New to forum....my first cycle!

[flight815]

Been on this site for over a month gathering as much research as I can before I begin this cycle.

Stats: 23 yrs old. 6'4" 210lb 18% bf.

Looking to build lean muscle and lose fat. I already got a case of pubertal gyno so that's my main concern going into this cycle.

Beastdrol 20-20-30-30 (Week1-4)
Arimidex .5 EOD (Week 1-4)
Forma Stanzol 5 pumps ED (Week 2-8)
Creatine 5g ED
Milk Thistle liver support (1-4)
S4 (Week 4-8)
Nolva 20-20-10-10 (week 5-8)

Anything stand out from this cycle? Suggestions? I really just wanna increase strength without getting bitch tits.

 

[flight815]

2 days in to this...just wondering if this cycle looks g2g. Its my first cycle and I don't wanna screw it up. I've done my research but I can always welcome more advice

 

[dylangemelli]

Been on this site for over a month gathering as much research as I can before I begin this cycle.

Stats: 23 yrs old. 6'4" 210lb 18% bf.

Looking to build lean muscle and lose fat. I already got a case of pubertal gyno so that's my main concern going into this cycle.

Beastdrol 20-20-30-30 (Week1-4)
Arimidex .5 EOD (Week 1-4)
Forma Stanzol 5 pumps ED (Week 2-8)
Creatine 5g ED
Milk Thistle liver support (1-4)
S4 (Week 4-8)
Nolva 20-20-10-10 (week 5-8)

Anything stand out from this cycle? Suggestions? I really just wanna increase strength without getting bitch tits.

bro, this is pretty much a disaster... you NEVER run s4 in pct... nolva is shit... your running two ai's together on a cycle where the main component does not even convert to estrogen... if you want to run arimidex on cycle, then that's fine but i would really just start forma week 3 and run it through pct.. you don't need arimidex on this cycle...you should run hcgenerate alongside beast to help prevent too much shutdown because beast will definitely shut you down... your pct is terrible... you need to lose the nolva... run

clomid 25/25/25/25
unleashed/post cycle combo
forma stanzol

 

[oxymoron]

I don't see how guys can honestly say they've been researching and then they propose a nolva + s4 pct.


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[flight815]

bro, this is pretty much a disaster... you NEVER run s4 in pct... nolva is shit... your running two ai's together on a cycle where the main component does not even convert to estrogen... if you want to run arimidex on cycle, then that's fine but i would really just start forma week 3 and run it through pct.. you don't need arimidex on this cycle...you should run hcgenerate alongside beast to help prevent too much shutdown because beast will definitely shut you down... your pct is terrible... you need to lose the nolva... run

clomid 25/25/25/25
unleashed/post cycle combo
forma stanzol

Wow thanks for the heads up! My pct wasn't set in stone. Just wanted to kickstart the cycle and go from there.

Reason why I want to run an AI throughout the cycle is because I know I'm really prone to gyno. So adex and forma will hopefully fight that off. I'd sacrifice what gains I would lose to keep gyno at bay.

But changing nolva for clomid and unleashed for a pct. But don't use S4? I heard its a good bridge in between pct.

 

[Texas Monster]

You just needed sound diet and proper training. At 18% body fat you cannot try to tell me other wise.

Listen to dylan before you hurt yourself.

Build the BASE FIRST!
(*&(*&SD(*F&SD(F*&SDF(*7

 

[stevesmi]

Dyaln hit the nail on the head. you don't need any AI's with beast.. it doesn't aromatize. you said you were on here doing research for a month, where does it say anywhere to run an AI with beastdrol? you need estrogen on a cycle to build muscle, you are pretty much killing it off for no reason.

also the fact you said "i want to lose fat and gain lean muscle" is evidence you are far below your genetic potential. when people juice its to blast them to another level whether it be strength wise or mass wise and break through barriers they would never be able to break before. can you honestly say with your stats you have come close to your peak levels?

