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[rybeezy21]

Hey everyone,

First time posting here. I am debating running my first cycle. I have been training for about 5 years. I would say I have a naturally slender build but have been able through diet and hard training to put on some solid muscle. I am currently 6'2 between 207-210. I would like to add around 15 pounds, and I would like to keep as much of it as possible, and from what I have read would be possible with a stack of the following two. I would also like to run something that would allow me to make gradual solid muscle gains, and limit water retention. Reasoning behind not wanting to get big quick has to do with my career.

Through a bit of research here is what I am thinking about running.

8 weeks of Equipoise @ 600mg/week first 3 weeks.. 400mg/week for last 5
8 weeks Winstrol 50mg of tabs per day.

I would really appreciate feedback from anyone out there. Thanks

 

[GUARDIAN]

too short for equipoise
i dont see any test
too long for winstrol

we got some work to do

 

[hehateme000]

how old are you? anyway, from what i have read, your not gonna want to run eq for less that 14-16 weeks, because thats when its full effects come in.

for a first cycle, u should do test for 10-12 weeks. 250-500mg EW, with some HCG from week 3 on till PCT so u dont have ur nuts shrink. To minimize bloat you could take proviron 50mg ED during ur cycle (also raises libido) or get some arimidex (expensive but way stronger). clomid and nolva at the end would be just fine and u should gain 10-15 lbs if ur diet and training are solid.

 

[rybeezy21]

Damn you guys are quick, this is the shit.

I am 24. I was hesitant in researching test because I know a ton a people who have had serious problems with it, probably because it was taken with little or no research. But have def. been reading it needs to be a staple of a solid cycle. I wanted to throw out my initial thoughts to see if I could get by w/o it but guess not.

How many weeks with the Winny would be optimal @ 50mgs daily?

I also have read that equipoise should be used for no less than 12 weeks to see best results, but again I was trying to see if I could half ass I guess.

Dieting and training won't be a problem, I know my way around a gym, I wouldn't consider myself a fly by night dick thinking 3 weeks of gear would turn me into ronnie. But then again I'm obviously not an expert.

thanks much guys.

 

[chris69]

how old are you? anyway, from what i have read, your not gonna want to run Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - for less that 14-16 weeks, because thats when its full effects come in.

for a first cycle, u should do test for 10-12 weeks. 250-500mg EW, with some HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - from week 3 on till PCT - post cycle therapy - so u dont have ur nuts shrink. To minimize bloat you could take proviron 50mg ED during ur cycle (also raises libido) or get some arimidex (expensive but way stronger). clomid and Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - at the end would be just fine and u should gain 10-15 lbs if ur diet and training are solid.

Quick and easy... wk1-4 ,30mg dianabol ed,wk1-10 Sustonon 250 @ 500mg wk .2 inj.. i don't run Hcg myself..i run clomid/nolva for 30 days
wks13-17 clomid 50 mg /nolva 20mg... Simple cycle..great first for me.
When get some GYno i run Nolva 40mg firstday, and 20mg until cleared up.

 

[GUARDIAN]

Damn you guys are quick, this is the shit.

I am 24. I was hesitant in researching test because I know a ton a people who have had serious problems with it, probably because it was taken with little or no research. But have def. been reading it needs to be a staple of a solid cycle. I wanted to throw out my initial thoughts to see if I could get by w/o it but guess not.

How many weeks with the Winstrol - stanozolol would be optimal @ 50mgs daily?

I also have read that equipoise should be used for no less than 12 weeks to see best results, but again I was trying to see if I could half ass I guess.

Dieting and training won't be a problem, I know my way around a gym, I wouldn't consider myself a fly by night dick thinking 3 weeks of gear would turn me into ronnie. But then again I'm obviously not an expert.

thanks much guys.

what kind of problems? gyno? acne? recovery?

typically 6. will 2 extra weeks kill ya, probably not but it is hard on the liver.

 

[rybeezy21]

gynecomastia and acne. also had a friend who started getting infections near injection sites while using test prop.

Would it be better to inject winny, Ive read it only passes through your liver once that way.

 

[chris69]

gynecomastia and acne. also had a friend who started getting infections near injection sites while using test testosterone propionate.

Would it be better to inject Winstrol - stanozolol, Ive read it only passes through your liver once that way.

Ofcourse orals are worse, but thats what cycling is about..do it correct you'll be fine ! Maybe even the next GOV of Cali !

 

[eddymerckx]

the stories about side effects of test are generally bs--or based on high doses for stupid periods of time by 18 year-olds. many of the other gear will give you much worse sides...test, it does a body good.

