New cycle ... suggestions?

[leatherface]

Hey guys, I haven't seen this posted in awhile so I hope you don't mind me asking, and yes I have done my research before I posted this .

Basically, I'm looking to try my first cycle.
***I've been training for 10+ years, im 21 now, interested mostly in strength. I'm not worried about water retention or muscle hardness or anything really. ****Health wise, I'm fine as far as I know.
****Money wise, I'm a college student, but I can probably come up with a good bit of cash for this.
**** I'd like to try something like a 8-12 week cycle(If that isn't too short).
I've been trying to put something together myself, but I figure you guys well do a hell of alot better than I, and It wouldn't hurt to ask.
****I'd like to keep major side-effects to a minimum! Especially for my first cycle(though I suppose this is obvious )

Thanks a ton, any questions, post em up or PM me.

 

[jmead]

Hey guys, I haven't seen this posted in awhile so I hope you don't mind me asking, and yes I have done my research before I posted this .

Basically, I'm looking to try my first cycle.
***I've been training for 10+ years, im 21 now, interested mostly in strength. I'm not worried about water retention or muscle hardness or anything really. ****Health wise, I'm fine as far as I know.
****Money wise, I'm a college student, but I can probably come up with a good bit of cash for this.
**** I'd like to try something like a 8-12 week cycle(If that isn't too short).
I've been trying to put something together myself, but I figure you guys well do a hell of alot better than I, and It wouldn't hurt to ask.
****I'd like to keep major side-effects to a minimum! Especially for my first cycle(though I suppose this is obvious )

Thanks a ton, any questions, post em up or PM me.

first.. whats your weight and bf% maybe we can be the judge of if your "heatlhy" haha.. just kidding

first go get a full panel blood test done.. so you know what you are natural..
if your not worried about muscle hardness or water..
then.. run

500mg test E wk 1-10 (250mg Every 3 days)
Dbol 30mg wks 1-4 ED
make sure you have an AI to run throughout to help with BP and sides..
id suggest AIFM, or some aromasin/letro/arimidex
if you go with AIFM just run it throughout.. and through pct.. until DEATH

have your PCT drugs in line.. such as HCG/Clomid/Nolva

dont start your cycle until everything is in your hands.. PINS/GEAR/ANCILLIARY DRUGS..

most people wont suggest running more than 1 compound for your first cycle.. so you can see how you react to each drug.. but i didnt really listen.. this is my first REAL cycle, my last one i ran DECA alone.. could fuck for days which was great and never nut which wasnt very great.. not fun.. gained like 25 pounds.. which was fun.. but ya now im on test/eq ran dbol 4wks as a kickstart..

good luck. have fun with your first cycle. its a great ride

 

[SFArugger]

obviously you havent done your research if your asking if an 8-12 week cycle is too short. go do more research, you didnt even mention what you were planning on taking, your stats, or anything. And saying you started training when you were 11 and your 21 now dosent mean anything. And ya no shit on keeping sides to a minimum.....

 

[dsh89]

Right we tell people here like 10 times a day what a good first cycle is, so if you researched you would not have to ask. Jmead has you all laid out though. Except I would avoid dbol for my first run but that is just me. I would just stick with test only.

 

[Caper26]

Good luck man. I think the first suggestion was good and like he said be sure you have everything before you start. I did 500mg a week of sustanon for 12 weeks for my first. I loved it, good strength and size gains. If you want to throw in D-bol also that would be fun or you could try it with test for a second cycle at a later date. You should also do some more research before you jump into anything.

Caper26

 

[resqguy]

I've been training for 10+ years

You've been training since before you were eleven years old???

 

[jmead]

You've been training since before you were eleven years old???

tossin around diapers full of 5 pounds of shit is hard work..

 

[resqguy]

tossin around diapers full of 5 pounds of shit is hard work..

Really, that statement is difficult for me to take seriously. Not the one about the diapers, that is...

