Need some suggestions

[life_is_good]

Need some suggestions please

Im new to this board and also new to gear. I am interested in doing one or two cycles to help get me where I want. I have no problem maintaining just getting there. I have been training for about 4 years on/off, one year serious. I have gotten good results due to training and diet (not the BEST but good). I am 5'9" 170lbs 11-13% bf. I use to be 180lbs 18-20%bf. I am interested in doing Winstrol but i keep getting mixed signals from this board and other forums as well. I would like to get a little more size, not much, but more cut. I will answer any questions if it may help you in helping me. Thanks for your time.

 

[H_T_]

you'll be disappointed by anything you run by itself other than a long acting testosterone. 400mg of test a week with a couple auxillary or complimentary aids will do you much more of a service than winny alone. and you'd have to be hitting the win everyday. 100mg, to see any results, imo.

 

[life_is_good]

may sound strange but like i mentioned this is all new to me, explain what would be a good "couple auxillary or complimentary aids"? dont really want to take test but i will if i have to. hate to sound elementary but im being honest and truley want to understand this before i jump in. thanks in advance.

 

[H_T_]

may sound strange but like i mentioned this is all new to me, explain what would be a good "couple auxillary or complimentary aids"? dont really want to take test but i will if i have to. hate to sound elementary but im being honest and truley want to understand this before i jump in. thanks in advance.

winstrol will bring you less than test. that being said, i was talking about an anti-estogen and maybe a fat burner of sorts. now, since i answered you, answer this, why do you insist on not taking test? because someone has told not to...

 

[xrsist]

you might need to study some more bro, cutting comes down to diet and cardio, you might wanna get your diet in check along with plenty of cardio first bro. winstrol only cycle will only make you wish you never did it.

 

[Mac173]

you might need to study some more bro, cutting comes down to diet and cardio, you might wanna get your diet in check along with plenty of cardio first bro. winstrol only cycle will only make you wish you never did it.

Yep.
Training for only 1yr seriously is not enough time to start thinking about AAS.
Hell after 1yr I didn't even know how to eat right let alone start putting needles in my ass.

 

[life_is_good]

to be honest the shop i deal with is owned a well versed guy and when i asked him about taking test he asked me if i was aggressive and i said yes, he then told me it would make me more aggressive. thats when i decided to not take it. i will do what ever it takes within reason to get the best results. hope this helps. thanks

 

[Mac173]

to be honest the shop i deal with is owned a well versed guy and when i asked him about taking test he asked me if i was aggressive and i said yes, he then told me it would make me more aggressive. thats when i decided to not take it. i will do what ever it takes within reason to get the best results. hope this helps. thanks

That's funny.

 

[H_T_]

to be honest the shop i deal with is owned a well versed guy and when i asked him about taking test he asked me if i was aggressive and i said yes, he then told me it would make me more aggressive. thats when i decided to not take it. i will do what ever it takes within reason to get the best results. hope this helps. thanks

fuck it. sounds like a genius to me. having testicles will make you aggressive...

 

[H_T_]

i get really irritated when i hear fucking nonsensical bullshit. people can't be that fucking stupid. i just refuse to believe it....

 

[xrsist]

to be honest the shop i deal with is owned a well versed guy and when i asked him about taking test he asked me if i was aggressive and i said yes, he then told me it would make me more aggressive. thats when i decided to not take it. i will do what ever it takes within reason to get the best results. hope this helps. thanks

 

[life_is_good]

i get really irritated when i hear fucking nonsensical bullshit. people can't be that fucking stupid. i just refuse to believe it....

so thats a bunch of bullshit? this is new to me. i have stuck to training, dieting, protein shakes and thats all. wanted to do it all natural. didnt want to be looked as a moron just not educated in this field. i get mixed info from all over so thats why im here.

 

[Mac173]

so thats a bunch of bullshit? this is new to me. i have stuck to training, dieting, protein shakes and thats all. wanted to do it all natural. didnt want to be looked as a moron just not educated in this field. i get mixed info from all over so thats why im here.

Have you ever heard of "stereotypes"
Of course there is the potential for increased aggresiveness since most guys are increasing the testosterone in their body 10 fold, but is it anything to worry about, most of the time not.

