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[RAGNAR61]

I AM PLANNING ON RUNNING A 12 WEEK CYCLE OF D-BOL, TEST PROPINATE, SUST 250 AND WINSTRAW.
D-BOL- 40MG 7 WKS.
PROP. 350-400 12 WKS.
SUST- 6 WKS.
WINSTRAW- 30MG 6 WKS.
RIGHT NOW I AM 6'3 AND I WEIGH 300 LBS. I HAVE NEVER USED ANYTHING BEFORE. WHAT CAN I LOOK TO GAIN.
ANY SUGESTIONS WOULD BE APRECIATED.

 

[lamp24]

alright i think you may need to do some research on anti-estrogens, and post cycle recovery.....unless you didnt post them......and what exactly is winstraw???

 

[Diabolical]

I AM PLANNING ON RUNNING A 12 WEEK CYCLE OF D-BOL, TEST PROPINATE, SUST 250 AND WINSTRAW.
D-BOL- 40MG 7 WKS.
PROP. 350-400 12 WKS.
SUST- 6 WKS.
WINSTRAW- 30MG 6 WKS.
RIGHT NOW I AM 6'3 AND I WEIGH 300 LBS. I HAVE NEVER USED ANYTHING BEFORE. WHAT CAN I LOOK TO GAIN.
ANY SUGESTIONS WOULD BE APRECIATED.

Bro, no offense, but you have no idea on how to cycle.

Stick around the boards for a while to learn about gyno, cycling, anti-e's, diet, and the many other aspects of AAS use.

You could use the search function on these subjects aswell.

BYW, incase you didnt know, Gyno is Bitch-Tits and I dont think that you want those.

So for your own sake, RESEARCH!

And I think you mean Winstrol.

-Dr. D

 

[RAGNAR61]

I HAVE LIQUIDEX AND I ALSO HAVE CLOMID. TRUE I HAVE NEVER CYCLED BUT I HAVE A FIREND WHO IS HELPING ME OUT. HE IS PRETTY SMART. QWHAT ARE YOUR SUGGETIONS ON POST-CYCLE AND LIQUIDEX AND CLOMID USE. I NEED TO BE READY FOR FOOTBALL TRAINING CAMP ABOUT 2 WEEKS AFTER MY CYCLE IS OVER.

 

[satchboogie]

dude...

you're complicating things. you weight 300 pounds so you would need a higher dosage than a 200 pounds newbie. simplify your cycle as follows:

sustanon: 500mg a week (frontload 1000mg a week first 2 weeks)
anadrol: 50-100mg a day for first 4 weeks.

 

[Diabolical]

I HAVE LIQUIDEX AND I ALSO HAVE CLOMID. TRUE I HAVE NEVER CYCLED BUT I HAVE A FIREND WHO IS HELPING ME OUT. HE IS PRETTY SMART. QWHAT ARE YOUR SUGGETIONS ON POST-CYCLE AND LIQUIDEX AND CLOMID USE. I NEED TO BE READY FOR FOOTBALL TRAINING CAMP ABOUT 2 WEEKS AFTER MY CYCLE IS OVER.

First thing, turn of the caps bro.

Start clomid 3 weeks after last shot.
I would run liquidex all the way through at .5 mg ED.

This is how I run my clomid:

Day 1: 300mg.
Day 2-11: 150mg.
Day 11-20: 50mg.

But everyone recovers differently, you can tweak it to fit you.
A usual indicator of your natural test being back up is getting your sex drive back.

You should hit the cardio weighing in at 300, unless you would like to keep that weight for football (O or D line?)

 

[jc21]

this is gonna be your first cycle right?

 

[RAGNAR61]

this will be my first cycle and I play o-line

 

[DaddyX]

this is unbelievable. Did i read winstraw LOL. 12 wks of prop for a newbie,eod pokes- yikes. your cycle is embarassing to say the least. do us all a favor and do some more extensive research before u get hurt. And your friend does'nt know anything if he helped you out. do this - sus for 10 wks @500mg and 25 mg dbol for 4 wks. peace

 

[jc21]

are you gonna get tested?