 

[fatdog]

You need to do the research, and have a basic cycle set up or an idea at least. Don’t just do what people tell you. Learn and see what they have to say about the cycle you propose... My first big cycle was Testcyp at 300mg for 8 weeks and I tossed some anavar in at 6-10wk at 35mg. I would suggest running a light cycle for the first time see how your body reacts. Some people told me that I wouldn’t gain any thing, that 8 wks wasn’t long enough and that a 300mg a wk run, I wouldn’t gain shit... I put on 20+ lb and kept around 10lb. This was only earlier this year also. My very first cycle I ran androstenediol (Pro hormone) before it went illegal and winy. Baby steps, read and look at some threads.
Keep it real brotha…

Fatdog,

 

[leatherface]

obviously you havent done your research if your asking if an 8-12 week cycle is too short. go do more research, you didnt even mention what you were planning on taking, your stats, or anything. And saying you started training when you were 11 and your 21 now dosent mean anything. And ya no shit on keeping sides to a minimum.....

Sorry. Yes, I have done my research, and I found alot of example cycles, ranging between 8 weeks to 22 weeks. I have a list of what I would choose from, but I'm not quite clear how I want to put it together, Ill list them after this post. I said I've been training for 10 years, and honestly, it does mean something. It means I'm not just jumping into this for no reason, or that I haven't put in some time. It means I know what I'm capable of in the weight room. No reason to be harsh, I'm trying to ask a simple question as nicely as I can.

What I've been looking at are
sust
winny
anavar
andriol
clen
dbol
nolvadex
primo
test

As this is my first cycle, I would only run 2-3 I'm sure, and not at a very high dosage.
Once again, I'm just looking for some help, sorry to inconvience anyone.

 

[leatherface]

Right we tell people here like 10 times a day what a good first cycle is, so if you researched you would not have to ask. Jmead has you all laid out though. Except I would avoid dbol for my first run but that is just me. I would just stick with test only.

Thanks, I figured this post came up alot, but just wanted to give my specific criteria. Again, thanks.

 

[leatherface]

You've been training since before you were eleven years old???

Yes I have. Long story there, figured I'd save it for another time.

 

[leatherface]

You need to do the research, and have a basic cycle set up or an idea at least. Don’t just do what people tell you. Learn and see what they have to say about the cycle you propose... My first big cycle was Testcyp at 300mg for 8 weeks and I tossed some anavar in at 6-10wk at 35mg. I would suggest running a light cycle for the first time see how your body reacts. Some people told me that I wouldn’t gain any thing, that 8 wks wasn’t long enough and that a 300mg a wk run, I wouldn’t gain shit... I put on 20+ lb and kept around 10lb. This was only earlier this year also. My very first cycle I ran androstenediol (Pro hormone) before it went illegal and winy. Baby steps, read and look at some threads.
Keep it real brotha…

Fatdog,

Thanks alot man. I was thinking something like
200mg/week of primo depot and 200-300 mg/week of deca durabolin

Really though, I just feel more comfortable asking for you guys, the more experienced, opion.
Thanks again for all the help It's really much appreciated.

 

[solidspine]

Deca & Test
PCT
Anti-e

over

 

[T-Matt]

EQ/Test

or

Deca/Test

or

Masteron/Test

Do you see a theme? haha, make sure you include test.. don't waste your money on Sustanon.. Sustanon is overrated.. just b/c it has different blends of test doesn't make it any better than good old test enanthate.. If anything it's inferior b/c it gets your blood levels all out of wack causing all the side effects to surface..

Bottomline if you want to keep it simple and add nothing but lean weight and stay hard as a rock I'd go with:

400-500mg Test/wk
400-600mg Masteron/wk
2 Sprays of AIFM/day

As many people will say, if you can't do it on test you just can't do it.. Masteron is a moderate anabolic but more than anything it's anti estrogenic and that's what's going to keep you dry looking and keep off the fat. It's very similar to winstrol but without the joint pains..

T-Matt

 

[SwolK]

it does not look like you have done your research.

so your started training before the age of 11....? right...

anyway.
Test for 10 weeks at 500mg.
use an AI (AIFM or Aromasin)
Proper PCT (clomid, or nolv, and HCG)

 

[leatherface]

EQ/Test

or

Deca/Test

or

Masteron/Test

Do you see a theme? haha, make sure you include test.. don't waste your money on Sustanon.. Sustanon is overrated.. just b/c it has different blends of test doesn't make it any better than good old test enanthate.. If anything it's inferior b/c it gets your blood levels all out of wack causing all the side effects to surface..