 

[genman]

to be honest the shop i deal with is owned a well versed guy and when i asked him about taking test he asked me if i was aggressive and i said yes, he then told me it would make me more aggressive. thats when i decided to not take it. i will do what ever it takes within reason to get the best results. hope this helps. thanks

Then I would take tren A only, 500mg/ew. It actually lowers agression and sides are minimal.

Seriously, please read and learn more. You are not ready. We are not flaming you, but you need to know what to look for, what risks you are taking and what you need to prevent sides.

 

[life_is_good]

i agree i need to learn more, thats the main reason i came here. i will take suggestions from people who seem to be more informed. to be honest, i have been brousing this board for a while and people are saying different thinhs about winstrol. some praise it and claim great fat loss and cut. others claim it is not for fat loss and cut. this shit is confusing. secondly, the stacks people suggest gets flamed on and praised too. i dont have plans on doing this soon but in the near future i may.

 

[Mac173]

Then I would take tren A only, 500mg/ew. It actually lowers agression and sides are minimal.

Seriously, please read and learn more. You are not ready. We are not flaming you, but you need to know what to look for, what risks you are taking and what you need to prevent sides.

Don't say that, he may beleive you.
Tren may be the exception when talking about aggresivness.
I feel like running people off the road on that shit for not using a turn signal.

 

[xrsist]

Don't say that, he may beleive you.
Tren may be the exception when talking about aggresivness.
I feel like running people off the road on that shit for not using a turn signal.

im not driving in pensylvania anytime soon then... plus you guys drive on the wrong side of the road anyway

 

[njmuscleguy]

As with anything, you're going to get a dozen different opinions, a dozen different experiences, and dozens more recommendations. It's enough to drive you crazy when you're a newbie... don't get discouraged... just soak it all in, especially from those that seem to know what they're talking about...there are a few of them hanging around here

That being said, a simpe test-only cycle (low to moderate dosage) along with an anti-estrogen (arimidex or aromasin) is a great way to start off... but being that your goal is to stay lean and hard, your diet must be so that you can achieve that goal. Cardio too. Once you have this cycle under your belt, you can decide if you want to run it again, or even add other types of AAS that can help with your goal.

Ask as many questions as you need to, we're here to help - good luck!

 

[st8grad]

to be honest the shop i deal with is owned a well versed guy and when i asked him about taking test he asked me if i was aggressive and i said yes, he then told me it would make me more aggressive. thats when i decided to not take it. i will do what ever it takes within reason to get the best results. hope this helps. thanks

Aggressive? THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT! Since when does fucking test make you fucking aggessive?

Oh, wait, sorry. That must have been the test. Don't worry dude, the test will make you more assertive and confident and yes a little more aggressive, but you won't be ripping peoples heads off for no reason. Listen to the advice of these other guys. They know of what they speak. The shop? Is it the Roid Store?

 

[needtogetaas]

i get really irritated when i hear fucking nonsensical bullshit. people can't be that fucking stupid. i just refuse to believe it....

test rage.lol

 

[Mac173]

im not driving in pensylvania anytime soon then... plus you guys drive on the wrong side of the road anyway

I'll let you know when I'm on the tren, so you can stay away.

 

[airsmith2k]

everyone always tells the newbies they are not ready and to research more.....researching is great but u need to actually juice to understand it more and to learn more about it....just reading article after article isnt as good as first hand experience.......i read alot about it before i started and i realize now that i didnt really know shit for the first year i did it

 

[Mac173]

everyone always tells the newbies they are not ready and to research more.....researching is great but u need to actually juice to understand it more and to learn more about it....just reading article after article isnt as good as first hand experience.......i read alot about it before i started and i realize now that i didnt really know shit for the first year i did it

To a point you're correct.
The basics must be in place though.
Diet, training, injection practices,dosages sides......

 

[krbn08]

so thats a bunch of bullshit? this is new to me. i have stuck to training, dieting, protein shakes and thats all. wanted to do it all natural. didnt want to be looked as a moron just not educated in this field. i get mixed info from all over so thats why im here.

Have you ever tried creatine, glutamine, Arginine, zma's or anything like that yet?

Or is protein the only supplement you've used so far?

 

[life_is_good]

Have you ever tried creatine, glutamine, Arginine, zma's or anything like that yet?

Or is protein the only supplement you've used so far?

i have tried creatine but i didnt like the water weight, i use glutamine now, i add it to shakes, thats all. im currently taking CLA 3x daily, whey isolate after workout, muscle milk 1 scoop before bed. i workout 5x/week.

mon- back/calves
tue- bi/tri. cardio 30min
wed- sholders/calves
thur- legs. cardio 30min
fri- chest/calves

i like this routine. tried multiple cycles but this one has done the best for me.