based on your goals you don't need hormones at all.. you just need like oxy said, a simple improvement to your diet and dedication to the gym with cardio. thats about it. once you get that nailed down maybe in another 2 or 3 years then you can worry about juicing. you are still very young. now realistically i don't expect you to stop what you are doing, but i will tell you straight up whatever strength gains you get will be gone afterwards if you go back to what you have been doing up to now. if you keep killing it you have a chance to build on your gains, but the danger becomes becoming dependent on steroids to make gains.. seen too many guys juice once or twice then quit on the gym altogether because they never liked working out in the first place. its all about LIFESTYLE changes

 

[dylangemelli]

Dyaln hit the nail on the head. you don't need any AI's with beast.. it doesn't aromatize. you said you were on here doing research for a month, where does it say anywhere to run an AI with beastdrol? you need estrogen on a cycle to build muscle, you are pretty much killing it off for no reason.

also the fact you said "i want to lose fat and gain lean muscle" is evidence you are far below your genetic potential. when people juice its to blast them to another level whether it be strength wise or mass wise and break through barriers they would never be able to break before. can you honestly say with your stats you have come close to your peak levels?

based on your goals you don't need hormones at all.. you just need like oxy said, a simple improvement to your diet and dedication to the gym with cardio. thats about it. once you get that nailed down maybe in another 2 or 3 years then you can worry about juicing. you are still very young. now realistically i don't expect you to stop what you are doing, but i will tell you straight up whatever strength gains you get will be gone afterwards if you go back to what you have been doing up to now. if you keep killing it you have a chance to build on your gains, but the danger becomes becoming dependent on steroids to make gains.. seen too many guys juice once or twice then quit on the gym altogether because they never liked working out in the first place. its all about LIFESTYLE changes

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ excellent advice from steve here...

also... yes s4 is great as a bridge IN BETWEEN cycles but you had it listed in your pct... that is not a bridge... thats your pct and you never run s4 in your pct... im not trying to be a dick at all because you seem like a good dude, but bro, you really aren't ready for this for many reasons... your need to get in better shape and need to do more research... and that's fine... at least you came and asked and found out... get yourself better prepared so you can get max results from your cycle...

 

[LiquidPhire]

bro, this is pretty much a disaster... you NEVER run s4 in pct... nolva is shit... your running two ai's together on a cycle where the main component does not even convert to estrogen... if you want to run arimidex on cycle, then that's fine but i would really just start forma week 3 and run it through pct.. you don't need arimidex on this cycle...you should run hcgenerate alongside beast to help prevent too much shutdown because beast will definitely shut you down... your pct is terrible... you need to lose the nolva... run

clomid 25/25/25/25
unleashed/post cycle combo
forma stanzol

This.

 

[flight815]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ excellent advice from steve here...

also... yes s4 is great as a bridge IN BETWEEN cycles but you had it listed in your pct... that is not a bridge... thats your pct and you never run s4 in your pct... im not trying to be a dick at all because you seem like a good dude, but bro, you really aren't ready for this for many reasons... your need to get in better shape and need to do more research... and that's fine... at least you came and asked and found out... get yourself better prepared so you can get max results from your cycle...

thank u guys for giving the time to inform a beginner like me. I thought I had the perfect cycle but little did I know. Oh and I'm not 18% bf...actually 12%. Idk why I put 18.

Revised cycle

Beastdrol 20-20-30-30 (Week 1-4)
Arimidex .25 (Week 3-4) *only if gyno flare up*
Forma Stanzol 5 pumps ED (Week 2-4)
Creatine 5g ED
Milk Thistle liver support (1-4)

pct
clomid 25/25/25/25 (week 5-8)
Unleashed/post cycle combo (week 5-8)
forma stanzol 6-8 pumps (week 5-8)

bridge
Sarms s4 (week 9-12)
adex .25 (week 9-12)
creatine 5g ED

does this look better? It's probably still horrible...but I'm trying to work with the gear that I currently have.

 

[training700]

No need for adex during bridge. 12 makes a big difference than 18 considering height and weight.

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[dylangemelli]

thank u guys for giving the time to inform a beginner like me. I thought I had the perfect cycle but little did I know. Oh and I'm not 18% bf...actually 12%. Idk why I put 18.

