Negativity need not apply/ Assistance request

[pharmagrade89]

Hello, new guy to this blog , have read lots , learned lots and eager for knowledge. Question for those that know a thing or two on sub and cycles. Situation , In hand - 2 10ml winnys 100mg/ml and 1 50ml liquid oral dbol 50mg/ml. Out of cash and I have what I have , no room to buy test, which WILL def be suggested.
Have ran a liquid oral dbol cycle for 10 weeks at 50mg a day spread out 3x daily. Blood levels fine , no sides some how. Sometimes erection problems , no biggie. How can I make this gear work . Can the dbol work as a test p substitute ? Run the winny at 50 mg each day on the dbol and get results? Or is it counter active ? A cutter and bulker ran together? I mean is it possible to maximizemy potential with the dbol under the winny. The winny is goingto dry me out hard core , while the dbol stacks hardcore. I mean their at two different ends of the spectrum which should be fine . Any thoughts? Again ..If I hear about test as a base ill loss it for serious. I don't have test and cant get it ...simple. Tell me how to make what I have work ,I would really appreciate it . Btw- gains from dbol as of now.

Week 1- 149 pounds 4 percent bf-flat max of 185
Week 10-178 pounds 9 percent bf- flat max of 325

 

[stevesmi]

so you ran dbol for 10 weeks with no base and put on 30 pounds of water weight and fat. what do you think happens when you come off?

what are you asking exactly anyway, you want to run another 10 weeks of dbol and winny? 20 weeks straight of orals with no break? i'm very confused at what you are asking.

also you went from 185 to 315 on bench.. that is a ridiculous increase and i hope its not true or else your ligaments and tendons are grass.

i hope other young newbs are reading this, this is NOT the way to run steroids people

obviously by your title you knew the answer to your question, but on EF we don't sugar coat things.. safety comes first on here

i have a question for you though, you said "i read lots" where the heck did you do your research? and when your bench was going up 13 pounds a week did u wonder what kind of long term damage you were doing to your soft tissues? this might come off as being negative but you can really fuck yourself up doing what you did. soft tissues take a long time to catch up to muscle and fat.

 

[SpyWizard]

mmm never mind...per your request..

 

[Jbranken]

Drop everything, pct, research. In that order












...test base

 

[pharmagrade89]

well I don't know what my question is I suppose. I am new to this entirely . I unfortuantly took a leap , did a ton of dbol with no pct. Have keep all my weight, and yes it is true. The increase is no bs . I go harder at the gym than 90 percent of people alive im sure. Have been out of prison for a good 8 months. 5k cal a day and 220 g protein daily. I don't think you understand. I hate people such as yourself, you obviously are unknowledgeable in the facts of HARD WORK and dbol and correct diet and 6 miles a day cardio . Regardless.. A good cycle is based on test, duh brah . Can the dbol be a test substitute ? So that I can use it as the base of my winny ? is that more clear?

 

[pharmagrade89]

Ridiculous increase ? A shame to those that would fell accomplished with anything less than amazing results ? How is that those that have ran stand alone dbol and worked hard can agree , but those that have only read about it have such negative ops?

 

[rutdipper]

well I don't know what my question is I suppose. I am new to this entirely . I unfortuantly took a leap , did a ton of dbol with no pct. Have keep all my weight, and yes it is true. The increase is no bs . I go harder at the gym than 90 percent of people alive im sure. Have been out of prison for a good 8 months. 5k cal a day and 220 g protein daily. I don't think you understand. I hate people such as yourself, you obviously are unknowledgeable in the facts of HARD WORK and dbol and correct diet and 6 miles a day cardio . Regardless.. A good cycle is based on test, duh brah . Can the dbol be a test substitute ? So that I can use it as the base of my winny ? is that more clear?

This cracks me up....with your attitude I can see why you ended up in prison, & yes I can say that...because I have a brother in prison and I know the types of personalities in there.

And with your strength going up so quickly & you "going hard" in the gym as you say, your body is going to pay the price, but you'll find out the hard way soon enough.

And to answer your question, no dbol is not at all a substitute for Test.

 

[Jbranken]

Yea you're right about that. We've only read about dbol and other steroids. We've never actually done them. Teach me how to dbol pls

 

[Jbranken]

 

[stevesmi]

Ridiculous increase ? A shame to those that would fell accomplished with anything less than amazing results ? How is that those that have ran stand alone dbol and worked hard can agree , but those that have only read about it have such negative ops?

look kid.. i've run plenty of dbol in my life. you aren't special for putting on a bunch of water and fat in 10 weeks overdosing on dbol. i can take any skinny malnourished 140 pound kid and put them on a high dbol dose for that long and they would have the same results. no you won't keep your gains after this because you had no base to begin with.

improving your bench that much isn't something to be proud of in my book. it just means you were so below your genetic potential that you touched some weights/steroids and easily put on strength. its not what you put on while on its how much you keep. remember that.

you should get in touch with criminal10dinc, he and you would get along great.

your problem is you do not understand how the human body works and the long term problems you are gonna run into. i posted above exactly the issues that would arise. your best case scenario is you come off keep a few net pounds and your HPTA recovers with no liver problems. but that is only your best case.

the body IS NOT capable of supporting such a weight and strength increase in such a short time. we aren't robots. you could of done this the right way and over the course of a year or two did what you accomplished NATURALLY and i would have shaken your hand for it.

people like you are what make steroids illegal for the rest of us and its a damn shame.

