Need some info on dosages?

[Superfrk]

I am thinking of doing fina cycle as a first cycle. I have read alot of info on this and other boards and know it is not usualy recominded as a first cycle but I am reseaching all the info first so I can make the best dision based on my needs and on buget. I was thinking of useing cetabom (winstol 2mg), Clomid 50mg, Novadex 10mg, and possibly working in Adol 50 (han sol) or Deca Durbolin 50mg amp. If posible could someone sugest to me a cycle useing these so that can know how much I need of each. I do not want to rush into this and then find myself to shot on something that I will need. I am 190 and 5'9" am at close to 20% bf. Age 26.
Am looking to bulk up while making cuts by eating clean and with about 15 to 20 hr of cadio a weak. Thanks for any help, and sorry to be such a pain I am reading alot of info and need some help sorting it all.

 

[The Ranger]

Deca, Fina, Abombs...with a little winny.....ya think ya might see a few Progest. related sides from this stack...???

I think I'd look a little further into this one if I were you...My opinion though....

Ranger

 

[Bigtyme07]

First off iron bro bulking and cutting dont go hand in hand. First you do a bulking cycle then do a cutting cycle afterwards using your anabolics like winny, primobolan, clen, t3 etc.. And dont forget your Clomid after the bulking stage to jumpstart your body to start making its own test....

 

[Superfrk]

Ranger, I am sorry I did not make it clearer I want to do a fina/winy cycle I know there will be some sides so I want to make sure I have enough clomid and Nolvadex to deal with them. A friend has offered to give me 25 Adol 50 for free and I can get more for $.80 a pill. So I was wanting to now if I could work them in and How much I will need. I also found a source that offered Dec durabolin 50 mg for a box of 10 amps and thought that was decent price for money. I wanted to know if I could work in one or the other not both that would definatly be over the top. The deca and Adol were just a thought and are not requirements in the cycle. Just intrested if could be worked in in smaller doses. Thanks and sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[Superfrk]

Big what my intint was is to bulk while useing the properties of Fina and whinny to also lower my BF. I have read alot on this board and others were people that have used fina and whinny for bulking have also reported lowered BF at the same time. I do plan to eat , just do it very clean and and extra cardio

 

[Superfrk]

Bump more info plz

 

[Bigtyme07]

I see just remember that any androgens you take not only fat should be a concern but water retention too. Remember eating good and cardio doesnt reduce the water retention that much while on a strong androgen so you might not have alot of fat but water also clouds your hard ripped muscle. I always worry about being lean after bulking its really hard to do both at the same time but good luck with your quest...

 

[Judge Smales]

Nolva and clomid will not help w/ progesterone related sides. They are for estrogenic sides.

 

[THE BOUNCER]

DID HE SAY 15-20 HRS A WEEK OF CARDIO?

 

[Superfrk]

Yes 15 to 20 hrs of cardio. I do cardio 6 days a week that roughly 2.5 to three hrs a day. I do my cardio at a slower pace so that it stays aerbic making sure to keep it out of the anarobic ranges. In otherwords just slow enough that I can carry on a conversation while doing my cardio.

 

[brickshithouse4080]

split up your cardio if you absolutely must do that much. I assume you're hitting it in the same trip to the gym as your weight training. you should be eating every 2.5-3 hrs. cardio at this amount plus a weight session throws you over your allowable fasting period. diet is everything. better to miss a workout than a meal even. don't screw up your nutrient intake timing.

 

[Superfrk]

Judge Smales,

I thought huck had stated in a post that winny would compete with progesterone due to it useing the same recepters. That is one of the reasons I choose it for use with the fina, It was my understanding that it would help prevent or at lest minimise the affects of progesterone sides. The clomid would be for use at the end of cycle, I was going to use the nolva to limit estrogen effects. I don't mind if you tell me I'm wrong that is why I posted so that I can compare the info that I have found so that I can discern the most truth and have as safe and productive cycle as possible.

 

[panerai]

Anadrol and Fina is not very good stack, too many side effects. If you can get Anadrol for free, do it, then sell it, and get Testosteron. Fina/Test is very good stack, great stack, in a matter of fact. Add dbol for first few weeks and Winny for last few.
Deca and Fina can give you gyno from wich Nolvadex will not help. Also, Winny doesn't work for everyone, there're plenty of cases of guys getting gyno from Fina and using Winny in the same time.Besides Deca 50mg/ml is not so good, because you will have to inject yourself many times.
Also, Fina without Testosteron most likely will kill your libido.
For your first cycle I would suggest:
Test Enanthate(or any other long ester)- 500-750mg/week, for 10 weeks;
Fina 75mg/eod for 11 weeks;
Dbol 30mg/day for weeks 1-5;
Winny 25-50mg/day for weeks 6-11;
Clomid after.
And cut down on cardio.

 

[Superfrk]

panerai,

Looks great and thanks for the help, This is the problem I am new so sources are limited also on a medium buget. My source doesn't have any test right now. Would like to use fina/winny as base. Here is a list of items that I might could get for my cycle. I am writeing the entire list so plz fill free to put to gether combos for me based on fina winny cycle.

Anadrol 50
Anabol
nova
clomid
aldactone25
lasix
deca
comthryriod
menoferil
hcg
Accutane
Cetabon or Menabol
halotestin
provironum
Sustanon250
Fina
If I pool my sources this is what I could possibly get access to as you can see this limits some of my options for a cycle. Any help building my fina winny cycle from what I have to work with would be helpful

 

[panerai]

Sustanon 250 is Testosteron. Use it stacked with Anabol and Fina for first half of the cycle and substitude Anabol for Cetabon for second half.

 

[Superfrk]

Thanks, That sounds like a good plan thanks so much.