Revised cycle

Beastdrol 20-20-30-30 (Week 1-4)
Arimidex .25 (Week 3-4) *only if gyno flare up*
Forma Stanzol 5 pumps ED (Week 2-4)
Creatine 5g ED
Milk Thistle liver support (1-4)

pct
clomid 25/25/25/25 (week 5-8)
Unleashed/post cycle combo (week 5-8)
forma stanzol 6-8 pumps (week 5-8)

bridge
Sarms s4 (week 9-12)
adex .25 (week 9-12)
creatine 5g ED

does this look better? It's probably still horrible...but I'm trying to work with the gear that I currently have.

milk thistle is not enough protection with beast... you need n2guard... you need to cover all your bases... beast is double methylated... its no fucking joke... you need to run forma at 10 pumps a day... 5 in the a.m. and 5 twelve hours later...

your bridge is pretty much a joke... its not really a bridge...

if you want to run a sarms stack, i can set that up for you... are you only wanting to run s4 or are you wanting to run a triple stack?

 

[flight815]

milk thistle is not enough protection with beast... you need n2guard... you need to cover all your bases... beast is double methylated... its no fucking joke... you need to run forma at 10 pumps a day... 5 in the a.m. and 5 twelve hours later...

your bridge is pretty much a joke... its not really a bridge...

if you want to run a sarms stack, i can set that up for you... are you only wanting to run s4 or are you wanting to run a triple stack?

are you sure I need n2guard. Because this is my first cycle and I've never had an ounce of alcohol in my life so I think my liver is in good shape. Milk thistle and a gnc brand liver cleanser is what im taking currently.

and as far as the bridge. It's still 2 months away so I have plenty of time to decide what I will run. But what do you recommend in terms of running one around s4?

btw thanks a lot for your help!

 

[joeblow12345]

are you sure I need n2guard. Because this is my first cycle and I've never had an ounce of alcohol in my life so I think my liver is in good shape. Milk thistle and a gnc brand liver cleanser is what im taking currently.

and as far as the bridge. It's still 2 months away so I have plenty of time to decide what I will run. But what do you recommend in terms of running one around s4?

btw thanks a lot for your help!

It doesnt matter if your liver has never been abused before as beast will do a good job making up for lost time. Why risk it? As for your bridge run an 8 week osta and s4 stack and if you want you can throw in the mk which is also great.

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[dylangemelli]

bro, i don't care if you've never done anything that could have a negative effect on your liver... that's not what this is all about... you need to protect yourself from not only liver effects but also blood pressure, which will increase a lot on beast, cholesterol etc... its double methylated... even if you've lived a toxic free life you need to protect yourself as much as possible... your introducing a foreign substance into your body for the first time... you MUST protect it... trust me, if you don't, you will be very fucking sorry... don't be one that has to learn the hard way...

 

[RickRock13]

Beastdrol is the most toxic oral steroid you can take, so proper supports to protect your health are a must. You need N2guard at the bare minimum before you run it

 

[flight815]

3 weeks into my cycle and I'm finally noticing some big gains. Was almost gonna give it up 2 weeks in noticing minimal gains but this week I'm like a different person! I've only gained 4lb but considering I had some fat I def lost some and gained in muscle

I only got 1 week left with beast but I don't want to stop just as I notice some gains. I have s4 in hand and was wondering if I can just stop beast at the end of the 4th week and continue on with s4 before I go to my PCT.

 

[dylangemelli]

3 weeks into my cycle and I'm finally noticing some big gains. Was almost gonna give it up 2 weeks in noticing minimal gains but this week I'm like a different person! I've only gained 4lb but considering I had some fat I def lost some and gained in muscle

I only got 1 week left with beast but I don't want to stop just as I notice some gains. I have s4 in hand and was wondering if I can just stop beast at the end of the 4th week and continue on with s4 before I go to my PCT.

no... you need to run beast as its supposed to be ran... then run pct and after pct you can start a sarms stack... run ostarine in your pct at 25mg day and let that lead you into a triple sarms stack after pct is complete... you can get some great sarms at great prices at uniquemicals.com...