 

[jubei]

LMAO @ winstraw. "My friend is really smart"-not if he suggest that cycle.

 

[doublebicep]

I HAVE LIQUIDEX AND I ALSO HAVE CLOMID. TRUE I HAVE NEVER CYCLED BUT I HAVE A FIREND WHO IS HELPING ME OUT. HE IS PRETTY SMART. QWHAT ARE YOUR SUGGETIONS ON POST-CYCLE AND LIQUIDEX AND CLOMID USE. I NEED TO BE READY FOR FOOTBALL TRAINING CAMP ABOUT 2 WEEKS AFTER MY CYCLE IS OVER.

Why are you yelling? Take the caps off. Posting in all caps is hard for others to read, considered yelling - rude, and is just plain lazy.

Good questions, in fact, they have already been answered 1000's of times. Just use the Search feature:

Answers to all of your questions.

You may have more questions after doing some basic research. The bros on this board are very helpful, esp to some one who is making a sincere effort to educate themselves.

 

[Diabolical]

LMAO @ winstraw. "My friend is really smart"-not if he suggest that cycle.

LMAO.....

You guys are all idiots. If you dont know what winstraw is then I will give yall the complete definition.

Winstraw(n.)- an anabolic compound made by mixing Winstrol and goat piss. Winstraw can be formed by taking your Winstrol and letting your goat ingest it, then wait exactly 3 pisses later (to let him digest it) then proceed to milk your goat.
Once milked you have the most powerful AAS on the market (or in the toilet for that matter)
Proceed to dose at 1cc EOD as it will be a 50/50 blend of piss and winny.

I belive this is what Lee left out of that article I just read.
It is the IFBB secret....

 

[DaddyX]

is this officially in the EF hall of shame WINSTRAW - im still laughing. smart friend indeed

 

[RAGNAR61]

for those of you who think this is silly and my friend is an idiot then explain to me why he has gained 40 lbs, in 5 weeks on the same cycle, and he is dominating on the field. Oh and im sorry im not a spelling bee champ. WINSTROL!

 

[Diabolical]

for those of you who think this is silly and my friend is an idiot then explain to me why he has gained 40 lbs, in 5 weeks on the same cycle, and he is dominating on the field. Oh and im sorry im not a spelling bee champ. WINSTROL!

Relax bro..we are just messin with ya.

And I doubt he has gained 40lbs. in 5 weeks. As the human body can only gain so much weight in a given time.
If so then it definitely isnt all muscle.

We arent calling you or your bro an idiot, we are just pulling your chain....you kinda have to get used to us BS'ers around here.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, I would suggest using Test Enanthate or Cyp over Sust for a first cycle because the Prop wont be used to its full advantage unless injected EOD.

Other than that, I give you props, as you are one of the only newbs to know about PCT.

And Satchboogie said to run drol.....I dont think drol is good for a first cycle, due to its high toxicity.

If you use an oral, throw some dbol in there for the first 4-6 wekks at 35mg. ED

So here is what I have so far:

1-12 Test E or C 500mg./week
1-6 dbol 35mg. ED

And the usual PCT.

-Dr. D

 

[Diabolical]

Also, get some Tyler's liver detox or some milk thistle to protect your liver while running the dbol.

BTW, what level of ball are you playing???

I hope you arent still in highschool.
AAS abd youngsters do not mix well.

-Dr. D

 

[RADAR1]

LOL~!!!!! Its that time of year again! Winstraw.......BWAHHHHHH!!!


RADAR

 

[RAGNAR61]

thanks for the info diabolical, i play college ball and this will be my senior year so I want to maximize my potential becasue I want to play proffesional after college. Your suggestions are greatly apprecfiated and all these others fools are just jealous that they can't weigh 300 lbs. naturally like I do and only have 23 % body fat!

 

[Diabolical]

thanks for the info diabolical, i play college ball and this will be my senior year so I want to maximize my potential becasue I want to play proffesional after college. Your suggestions are greatly apprecfiated and all these others fools are just jealous that they can't weigh 300 lbs. naturally like I do and only have 23 % body fat!