Bottomline if you want to keep it simple and add nothing but lean weight and stay hard as a rock I'd go with:

400-500mg Test/wk
400-600mg Masteron/wk
2 Sprays of AIFM/day

As many people will say, if you can't do it on test you just can't do it.. Masteron is a moderate anabolic but more than anything it's anti estrogenic and that's what's going to keep you dry looking and keep off the fat. It's very similar to winstrol but without the joint pains..

T-Matt

Thanks man. I'll see what I can get ahold of. I'm sorry for the beginner thread lol. Anyhow, thanks again, I'll be sure to post again soon with my findings.

 

[leatherface]

it does not look like you have done your research.

so your started training before the age of 11....? right...

anyway.
Test for 10 weeks at 500mg.
use an AI (AIFM or Aromasin)
Proper PCT (clomid, or nolv, and HCG)

Thanks, I was looking for something very similiar, I just would appreciate someone else more knowledgeable putting it together for me. Thanks a ton man. After I make sure I can get ahold of this, I'll post back up. Can you post exact intake(mgs) and weeks? Thanks a lot.

 

[jmead]

EQ/Test

or

Deca/Test

or

Masteron/Test

Do you see a theme? haha, make sure you include test.. don't waste your money on Sustanon.. Sustanon is overrated.. just b/c it has different blends of test doesn't make it any better than good old test enanthate.. If anything it's inferior b/c it gets your blood levels all out of wack causing all the side effects to surface..

Bottomline if you want to keep it simple and add nothing but lean weight and stay hard as a rock I'd go with:

400-500mg Test/wk
400-600mg Masteron/wk
2 Sprays of AIFM/day

As many people will say, if you can't do it on test you just can't do it.. Masteron is a moderate anabolic but more than anything it's anti estrogenic and that's what's going to keep you dry looking and keep off the fat. It's very similar to winstrol but without the joint pains..

T-Matt

you are ROCKIN the masteron lately.. isnt that only recommended for LOW bf %?

 

[MTS]

Deca & Test
PCT
Anti-e

over

agreed

i'll expand a little

250mg test 1-12
400mg deca 1-12
letro or other AI 2-12

PCT

 

[leatherface]

agreed

i'll expand a little

250mg test 1-12
400mg deca 1-12
letro or other AI 2-12

PCT

Awesome, thanks alot for expanding that. I assume with this, the dosages don't change at all through week 1-12? Also, is letro the AI you would recommend? Also, what else would you recommend for the PCT? As I'm asking this, I will continue to try to find some answers the best I can. Thanks for all the help and comments!

 

[T-Matt]

you are ROCKIN the masteron lately.. isnt that only recommended for LOW bf %?

I have problems with gyno and it REALLY keeps me hard.. Anyone who is fatboy prone should always use DHT derivative.. Test/masteron is an unbeatable feeling, I'm telling you!

T-Matt

 

[leatherface]

Awesome, thanks alot for expanding that. I assume with this, the dosages don't change at all through week 1-12? Also, is letro the AI you would recommend? Also, what else would you recommend for the PCT? As I'm asking this, I will continue to try to find some answers the best I can. Thanks for all the help and comments!

bump

 

[SwolK]

Thanks, I was looking for something very similiar, I just would appreciate someone else more knowledgeable putting it together for me. Thanks a ton man. After I make sure I can get ahold of this, I'll post back up. Can you post exact intake(mgs) and weeks? Thanks a lot.

500mg test (Eth or Cyp)for 10 weeks. split into 2 injections of 250mg on Mon and Thrus.
use AIFM (2 pumps per day) or Aromasin (around 20 mg per day)
PCT should include either Clomid or Nolv and HCG

 

[SwolK]

agreed

i'll expand a little

250mg test 1-12
400mg deca 1-12
letro or other AI 2-12

PCT

no disrespect, but i do not agree.

first cycle should only contain 1 compound, so that you know how you react to each compound.
Even if you did add Deca to the Test, the deca should NOT be run at a higher dose then the test. maybe 400mg test and 200 deca. not the other way around. But anyway, i think (and most people will probably agree) that first cycle should be Test only.