 

[pharmagrade89]

LMFAO typical meat heads and their stuck up fucking atts , fuck you , I ended up in prison for racing ? Fortunately no detail need apply as it is none of your business. All I asked for was a way to work with what I got ? A kid ? as I told guys your size and with your " God Like" attitudes in prison , if you see a kid , smack him , as I chocked their oversized asses the fuck out. 149 was a cutting weight I CHOOSE to start with, I was an easy 230 when I played college ball . I just got some dbol, messed around , here I am . So don't act like you know were I came from in life with statements such as " Played with some weights" . This is not my first rodeo dum ass . Thanks for the complete determent of ever using this board again . Appreciate it .

 

[pharmagrade89]

This cracks me up....with your attitude I can see why you ended up in prison, & yes I can say that...because I have a brother in prison and I know the types of personalities in there.

And with your strength going up so quickly & you "going hard" in the gym as you say, your body is going to pay the price, but you'll find out the hard way soon enough.

And to answer your question, no dbol is not at all a substitute for Test.

Please tell me what has inclined the statement that " my attitude " had anything to do with prison ? I asked a few questions with a little background information and statements. Nothing in my post says " hey I am an asshole hellion of a young man who says fuck everything im reckless ? I am just ultimately confused with your diagnostics of my personality and attitude? On what criteria are you basing your judgments >? Because I made mistakes in life? Your a moron ..I would be greatly excited for the opportunity to carry a conversation with you face to face. I apologize for my lack of knowledge in this field. Perhaps you can communicate with me on a more formal venue ? Educate me? Instead you belittle me and attack me personally .

 

[stevesmi]

you know what i'm not gonna ban you. because i am hoping you clean up your shitty attitude and sit back and learn a thing or two from here. so far you sound like you aren't willing to listen to a thing. makes me wonder why even come here seeking help?

PS. don't threaten one of our members on here again. just cause you are a 140 pound skinny guy with small man syndrome doesn't give you the right to come in our house and shit everywhere. so clean up your fucking attitude or i will show you the door

I like to allow these types of threads once in a while cause its good to show other newbs what NOT to do. see how this guy has roid rage? this is what happens when you are immature and juicing.. why we don't let those under 21 post in AAS.

 

[pharmagrade89]

178 sir , chosen weight , college ball player, was 230 plus...got down to 149 from a surgery. So no little man syn here bro , And I am willing to learn , I just don't want my character to receive detriment due to questions you "Professionals" may find silly. I can seeking knowledge , asked how to make this work , instead " Little man " Kid" Play with weights" Why you went to prison " are the statements I receive , so my question is " Its not ok for me to shit on you ? But it is ok for you to shit on me? Life is a two way street my friend . Ban me , I can care less than you imagine, Pixels mean about as much to me as these ridiculous statements about me and my character. I just want knowledge , a little bit of friendship , and a community that is not so judgmental towards past mistakes. Life goes on so why live in the past? I just needed help , not to be put down any further than I already fell . Thanks for that.

 

[rutdipper]

Please tell me what has inclined the statement that " my attitude " had anything to do with prison ? I asked a few questions with a little background information and statements. Nothing in my post says " hey I am an asshole hellion of a young man who says fuck everything im reckless ? I am just ultimately confused with your diagnostics of my personality and attitude? On what criteria are you basing your judgments >? Because I made mistakes in life? Your a moron ..I would be greatly excited for the opportunity to carry a conversation with you face to face. I apologize for my lack of knowledge in this field. Perhaps you can communicate with me on a more formal venue ? Educate me? Instead you belittle me and attack me personally .

First off what was your reason to even bring up the fact that you were in prison?...huh???... that had nothing to do with your question at all. Your just another dimwit who thinks becuase they spent some jail time that there automatically tough guys now.

Cutting from 230 to 149?......sure


And what statement did you make that showed me your personality.....how about this one. "I hate people such as yourself, you obviously are unknowledgeable in the facts of HARD WORK and dbol and correct diet and 6 miles a day cardio"

That was said to one of the most knowledgable people on this site who gave you the best advice possible in his reply to you, but you refuse to listen to advice.

And don't worry I'm not a mod...just a respectful standard member here to learn. Something you should try sometime.

 

[Jbranken]

You have to understand that this community is very bitter towards people who abuse steroids. Its the main reason that steroids are forever banned/illegal and their name will always be tarnished. To answer your question, Dbol won't work as a test base.

 

[Jbranken]

You have to understand that this community is very bitter towards people who abuse steroids. Its the main reason that steroids are forever banned/illegal and their name will always be tarnished. To answer your question, Dbol won't work as a test base.

 

[buddhabuilder]

Can I borderline personality?

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I don't care who you are or how much you train or weigh or shit or whatever. Your not getting any advice to make the best of it with what you have because what you have makes for a shit cycle. If you did your research you would have made smarter purchases to begin with.

 

[-SD-]

You keep rambling on about useless shit but you arent saying anything. Your next post should be:
"Hey guys sorry about my clusterfuck of an initial post and the useless attitude that I gave after I got questioned, i would like to just know how to do XYZ"

You can do it, I have faith.

 

[stevesmi]

You have to understand that this community is very bitter towards people who abuse steroids. Its the main reason that steroids are forever banned/illegal and their name will always be tarnished. To answer your question, Dbol won't work as a test base.

i saw a video of an old school lifter who said they used to make fun of guys in the gym who would juice without putting in the sweat and blood. now you got 18 year olds juicing who have those bird chests, skinny arms and wife beaters.. i'm sure you all know what i'm talking about.