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Briweve, you must have some estragen present to develop gyno. The nolva will help in this regard, and should offset the negative effects on one's lipid profiles from this combination.
The winstrol will help as well. It does seem to exhibit some anti-progestin effects, and I've noticed that 10 mg a day is enough to clear up any puffiness in the nips when using tren for me. Also bear in mind that the latest research shows that AR;s upregulate based on dose when using supralogical doses of aas. Tren has an extremly high affinity for AR's (3.5 times that of testosterone), while winstrol has a very low affinity, and stays in the bloodstream much longer due to its 17-aa nature. The winstrol will cause additional upregulation, which will give the tren more receptors that it prefers to bind too, rather than cross-binding with other receptors (which cause many if its side effects), and due to the hugh difference in affinity for the AR's, the tren will tend to win if the two compounds are repeating for the same receptors, thus you have two different methods by which stano can reduce tren side effects. Its a perfect cutting combination. If you can afford a little proviron it works very will with the stack as well, although winstrol does mimic many of its positive effects.
The winstrol will help as well. It does seem to exhibit some anti-progestin effects, and I've noticed that 10 mg a day is enough to clear up any puffiness in the nips when using tren for me. Also bear in mind that the latest research shows that AR;s upregulate based on dose when using supralogical doses of aas. Tren has an extremly high affinity for AR's (3.5 times that of testosterone), while winstrol has a very low affinity, and stays in the bloodstream much longer due to its 17-aa nature. The winstrol will cause additional upregulation, which will give the tren more receptors that it prefers to bind too, rather than cross-binding with other receptors (which cause many if its side effects), and due to the hugh difference in affinity for the AR's, the tren will tend to win if the two compounds are repeating for the same receptors, thus you have two different methods by which stano can reduce tren side effects. Its a perfect cutting combination. If you can afford a little proviron it works very will with the stack as well, although winstrol does mimic many of its positive effects.
I was planning on running hcg throughout, 2x/week and hoping that I wouldn't get too shut down. The reason I didn't include prop in my original cycle plan is that I am trying to reduce the chances fo gyno as low as possible, and figured having an aromatizing compound in there would just make things worse. I guess I could use some l-dex or famera to controll that.
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Aromasin is some good shit bro. Don't get letro as it has been shown hurt the effects of tamoxifen. If ask around you'll find a good liquid form of this stuff. Might as well get bromo too to pretty much guarantee a breast-less cycle.
Body By Finaplix- After reading your review, I agreed with you and did some studing and looked at some of Nand12 post on the subject. I agree on many things like Novla helping your profile ect., but I really can't understand how Estrogen would be a problem if your on a Fina and Winny Cycle. I mean Fina is very active 3:1 on AR but also binds to PR's. And when that happens the HPTA is effected and you crash, producing very little test. And we know Winny has some anti-progestin effects. So where does the Estrogen come from to either cause Gyno or increase Prolactin enough to create Gyno.
Now I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just trying to get someone to help me understand, because we know that people that use Deca and A-bombs can get Gyno, but I thought it was caused to Progestrone, not Estrogen. Am I making any sense. Nand12 says that Nolva at 10mg, stops Estrogen that increase Prolactin, stopping Gyno, If I read correctly. But again where does the Estrogen come from. In special circumstances does the body convert Progestrone to Estrogen? Do people that have Gyno from Fina, already have high Levels of Estrogen or Prolactin in there body?
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Now I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just trying to get someone to help me understand, because we know that people that use Deca and A-bombs can get Gyno, but I thought it was caused to Progestrone, not Estrogen. Am I making any sense. Nand12 says that Nolva at 10mg, stops Estrogen that increase Prolactin, stopping Gyno, If I read correctly. But again where does the Estrogen come from. In special circumstances does the body convert Progestrone to Estrogen? Do people that have Gyno from Fina, already have high Levels of Estrogen or Prolactin in there body?
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Briweve, there will be some estragen in your body even on non-aromatising aas, even in the even of heavy htpa suppression. As far as progesterone converting into estragen, I don't know. I'll look into that. Progestins (such as tren and nandrolone) can increase estragen receptor sensitivity, which would make even a small amount of estragen more effective. At his dose of tren, the winstrol should be sufficient to prevent gyno, however a tren/winstrol only cycle will have a very negative effect on one's lipid profiles, and the nolva should help to alleviate this problem. There are some guru's who have theories that trenbolone can be a weak agonist for ER's in some individuals, in which case nolva would be a godsend for such people in preventing gyno.
jubei, if you are going to stack hcg in with your tren (which I don't like the idea of) you would be wise to use aromasin or letro in addition to the novadex. hcg will greatly elevate estragen levels, and this is not desirable when on tren. It will also defeat the purpose of a tren/winstrol stack, since I assume you are lookign for pure lbm gains with no water retention, and increased density from such a stack.
jubei, if you are going to stack hcg in with your tren (which I don't like the idea of) you would be wise to use aromasin or letro in addition to the novadex. hcg will greatly elevate estragen levels, and this is not desirable when on tren. It will also defeat the purpose of a tren/winstrol stack, since I assume you are lookign for pure lbm gains with no water retention, and increased density from such a stack.