 

[Pumpdup]

For a first cycle its usually best to pick a single ester test so you can see how your body reacts to it.

testosterone enanthate 500mg 2 shots per week is a good first time cycle 11-13 days after last injection start PCT - post cycle therapy - of novla 40/40/20/20.

Some choose to use an oral to jump start their cycle Dianabol - methandrostenolone - for the first 4 weeks at 30-40mg ED would do the job.

Male pattern baldness - are you prone?
Also if bloat is a concern consider an aromatase inhibitor - just know this will hinder gains.

For more gradual gains consider Test Prop shot EOD due to the shorter ester 100-125mg. If you want an Oral look into Anavar but if you dont homebrew it, its very pricey.

 

[rybeezy21]

not prone to male pattern baldness.

looks like injections with most test are more than one a week, what are the best injection sites to hit...how many times in a week can you inject at one site

 

[safety4lyfe]

you could do 1 test injection of enthenate or cypoinate a week at 400 maybe even 500mg/wk for first cycle. if you did do 2 it would just be 250mg x2 right. the reason most people on the board (and i agree also) is to keep your body in balance so its not like a roller coaster right. your ass is the best place, you can inject the most into it and it absorbs it better than any other place. the only problem is when its done wrong, you could fuck yourself up. research injections at www.howtodoinjections.com

 

[GUARDIAN]

gynecomastia and acne. also had a friend who started getting infections near injection sites while using test testosterone propionate.

Would it be better to inject Winstrol - stanozolol, Ive read it only passes through your liver once that way.

acne & most gyno is controllable. but if gyno is major concern then use primo.

infections r most likely from unsterile injection practices or dirty ug gear.

describe the infections please.

better to inject winstrol though the shots can be painful.

 

[chris69]

you could do 1 test injection of enthenate or cypoinate a week at 400 maybe even 500mg/wk for first cycle. if you did do 2 it would just be 250mg x2 right. the reason most people on the board (and i agree also) is to keep your body in balance so its not like a roller coaster right. your ass is the best place, you can inject the most into it and it absorbs it better than any other place. the only problem is when its done wrong, you could fuck yourself up. research injections at www.howtodoinjections.com

Did you really just answer a question with a question ?

 

[jumpmaster82]

run the eq for no less than 14 weeks. I definitely suggest running some test, you say your afraid of the sides. But most of the bad ones can be controlled with anti a or es. Winstrol for 8 weeks is a little much, go with six bro.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

gynecomastia and acne. also had a friend who started getting infections near injection sites while using test testosterone propionate.

That wasn't happening because it was test p. That was happening because he wasn't being steril enough when he was doing the injections. It can happen with any compound not just test p. But if you are careful it won't happen: i.e. never touch the pin, clean the top of the vial off with alcohol pad, clean the injection site with alcohol pad (remember alcohol is your friend), and ALWAYS wash your hands before you start preparing everything just to be safe. A good site for pics and instructions is spotinjections.com

As far as where to do it, when I cycle I either just use my glutes or I cycle between glutes and the side of my thighs depending on number of shots a week.

 

[Trendsetter21]

Depending on your age and since this is your first cycle you should probably take eq 400mg a week 1-16 if you can (most people say you don't get the full effect unless you use it at least for 12-14 weeks) And take the winny last six weeks of the cycle. Thats my opinion though.

 

[Cal_21]

Damn you guys are quick, this is the shit.

I am 24. I was hesitant in researching test because I know a ton a people who have had serious problems with it, probably because it was taken with little or no research. But have def. been reading it needs to be a staple of a solid cycle. I wanted to throw out my initial thoughts to see if I could get by w/o it but guess not.

How many weeks with the Winstrol - stanozolol would be optimal @ 50mgs daily?

I also have read that equipoise should be used for no less than 12 weeks to see best results, but again I was trying to see if I could half ass I guess.

Dieting and training won't be a problem, I know my way around a gym, I wouldn't consider myself a fly by night dick thinking 3 weeks of gear would turn me into ronnie. But then again I'm obviously not an expert.

thanks much guys.

Drop this outlook before you think about putting the gear in your body.

 

[theblondebomber]

run the Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - for no less than 14 weeks. I definitely suggest running some test, you say your afraid of the sides. But most of the bad ones can be controlled with anti a or es. Winstrol for 8 weeks is a little much, go with six bro.

When I take test. i get these really bad side effects.My biceps swell up as well as all my other muscles.I get this insane desire to train my ass off and can cant pass by a mirror without flexing.anyone else experience this?

 

[Cal_21]

When I take test. i get these really bad side effects.My biceps swell up as well as all my other muscles.I get this insane desire to train my ass off and can cant pass by a mirror without flexing.anyone else experience this?

LOL!!!