New/first cycle

[the.gladiator1987]

Hi I am new to this site, been reading posts andhad a lot of questions so i made an account. Anyway im 21 years old, 5'10 and weigh about 185. I read that its good to wait till youre 21 and i know that is still young but i think my strength is good enough to where im ready start a cycle.

I want to do test/EQ/anavar. Heres what i put together

test 400mg week 1-12
EQ 600mg week 1-15
anavar 60mg week 9-15
aromasin 12.5mg E3D
LipoStack week 12-15
Unleashed week 1-15
HCG week 9-16
TestRecoveryStack week 16-23
POST CYCLE week 16-23
Nolva week 16-21
Creatine kre-alkalyn week 16-23


I want lean quality muscle. Im having 5000 calories a day, good quality food i can post my diet if i need to, i just had some questions about running. Im going to be doing 30 minutes HIIT 3x a week. And I am going to do pavement one day, hills next day, and track the next day.


1) Best Pre run drink/meal? I read that a 20g protein shake would be ideal. Is that enough no matter how long you run? At what point does your body burn muscle instead of fat?

2) Best Post run meal/drink? Same as what you would want after a workout? (example fast acting carbs, 20 minutes later whey isolate shake, 45 minutes after that a meal)

3) Is 5000 calories enough to maintain/build muscle AND burn fat with my cycle?

And a workout question..

1) While working out say back and biceps, do you do all sets for back then for biceps or do you intertwine the bodyparts?

Thank you everyone i hope i get some feedback im really excited about this cycle and this site has helped me gain so much knowledge. I know 21 is young however i have been researching AAS and supps/diet/training for a couple years now and have been working out for 5 years. Thanks again EF

 

[sweed]

5000 cals a day to gain! you prob only need like 2500, esp with a kid your age with your test levels somewhat high. It's all about what your eating and how you are training. How long have you been training? If it's not at least 5 years then I would say wait( just saw you've lifted for 5 years!). You can get to 200 lbs before starting a cycle imho. Make that a goal first before jumping on a cycle, you will feel much better that you have achieved that and that will make the first cycle a whole lot better.
When you are ready a test only cycle is all you will need. 4-500mgs ew of test enanthate. you will gain 20+ lbs if done right. your hcg/pct looks good. run test 12 weeks max. on cycle you will need at least 300 grams of solid protiein, then a pwo shake with appropraite recovery supps like glutamine and creatine.
Everything looks great tho brotha! Good to see new guys in here setting shit up before jumping in and then asking dumb ?'s!
Welcome to the Elite!

 

[hesnobradpitt]

To much gear for a first cycle , its exactly what i was going to do in my first !!! no joke lol
I ended up just doing Test E and loved it .
I like cyto gainer as a pre mixed drink so check that out (no indorsment)
Your diet has to move with your progress what is your maintenance level cals at the moment ?

Brad.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

5000 too much? They are all clean calories. Should i post my diet? Anyway it seems impossible to get to 200. I know i just need to eat more, but 200 is more of my final goal not a starting point. My maintenance calories is probably around 2500 right now.

I have heard of test only cycles which seems to be the base of all cycles, but adding EQ will really be that bad? Its pretty safe with hardly any sides except to help me eat more, which i want. And i could skip the anavar but i already have it. Im gonna be taking multi vitamin, fish oil, flax seed, glutamine and laetrile. Every day my meals total up to at least 320g protein. Including shakes. Skipping out on creatine until post cycle.

So just test? Not even along with only anavar or EQ? What other sides could i get with test/var or test/EQ that i wouldnt get from just test? Thanks again for the help, and if anyone knows where i should post the running questions that would be great

 

[C Manson]

the reason behind using test only for a first is to see how you react to aas...if you have to many compounds and run into trouble you wont know whats causing what....eq can cause bad anxiety if your prone.

 

[cuts82]

If 2500 is your calorie intake now then your crazy if you just double it to 5000. and also what the fuck is the point of trying to bulk up if your doin running and other cardio? also im sure if you increased your calories progressively you could gain that weight naturally .

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Well they way i see it is that i wont be able to eat all 5000 one day after i was just eating 2500, so ill only be able to increase it 250-500 every couple days. Ill still be eating enough to gain. I guess i can take some meals out and make it 4000? That will be enough to gain/lose fat at the same time?

 

[eddymerckx]

I would be remiss if I did not tell you to wait seven years--grow natty, reach the limit, break though with gear.

Why have I had to say this like 20 times in 2 days??? is it just bros trying to get in shape for spring break?

 

[RADAR]

I would be remiss if I did not tell you to wait seven years--grow natty, reach the limit, break though with gear.

Why have I had to say this like 20 times in 2 days??? is it just bros trying to get in shape for spring break?

Yep! It's that time of year again,


What you need is 1 gram of protein for every pound of bodyweight, and morning cardio after a 12 hr fast ,that should rip you up and you will look like you're on steroids, also ALA, and Creatine and other nutrients
\Check out NutritionExpress.com (not an endorsement)

RADAR

 

[eClenbuterol]

I'm not going to argue about whether 5 years of training naturally is "enough" or whether 21 is old enough to make your own decisions. My only comment is that you have given this a lot of thought and you know what you're doing and why. You're gonna do what you're gonna do. IMO, 500 mg week of long ester test is plenty.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

I'm not going to argue about whether 5 years of training naturally is "enough" or whether 21 is old enough to make your own decisions. My only comment is that you have given this a lot of thought and you know what you're doing and why. You're gonna do what you're gonna do. IMO, 500 mg week of long ester test is plenty.

