.
- DJ
- Before: 188-190 lbs. b.f. about 12%.
- After: 202-204 lbs. Not sure about b.f, but I'm pretty lean and vascular, with veins showing on my triceps, shoulders and chest. Prolly around 8-10%.
It all began with my experimenting with some of the hormone precursors, such as DHEA and androstendione (those convert to testosterone). I didn't get much effect, other that a little aggressive moodiness and sensitive nipples (maybe from the extra estrogen in my system). I was intrigued about the idea of something "strong" that was legal, i.e. skirting the rules. I think deep down inside I wanted to try steroids but was afraid, uninformed or not ready.
Then I discovered what for me was the "ultimate" prohoromone, the one that let me cross the line. "Trenobol" (by Novel Nutrition) is 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene 3,17 dione, 25 mg. On the label, it claims "... only two hydrogen molecules away from the potent anabolic Trenbolone, the structure of Trenonol makes extrogen and DHT conversion near impossible, which minimuzed gyno, bloating and other unwanted effects"
Interesting, something totally legal that acts just like a steroid (and a pretty good one at that). So this got me asking lots of questions: "what's Trenbolone?" "why do they recommend an off period?", etc. And that led me to my in-the-know friends and elite fitness. And the discovery began. Wow, a chance to take a precursor to Tren. Or is it crippled Tren? I wasn't sure what to call it. MY friends laughed. "Why not just take tren?" Anyhow, I tried the stuff and it worked!
It was the first time I really felt a "supplement" with major, profound effects. Boosted my confidence, strength, and will to push myself hard in the gym even through pain. It boosted my appetite, decreased my need for sleep, and I put on about 6 lbs in two weeks. Oh, and a 1-week boost in sex drive (feeling 15 again) followed by it diminishing to zero. Welcome to androgenic side effects! Lots to research.
So curious. I wonder what dose of Tren this would be equivalent to? Then I learned tren should be cycled, and that this precursor is an oral, 17-alpha alkylated chemical, so is very liver toxic. More useful safety data.
Ok, so I'm taking a pseud-steroid that is acting like a steroid. So why not just take a real steroid? So with some hand-holding from my very experienced friend, I cossed the line. Here is the cycle we designed, my first. We planned it out with ancillaries and everything. It's a relatively mild cycle, and the ancillaries are probably overkill, but I wanted to get experienced with everything.
the cycle is staggered because I started the Trenobol before adding in anavar and Stan. The Trenobol and Stan are both strictly limited-duration, though the whole cycle is a bit longer.
Weeks 1-2
- Trenobol, 50 days, 150mg ED (2x25mg 3x/day)
Starting on week 3
- Winstrol oral, 40 days, 50mg/day (2.5x10 mg 2x/day)
- Anavar, 50 days (might go longer), 30 mg/day (2x5 mg 3x/day)
Starting on week 6
- Proviron. 50mg/day (40 days max) to boost sex drive and for muscle hardness
Week 9: PCT, starting 1.5 weeks after ending the Trenobol
- Clomid, 100mg daily for 2 weeks, followed by 50mg daily for one week.
- HCG, 2000iu a day, 2 days on / one day off, for 5 doses.
- Nolvadex, 20mg a day for 7 days
- Continue taking anavar to help protect gains
I am more than happy with the results! I put on 14 lbs and made major strength gains, including new PR's in several of my lifts (especially with squats where I almost doubled mt PR, with strict form).
The only major side effects I experienced were:
- Bad liver numbers, both in the 80's. This is an all-oral cycle and it's very liver toxic. I will get retested in 6 weeks.
- No sex drive. No desire.
Nothing I was taking is aromatizing, so i experienced no acne or water retention. I stayed very lean and vascular the whole cycle.
I am now in the PCT part of the cycle, slowly regaining my sex drive. I will go off-cycle (except for maybe anavar) and stay off for several weeks. My next cycle will be liver-friendly with no orals (other than the PCT). I am currently planning a 20 day cycle based on test susp with arimidex and nolvadex as anti-estrogens, and a complete PCT regimen.
There you go. Another newbie is at it.
Many thanks to dozens of you on this board, who unknowingly educated me with your posts, and helped me make far better decisions than I would have on my own.
- DJ
