Nelson: Quick, short cycle

muscleman1234 · May 30, 2003

Hey Nelson,

Got your book. Love the contrarian ideology...

I have a question though that I couldn't find in your writings:

I've done two cycles so far and both have included an oral and enanthate. I noticed that the majority of my gains came in the first few weeks of the oral and once I stopped the oral and continued the test, it was difficult to progress...

I'm currently trying to cut up (carb reduced diet) and was wondering what you would suggest for a quick cycle (a few weeks) that would allow further cutting and definition with some possible added size? I have access to dbol, winny orals and winny injectable, as well as a slew of test's. I'm thinking dbol may bloat too much...

What do you think?

Thanks.

JoBu · May 30, 2003

I'm not Nelson, but I'd suggest injecting Winny along with Fina for 4-6 weeks...say 75mg Fina & 50mg Winny EOD. Maybe a little test prop if you're concerned about "fina dick". I didn't have any problems running Fina solo but some do. If your goal to to cut then I'd stay away from D-bol.

JoBu

bbkingpin · May 30, 2003

Of those you listed, winny -- do 100mg/day by itself.

DaddyX · May 30, 2003

well the point of short cycles is to not suppress hpta,thus a 3 weeker is a good choice and dbol/prop wold work well. if worried about bloating then use ldex or use winy witht the prop

manny78 · May 30, 2003

Read here: http://www.expertpcsupport.com./forum/showthread.php?threadid=213440&highlight=3+weeks

Johnny Cut · May 30, 2003

for platnums only

Nelson Montana · May 30, 2003

Well, I don't want to open that whole can of worms about using gear to "cut" and persoally, I don't see what the big deal is with water bloat from d-bol. Water is easy to lose and you don't need liquidex. Hell, a little potassium, uva ursi, dandelion and a sweat belt during work outs will keep bloat down. Besides, you lose it a week after you stop anyway.

I would NEVER recommend fina.

If you're just looking to harden up and look sharp while dieting, the winny will work just fine. But don't exceed 50 mgs of the orals. It'll do a number on your liver and lipids. (Actually, even the injectable is bad for your LDL).

instant · May 30, 2003

Nelson, why so adamantly against fina, even in this case?

muscleman1234 · May 30, 2003

Thanks for the info Everyone!

Nelson Montana · May 30, 2003

instant said:
Nelson, why so adamantly against fina, even in this case?

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I don't know, maybe it's the anxiety or the night sweats or the hives or the gyno. No, I got it...it's the impotence. Not to mention that the sterility is suspect.

What can I say, the shit's meant for cows.

mt · May 30, 2003

But tren is meant for Gods.

Sure there's the night sweats, lethargy, impotence, loss of stamina, loss of appetite, and a general overall feeling of shittiness; but it does give you that look of carved granite. And what's more important: how you look or how you feel?

doublebicep · May 30, 2003

Nelson Montana said:
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I don't know, maybe it's the anxiety or the night sweats or the hives or the gyno. No, I got it...it's the impotence. Not to mention that the sterility is suspect.

What can I say, the shit's meant for cows.

You forgot to mention massive hairloss! You couldn't pay me to try fina! Just plain nasty! WTF are people thinking?

variation · May 31, 2003

by the way, manny's link is for platniums because he is using spellwins cloak feature.. try this -->

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=213440&highlight=3+weeks

ANVIL276 · May 31, 2003

On Fina I feel great.
Lean ,Hard in more ways than one no problems in the sexual dapartmant.
I'am not a follower and what most people say i have never felt.
Pay more attention to what u feel and less to what is said .

jubei · May 31, 2003

Nelson, do you have a problem with trenbolone in general or is it just finaplix conversions that you don't like. What do you think of tren enanthate (parabolan) or something like spectro omega tren (made from tren acetate powder)?

jboldman · May 31, 2003

hey, the man does not like fina, he does not have to! It really is a matter of choice. The flip side is that many(including me) rarely do a cycle without it and experience none of those sides.

jb

JoBu · May 31, 2003

Nelson Montana said:
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I don't know, maybe it's the anxiety or the night sweats or the hives or the gyno. No, I got it...it's the impotence. Not to mention that the sterility is suspect.

What can I say, the shit's meant for cows.

Then I guess it's good that not everyone gets those sides from fina. Me...anxiety...no, night sweats...no, gyno...not yet, impotence...definitely not. If it weren't for the sides you listed would you still have a problem with fina? As far as an effective steroid...do you disagree that it does it's intended job well?

JoBu

Nelson Montana · May 31, 2003

JoBu said:
Then I guess it's good that not everyone gets those sides from fina. Me...anxiety...no, night sweats...no, gyno...not yet, impotence...definitely not. If it weren't for the sides you listed would you still have a problem with fina? As far as an effective steroid...do you disagree that it does it's intended job well?

JoBu

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In its pure form ,(trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarnonate) it's one effective motherfucker. The whole conversion bit is something I wouldn't mess with, but obviously a lot of people are doing it and they aren't dying -- but they're still getting the nasty sides. But even in it's pure form , it's extremely suppressive and more toxic than other injectables. It's a judgement call. I'd pass. But you cant argue with the results. What means more to you, your muscles or your dick? I'll go with my dick. Mr. Johnson owns 51% of the stock

DeepZenPill · May 31, 2003

Nelson Montana said:
Well, I don't want to open that whole can of worms about using gear to "cut" and persoally, I don't see what the big deal is with water bloat from d-bol. Water is easy to lose and you don't need liquidex. Hell, a little potassium, uva ursi, dandelion and a sweat belt during work outs will keep bloat down. Besides, you lose it a week after you stop anyway.

I would NEVER recommend fina.

If you're just looking to harden up and look sharp while dieting, the winny will work just fine. But don't exceed 50 mgs of the orals. It'll do a number on your liver and lipids. (Actually, even the injectable is bad for your LDL).

It's not so much the bloat that's the reason to avoid aromatizing steroids when cutting, but the reason behind the bloat. If I'm cutting, I don't want a ton of extra circulating estrogen making me hold more fat. I want estrogen to be down pretty low because it makes me store stubborn fat like hell, on cycle or off.

That's why non-aromatizing steroids like anavar, winny and fina, and minimally aromatizing compounds like eq are so popular for cutting.

Nelson Montana · May 31, 2003

Well, too much e is never good -- which is why I love Primo.

But a touch of it will help gains and improve libido -- which is why I love sus.

Mix the 2 together and you have "ULTRABOL."

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