Damn bro, if you ever cut that BF% down... you could be a monster on stage.

You must have some good genetics

Keep us posted on how the cycle goes bro.

-Dr. D

 

[jubei]

23 percent bodyfat...ONLY?? You have 69 lbs. of fat on your frame. I really wouldn't be yelling about that, and I doubt too many are jealous of that either. There is no way your friend kept 40lbs of muscle from 5 weeks. He may have gained 20lbs. of water 10lbs. of fat and 10lbs. of muscle in 5 weeks, but no better than that, at least not by much. I think he was on a fried chicken and winstraw diet.

 

[RAGNAR61]

diabolical, what are some suggestions on how high I should run my sust and propinate. i have heard different things becasue I am so big. All i have for this cycle is prop. sust, dbol, winny, liquidex, and clomid. I have plenty of these things to do whatever but i don't have time to get anyhting else. I want to maximize this cycle becase it will probally be my only one. thanks

 

[DaddyX]

you think we are jelous cause we are not a fat ass like you. forget gear, go on a diet bro. 23%body fat is obese. we are not the idiots that said winstraw bud

 

[jc21]

ok well the 23% bodyfat comment is dumb, cause i would never be jelous of someone like that.

but here is my question again....are you gonna get tested?

 

[Diabolical]

Tell me the exact amount you have of each, so I see what you have to work with.

I am sure we can fix something up for ya.

-Dr. D

 

[stockked]

I AM PLANNING ON RUNNING A 12 WEEK CYCLE OF D-BOL, TEST PROPINATE, SUST 250 AND WINSTRAW.
D-BOL- 40MG 7 WKS.
PROP. 350-400 12 WKS.
SUST- 6 WKS.
WINSTRAW- 30MG 6 WKS.
RIGHT NOW I AM 6'3 AND I WEIGH 300 LBS. I HAVE NEVER USED ANYTHING BEFORE. WHAT CAN I LOOK TO GAIN.
ANY SUGESTIONS WOULD BE APRECIATED.

RUN THE SOS EOD FOR 2 MONTHS OR 6 WEEKS WITH PROP,TRY TO GET SOME FINA FOR PRACTICE GAMES,RUN THAT EOD AT 150MGS SHOULD MAKE YOU AGGRESSIVE OR A ANIMAL

 

[Diabolical]

Re: Re: New User

RUN THE SOS EOD FOR 2 MONTHS OR 6 WEEKS WITH PROP,TRY TO GET SOME FINA FOR PRACTICE GAMES,RUN THAT EOD AT 150MGS SHOULD MAKE YOU AGGRESSIVE OR A ANIMAL

Trust me, no Fina for a first cycle bro.

To many sides, considering you dont even know how you react to gear yet.
Ill await your answer on exact amount of your gear, then Ill see what I can do.

-Dr. D

 

[Diabolical]

Re: Re: New User

RUN THE SOS EOD FOR 2 MONTHS OR 6 WEEKS WITH PROP,TRY TO GET SOME FINA FOR PRACTICE GAMES,RUN THAT EOD AT 150MGS SHOULD MAKE YOU AGGRESSIVE OR A ANIMAL

BTW, dont give bad advice bro.

Not flaming, but if you have ever run Fina you would know that.....
Fina=shortness of breath, making it hard to run for an extended period.

Doesnt sound like a good mix with football to me.

-Dr. D

 

[REDMACHINE]

How many ml/mg's do you have of what.. Im sure these guys will figure something out for ya.

RED

 

[tiger88]

hey diabolical i loved the defeniton of "winstraw" i am still laughing.....much KARMA TO U! and bro if u playing D1 ball they will do random drug tests so pick juice that clears out quick and also the drug tests are not always for sauce mainly weed and other rec. drugs..

 

[sucker for supplements]

dude...

you're complicating things. you weight 300 pounds so you would need a higher dosage than a 200 pounds newbie. simplify your cycle as follows:

sustanon: 500mg a week (frontload 1000mg a week first 2 weeks)
anadrol: 50-100mg a day for first 4 weeks.

im on exactly this as we speak.

a "no bullshit" cycle.