New Cycle

[bigjohnr]

I tried posting this but it never showed up, if it is posted twice, please forgive me...

Hi I am thinking of running this. I am 230 lbs, 5'11" with about 12% bf. I have been training for 30 years, used to own a body building gym and have been around. I am 44 years old and have done a few cycles over the years.

Week 1 - 4 test prop 50 mg amp ed
Week 1 - 12 250 mg of deca a week
Week 1 - 13 250 mg of sust 250 per week or up to 500 mg if 250 is not enough, not sure on this
Week 14 - 16 test prop 50 mg amp ed
week 17 test prop 50 mg eod
week 18 - 20 PCT

In addition I am doing 4 IU's of hgh per day and will probably lower to 2 or 3 IU's in a few weeks.

Please let me know your thoughts. I am looking for some size maybe 8 to 10 lbs solid. Less water retention, the last cycle my face looked awful, very puffy. I am looking for as little crash as possible.
Thanks for your help!

 

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Regarding Puffiness of face: Arimidex is a wonder drug, after taking it people start commenting how chisled my face looked.....it is expensive but worth it

Joe Blow

 

[DIVISION]

Week 1 - 10 200 mg of deca ew
Week 1 - 12 250/500 mg Sustanon ew
Week 6 - 12 Winny 50 mg ed
PCT 13 - 17

Here are my changes, Lil'John

I've compacted your cycle to 12 weeks because anything longer and you will not see any productive gains, and remember the longer you are shutdown, the longer it takes to get back.

I don't recommend cycles longer than 12 weeks.




DIV

 

[bigjohnr]

Thanks guys, great advise from both of you good bro's.

 

[Goldprospector]

I agree with Division in theory...The longer you are shut dow...the longer it will take to recover.....but I think a 20 week cycle of 250 test with the right diet puts on nice keepable gains...but thats neither here nor there. I do not recommend ramping down as it appears that you are leaning to doing. There is not need to ramp down because if you have the test in your system, then you are going to be shut down either way...so why not get the full benifit. Make sure your PCT is spot on and keep up your eating after the cycle and the gains should stay on nicely.

 

[sweed]

btw bigjohn, what do u u have for pct?

 

[DIVISION]

I agree with Division in theory...The longer you are shut dow...the longer it will take to recover.....but I think a 20 week cycle of 250 test with the right diet puts on nice keepable gains...but thats neither here nor there. I do not recommend ramping down as it appears that you are leaning to doing. There is not need to ramp down because if you have the test in your system, then you are going to be shut down either way...so why not get the full benifit. Make sure your PCT is spot on and keep up your eating after the cycle and the gains should stay on nicely.

It's all -or- nothing with me, Goldie.

I would like to stay within the 12 week range, but IF and ONLY IF I did decide to do something long it would be something like a 20+ weeker full of a few different compounds. After I've got a few test cycles under my belt, I'll consider a Max cycle.....but for now it's not in the cards.

Alot of kids on here seem infatuated with "bridging" for long cycles, but they don't understand that even when you bridge you are still "on", therefore it's like permanent HRT and that is a serious issue.




DIV

 

[Goldprospector]

It's all -or- nothing with me, Goldie.

I would like to stay within the 12 week range, but IF and ONLY IF I did decide to do something long it would be something like a 20+ weeker full of a few different compounds. After I've got a few test cycles under my belt, I'll consider a Max cycle.....but for now it's not in the cards.

Alot of kids on here seem infatuated with "bridging" for long cycles, but they don't understand that even when you bridge you are still "on", therefore it's like permanent HRT and that is a serious issue.




DIV

I understand where you are coming from bro...but Latimer talked me into doing a low dose 20 weeker. I had the biggest total body transformation of any of my cycles. i dropped a lot of BF, plus still gained LBM and it stayed with me. The recobery was no different than a 10 weeker test only that I did. I believe it is all in the compounds and how each person responds to them. For example, I did a 12 week Test/EQ and was not at all satified with the EQ and the recovery from that cycle was a Killer, but I also did a 12 Weeks Test/Deca cycle and was thrilled with results and recovery went really well.
Anyway, I guess it is all just one big experiment until we each find our own perfect cycle!

 

[DIVISION]

Anyway, I guess it is all just one big experiment until we each find our own perfect cycle!

True!

I wish I could cut through the bullshit and find an ideal cycle that would maximize my growth.....until then I have to try each compound and go from there.



DIV