New tren cycle

[bigbox]

I'm trying to put together my second cycle, and wanting to implement some tren into this one!! So far I'm thinking tren and sustanon, followed up with primo. Any suggestions at all?? For the most part I need to figure out what dosage to take. It's still all in the planning phase, so I'm looking for advice more than anything!!

 

[xrsist]

what was your first cycle? whats your stats?

 

[bigbox]

Ok when I first started I was 21.5%bf I believe. I dieted and did an assload of cardio and dropped down to 18% before starting my first cycle. When I started I was 215 pounds. Here is my first cycle.

wk 1-10 300mg TEST Cyp
wk 1-10 400mg EQ
wk 8-10 50mg/day VAR
wk 3,4,9,10- HCG 500IU daily
PCT-
wk 1-12 .5mg armidex/daily
wk 10-12 Dermacrine sustain

At the end of the cycle I actually cut down to 205 and 16.5%bf, which is the lowest it's ever been, including the military. I also kept the strength that I had while on. I tweaked my diet a bit and started dermatherm, now I'm 195 and 15%bf. I've hit a plateu now though and can't seem to get any lower at all. Also, I am very prone to gyno, and one of the big reasons I want to try tren and primo so bad is to get below the 15% without the gyno. the sust is mostly for the libido!!

 

[holy ghost]

hmm

are you trying to cut

i like the

testp/mast/tren/prov/winny stack

may be a littttttle advanced for a 2nd cycle bud.

 

[_n8o_]

sorry to high jack this thread but is it a good idea not to run much for the first few cycles to get your body "used to" gear or is it because if more was used the same gains would get gotten with a smaller amount of compounds?

 

[njmuscleguy]

At the end of the cycle I actually cut down to 205 and 16.5%bf, which is the lowest it's ever been, including the military. I also kept the strength that I had while on. I tweaked my diet a bit and started dermatherm, now I'm 195 and 15%bf. I've hit a plateu now though and can't seem to get any lower at all. Also, I am very prone to gynecomastia, and one of the big reasons I want to try trenbolone and Primobolan - methenolone - so bad is to get below the 15% without the gynecomastia. the Sustanon is mostly for the libido!!

Dude, if you're very prone to gyno, then stay away from tren and also be careful with highly-aromatizing compounds. A test & tren cycle could be disastrous for you. You might want to stick with stuff like pri-mo, E Q, t-bol, etc.

 

[needtogetaas]

Ok when I first started I was 21.5%bf I believe. I dieted and did an assload of cardio and dropped down to 18% before starting my first cycle. When I started I was 215 pounds. Here is my first cycle.

wk 1-10 300mg TEST testosterone cypionate
wk 1-10 400mg Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate -
wk 8-10 50mg/day Anavar - oxandrolone -
wk 3,4,9,10- HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 500IU daily
PCT - post cycle therapy - -
wk 1-12 .5mg armidex/daily
wk 10-12 Dermacrine sustain

At the end of the cycle I actually cut down to 205 and 16.5%bf, which is the lowest it's ever been, including the military. I also kept the strength that I had while on. I tweaked my diet a bit and started dermatherm, now I'm 195 and 15%bf. I've hit a plateu now though and can't seem to get any lower at all. Also, I am very prone to gynecomastia, and one of the big reasons I want to try trenbolone and Primobolan - methenolone - so bad is to get below the 15% without the gynecomastia. the Sustanon is mostly for the libido!!

500ui's hcg every week is what you should have don

and dermacrin sustain for 4 weeks for pct...

 

[bigbox]

Dude, if you're very prone to gynecomastia, then stay away from trenbolone and also be careful with highly-aromatizing compounds. A test & trenbolone cycle could be disastrous for you. You might want to stick with stuff like pri-mo, E Q, t-bol, etc.

I thought tren was somewhat safe for gyno. I was wanting to cut a bit more then hit another mass cycle next time around!!

 

[xrsist]

Ok when I first started I was 21.5%bf I believe. I dieted and did an assload of cardio and dropped down to 18% before starting my first cycle. When I started I was 215 pounds. Here is my first cycle.

wk 1-10 300mg TEST testosterone cypionate
wk 1-10 400mg Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate -
wk 8-10 50mg/day Anavar - oxandrolone -
wk 3,4,9,10- HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 500IU daily
PCT - post cycle therapy - -
wk 1-12 .5mg armidex/daily
wk 10-12 Dermacrine sustain

At the end of the cycle I actually cut down to 205 and 16.5%bf, which is the lowest it's ever been, including the military. I also kept the strength that I had while on. I tweaked my diet a bit and started dermatherm, now I'm 195 and 15%bf. I've hit a plateu now though and can't seem to get any lower at all. Also, I am very prone to gynecomastia, and one of the big reasons I want to try trenbolone and Primobolan - methenolone - so bad is to get below the 15% without the gynecomastia. the Sustanon is mostly for the libido!!

waste of eq imo also waste of var imo. are you saying you ran 500iu of hcg ed on weeks 3,4,9,10?

 

[goku_kakarot77]

hmm

are you trying to cut

i like the

testp/mast/trenbolone/Proviron - mesterolone - /Winstrol - stanozolol stack

may be a littttttle advanced for a 2nd cycle bud.

cant argue with that cutter its awesome

 

[Selene]

500ui's HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - every week is what you should have don

and dermacrin sustain for 4 weeks for PCT - post cycle therapy - ...

very good advise as always

 

[boston789]

I thought trenbolone was somewhat safe for gynecomastia. I was wanting to cut a bit more then hit another mass cycle next time around!!

God no. Tren gives me gyno everytime.

 

[njmuscleguy]

though tren doesn't aromatize, it can definitely cause (progestin-related) gyno

 

[EtchedfromMarble]

though trenbolone doesn't aromatize, it can definitely cause (progestin-related) gynecomastia

And on that note, isn't gyno from aromitizing gear (ie test) easier to deal with (through anti e's) than progestagenic gyno?

 

[bigbox]

waste of Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - imo also waste of Anavar - oxandrolone - imo. are you saying you ran 500iu of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - ed on weeks 3,4,9,10?

The var was mostly to get a jump start. Yeah, I ran 500iu HCG ed on those weeks. Guess I should've ran 500iu a week throughout.

 

[xrsist]

yer no wonder you had gyno problems on your last cycle bro, excessive use of hcg can cause gyno

 

[njmuscleguy]

And on that note, isn't gynecomastia from aromitizing gear (ie test) easier to deal with (through anti e's) than progestagenic gynecomastia?

I guess you can say that... everyone reacts differently... progestagenic gyno however is thought to be affected by estrogen also...as well as prolactin... so if you curb the estrogen with an AI... and prolactin with something like dostinex, you just might resolve the issue altogether

 

[st8grad]

Why run something like masteron in a cutter if the person is 15%bf? Even the winny might be a waste.

My point is that it would be an expensive cycle and using mast and winny are add ons that he might not fully benefit from being 15%.

If you just do a cutter go with the propionate/boledenone/trenbolone combo and keep busting ass. Your primary goal is to hang onto muscle and that will work very effectively for that. The trenbolone can help with the fat cutting so they say. I would have to agree based on personal experience as well.

Once you are a 10% or below guy. Then adding in the winny and masteron would be awesome. But again, being second cycle, the three compounds are plenty.