Also, I would not use Letro as your AI. It is the strongest AI and make your sex drive non existant. Letro is usually only needed at high doses or for people who are extremely gyno prone. typically, adex is the weakest AI, then AIFM and Aromasin are in the middle (and most recommended) and then Letro being the strongest.

 

[leatherface]

Ok, how is this looking?

10-12 weeks
400mg test/week 200/monday and 200/thursday
300mg deca/week 150/monday 150/thursday
10mg nolvadex/day

PCT
clomid
week1 300mg/day
week2 100mg/day
week3 50mg/day

Some more questions I have...
should i frontload the deca?
should i wait about 3 weeks after im done with this to start my PCT
Would it be advisable to take 1 injectable and 1 oral as opposed to this?

 

[leatherface]

no disrespect, but i do not agree.

first cycle should only contain 1 compound, so that you know how you react to each compound.
Even if you did add Deca to the Test, the deca should NOT be run at a higher dose then the test. maybe 400mg test and 200 deca. not the other way around. But anyway, i think (and most people will probably agree) that first cycle should be Test only.

Also, I would not use Letro as your AI. It is the strongest AI and make your sex drive non existant. Letro is usually only needed at high doses or for people who are extremely gyno prone. typically, adex is the weakest AI, then AIFM and Aromasin are in the middle (and most recommended) and then Letro being the strongest.

If it it advisable to only take 1 compound for my first cycle, then how about the cycle I just posted, but no deca, and 500mg of test?

Thanks alot!

 

[leatherface]

looking good?

 

[MTS]

If it it advisable to only take 1 compound for my first cycle, then how about the cycle I just posted, but no deca, and 500mg of test?

Thanks alot!

some suggest 1 compound some dont...i dont think it's a big deal if you have two in there...yeah you wont know if the sides are from test or the deca, but That was my frist cycle and a few of my friends and i think it's a good first cycle

yeah letro is harsh if you use a AI with the test deca cycle use Anastrozole low dosage at frist and bump it up as needed.

If you are doing a test cycle 500mg use nolva 10mg daily

 

[leatherface]

Ok, so now I'm looking at something like this. Open to all suggestions

10-12 weeks
500mg test/week 250/monday and 250/thursday
10mg nolvadex/day

PCT - start 3 weeks after end of cycle
clomid
week1 300mg/day
week2 100mg/day
week3 50mg/day


What about now?
Thanks for sharing all the knowledge guys, it's very much appreciated!

 

[jmead]

Ok, so now I'm looking at something like this. Open to all suggestions

10-12 weeks
500mg test/week 250/monday and 250/thursday
10mg nolvadex/day

PCT - start 3 weeks after end of cycle
clomid
week1 300mg/day
week2 100mg/day
week3 50mg/day


What about now?
Thanks for sharing all the knowledge guys, it's very much appreciated!

looks good.. but id save the nolva for pct, and just spend 30 bucks on some AIFM.. its good shit.. you can run it throughout.. til... death, keeps estrogen in check

 

[leatherface]

looks good.. but id save the nolva for pct, and just spend 30 bucks on some AIFM.. its good shit.. you can run it throughout.. til... death, keeps estrogen in check

Ok, what dosages would you reccommend. And If im running nolva for pct, how would that cycle look?

I can't say thanks enough

 

[leatherface]

I read a few articles(actually a lot), that advised taking Clenbuterol at the end of my cycle for around 6-8 weeks. This will apparently block the cortisone receptors so that I can maintain a large portion of the gains made by the test.
Any thoughts here?
I'm finding alot out by doing this research, but I find that first-hand knoweledge is much more practical, and you guys have been a ton of help with my first cycle so far!

 

[leatherface]

I know you guys hate these beginner threads, and I'm sorry for having to post this up! Some more help would be greatly appreciated though, and hopefully I can be giving advice one day.
So what do you guys mainly of the Ai and PCT comments?

 

[leatherface]

Alright I get the point lol I'll try to figure some more out on my own and post up my final thoughts.
Thanks