 

[Edwarda5]

Do some more research on what AAS are all about and get some general knowledge, before asking questions you will be a lot more comfortable when you actually start.
You also sound like you need some more experience in the gym before making this kind of a decision.
So my advice is study and train more before getting into AAS, you don't sound like you have enough knowledge on either right now.

 

[krbn08]

i have tried creatine but i didnt like the water weight, i use glutamine now, i add it to shakes, thats all. im currently taking CLA 3x daily, whey isolate after workout, muscle milk 1 scoop before bed. i workout 5x/week.

mon- back/calves
tue- bi/tri. cardio 30min
wed- sholders/calves
thur- legs. cardio 30min
fri- chest/calves

i like this routine. tried multiple cycles but this one has done the best for me.

Your workout looks fine and as long as it works for you and you see results, it's good.

From your first question/post on this thread, you said your stats right now are, 5'9" 170lbs 11-13% and that you want a little bit more muscle but alot more cut. Well as long as your gaining more muscle than fat, your winning. Lets say you gain 3 pounds of muscle and 1 pound of fat, in the end, you will look more cut than before and you'll have added size. As long as it's more muscle than fat your good. With that said, alot of people try to bulk and cut at the same time, which can work to an extent, but it's very hard and slower process for the muscle gain. I would bulk and then maintain the muscle while your cutting. Remember that for guys, there muscle actually holds some fat in the tissue, but for girls it's more of on top of the muscle. I don't really see a need for you to take any type of steroid just yet. Alot of people push for AAS right before summer because they want to get ripped, but don't rush it, it'll only hurt you in the end. I think supps are fine for you right now. Try caffeine before you run to burn fat. Also, you can run in the morning on an empty stomach and it will force your body to burn fat, then wait an hour afterwards before eat, and when you eat, eat clean and high protein. You'll see results. try BSN no-xplode before you run, it's great for energy and if you've never tried it before it adds a huge punch to your workouts.

 

[TM248]

i have tried creatine but i didnt like the water weight, i use glutamine now, i add it to shakes, thats all. im currently taking CLA 3x daily, whey isolate after workout, muscle milk 1 scoop before bed. i workout 5x/week.

mon- back/calves
tue- bi/tri. cardio 30min
wed- sholders/calves
thur- legs. cardio 30min
fri- chest/calves

i like this routine. tried multiple cycles but this one has done the best for me.

if you are bodybuilding... you forgot your forearms... may seen unnecessary but you'll notice a difference after some months like anything else. need to train the whole body... and read everything you can and ask questions on here from the reading you get on other sites...its helps a lot
good luck man

 

[life_is_good]

thanks for the suggestions and i agree i need to learn more about training and dieting. i usually work my forearms while i do bi's. this board has not seen the last of me. i will continue to do my reg routine and eat better but i want to try aas sometime.

 

[genman]

thanks for the suggestions and i agree i need to learn more about training and dieting. i usually work my forearms while i do bi's. this board has not seen the last of me. i will continue to do my reg routine and eat better but i want to try aas sometime.

That's a good approach. Come back when you're ready and these good bros will help you out. The sticky's and experiences here are invaluable. I started by looking up all the AAS profiles, half-lifes, result and sides. After I was comfortable with that info, I got some real life experience from guys like this. I took a while off (15 years) and came here to get updated information. Once you've shown that you are willing to do some leg work and learning on your own, these bros will help you all they can. Best of luck !

 

[TM248]

That's a good approach. Come back when you're ready and these good bros will help you out. The sticky's and experiences here are invaluable. I started by looking up all the AAS profiles, half-lifes, result and sides. After I was comfortable with that info, I got some real life experience from guys like this. I took a while off (15 years) and came here to get updated information. Once you've shown that you are willing to do some leg work and learning on your own, these bros will help you all they can. Best of luck !

exactly what i did ... looked up everything possible and if i had a question after researching it was answered here

 

[ironclaw]

Don't say that, he may beleive you.
Tren may be the exception when talking about aggresivness.
I feel like running people off the road on that shit for not using a turn signal.

tren is definitly the exception, I get irritated over simple shit on tren, while 1000 mg of test makes me happy and easy to get along with.