Hey RADAR, is a 12 hour fast meaning after you sleep and the last meal you had the night before is 12 hours ago and then you run? What would be the best thing to have to go to sleep to? Casein, cottage cheese, peanut butter?


eClen, thanks for the input. As far as im concerned it seems that if you put enough research behind what youre doing then everything will be good to go. I know of ALL possible side effects, how to counter them, i am getting blood tests pre, mid, post cycle, and im using relatively low doses with the safer AAS. Im not asking to do 1g of test and 1g of tren with no PCT.

So my question is, since i have the anavar and its a pretty mild steroid, is there anything wrong with throwing it in with the test cycle? Ill cut out the EQ. Anything else look bad with my cycle? And no im not trying to get in shape for spring break, this is a life long journey i understand that, however certain priorities of mine need me to start sooner than later. At least im doing it very safe, and i know everything i need to know about a cycle. One thing i might do is increase my calories up to 4k and see some gains for about 6 months and then start a cycle.

 

[enacer420nj]

Eat some eggs before bed a few whites and maybe a yolk

 

[RADAR]

Hey RADAR, is a 12 hour fast meaning after you sleep and the last meal you had the night before is 12 hours ago and then you run? What would be the best thing to have to go to sleep to? Casein, cottage cheese, peanut butter?


eClen, thanks for the input. As far as im concerned it seems that if you put enough research behind what youre doing then everything will be good to go. I know of ALL possible side effects, how to counter them, i am getting blood tests pre, mid, post cycle, and im using relatively low doses with the safer AAS. Im not asking to do 1g of test and 1g of tren with no PCT.

So my question is, since i have the anavar and its a pretty mild steroid, is there anything wrong with throwing it in with the test cycle? Ill cut out the EQ. Anything else look bad with my cycle? And no im not trying to get in shape for spring break, this is a life long journey i understand that, however certain priorities of mine need me to start sooner than later. At least im doing it very safe, and i know everything i need to know about a cycle. One thing i might do is increase my calories up to 4k and see some gains for about 6 months and then start a cycle.

Yes run after waking up, the body has no choice but to dip into those fat stores for fuel,I have 6 meals per day, 3 of those comes from muscle milk,I get 1 gram of protein for every pound i weigh. same shall apply to you, right after running you should have a hi calorie/hi protein shake, followed later by breakfast, breakfast should be your biggest meal, evenings your lightest,I sometimes have a serving of muscle milk an hr before bedtime. then nothing for 12 hrs.thats your fast!You will be amazed at the transformation if you commit to this. also weight training is a must!

RADAR

 

[superhulk_26]

the reason behind using test only for a first is to see how you react to aas...if you have to many compounds and run into trouble you wont know whats causing what....eq can cause bad anxiety if your prone.

your right on man, a few cycles ago, i tried eq for the first time and man, i will never take that shizle again! i had the worst anxiety of my life!! i hate eq and will never touch that compound again!! so ya bro test only first cycle is the way to go! there are way better compounds then eq anyways... i prefer deca way way more!

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Thanks RADAR, ill definetly be doing that. Heres my diet every day ( OR what i want, but i need a little help with it - to lower it) At first i thought a good snack in the evening before bed every night would be ANPB, almonds or fruit.


Oh and i guess it seems like i should skip the EQ so i will, but can/should i keep the anavar? Besides cholesterol what else could it possibly mess up? Its one of the safest. And @60mg per day i dont think thats too harsh.


Off to my diet......

Wake up: Water
RUNNING
Breakfast: 3 cups oatmeal
3 cups milk
2 pieces ww bread
20g whey isolate
fruit

OR

3 eggs
2 pieces ww bread
20g whey isolate
3 cups milk
fruit

Snack: 1 cup almonds OR 4tbsp ANPB

Lunch:8oz lean meat
3 pieces ww bread
2 cups milk
1 cup rice
2 potatoe w/ butter

Pre Dinner: 8 oz meat
1 piece ww bread
2 cups milk

Pre W/O: 20g whey

Post W/O: 2 servings Glycomaize

Dinner: 8oz lean meat
1 potatoes w/butter
1 cup milk
1 pieces ww bread
3 servings broccoli

Before bed: 20g whey w/ 4tbsp ANPB

SUPPS: Multi, Glutamine, Fish oil, Creatine kre-alkalyn, Laetrile, Caties Organic Greens

 

[eClenbuterol]

Anavar won't hurt anything. Not sure it'll add anything. The argument for sticking with one compound is to eliminate variables and learn about your body. So in that sense you have something to possibly lose, which is knowledge. That's all.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Ok, well im pretty sure besides cholesterol, that anavar wont do anything that test wouldnt do (acne, aggression, etc). Im gonna add it but take the EQ out. Im pretty sure my diet is clean and good.