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stucazz

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Yes I'm a newby so patience please, my intentions are all good.

I will be starting a 1st cycle of Sustanon 250mg twice a week for 10 weeks. They tell me I have to use another injectable: Pregnyl to be exact. Does everyone agree with this? I thought Nolva and/or Clomid were all that's needed for PCT ? I'm totally confused now so please help. I want to start my cycle in a week possibly.
 
stucazz said:
Yes I'm a newby so patience please, my intentions are all good.

I will be starting a 1st cycle of Sustanon 250mg twice a week for 10 weeks. They tell me I have to use another injectable: Pregnyl to be exact. Does everyone agree with this? I thought Nolva and/or Clomid were all that's needed for PCT ? I'm totally confused now so please help. I want to start my cycle in a week possibly.
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sust for your first cycle is a good start...i would bring it down to 250/wk but 500 mgs would be good too...nolva on hand for gyno and pct and HCG for pct as well .. look something like this:


Wk 1 - 10 500 mg sust

For PCT I would use HCG and Nolva, Get 4500 iu's of HCG and make up 9 x 500 iu's shots. Start the HCG eod 1 week before you last shot of sust until the HCG is finnished. Then do your Nolva like this.

Week 13 40 mg Nolva
Week 14 - 15 20 mg Nolva
Week 16 10 mg Nolva
 
stucazz said:
Yes I'm a newby so patience please, my intentions are all good.

I will be starting a 1st cycle of Sustanon 250mg twice a week for 10 weeks. They tell me I have to use another injectable: Pregnyl to be exact. Does everyone agree with this? I thought Nolva and/or Clomid were all that's needed for PCT ? I'm totally confused now so please help. I want to start my cycle in a week possibly.
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They are referring to HCG which is for PCT. You'll be fine with just clomid and nolva.
 
Human Chorionic Gonadotropin

It's used to prevent testicular atrophy. Unused nuts tend to shrink. When trying to get back to normal, it's important to bring your boys back to normal size. Shrunken nuts produce less test than normal size nuts.
 
Ok so in short..... NO Pregnyl ???

How much Nolva and when to take? And is 100 mg Clomid the first day after the last shot, followed by 50mg ed thereafter for 3 weeks okay?
 
anthony518 said:
So if on Sust only, then you can get by with Nolvadex only for PCT?
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Can't say I agree with this. ALL steroids inhibit your body's ability to produce natural testosterone. After about 3 weeks, this causes your nuts to shut down. Perhaps a bit longer with compounds like var and primo, but they will eventually shut down none the less.
 
stucazz said:
Ok so in short..... NO Pregnyl ???

How much Nolva and when to take? And is 100 mg Clomid the first day after the last shot, followed by 50mg ed thereafter for 3 weeks okay?
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Yeah, you're really gonna be messed up with no HCG. Will take longer for your nuts to come back to size and you will lose more gains since they will be producing less test naturally. USE HCG FOR PCT AND MID-CYCLE.
 
If he has hcg, why not use it? It certainly not going to hurt him, and I don't care what anyones else's experience has been, cuz mine tells me 500mg of test for 10 weeks WILL shut you down. Could you come back online with just nolv./clom. ? Yes. Would you see better gainskeeping with hcg? No doubt. Use the hcg you have for what its made to do, namely pct recovery. Your original posts made it seem like you thought hcg was just another form of injectable gear.
 
If you're only using sust at 500 mgs/wk and it's your first cycle you'll be fine with clomid and nolva only. HCG won't hurt, but it's not a must at this stage of the game either.
 
I agree with makavelli, clomid and nolv will work fine. Personally, I have never used HCG and have been fine every time. Although, I have never stayed on longer than 12 weeks or used more than a gram a week because I haven't needed to. In those instances, I would prob use HCG just to make sure I got my natural levels up quick.
 
Makavelli said:
If you're only using sust at 500 mgs/wk and it's your first cycle you'll be fine with clomid and nolva only. HCG won't hurt, but it's not a must at this stage of the game either.
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He's right. first cycle of only 500mg week, you shouldn't need anti -E's but have nolva on hand. 100mg clomid ED or 20mg Nolva ED for pct. Read the PCT board and research before starting, and ALWAYS have your PCT on hand before starting the cycle
 
No need to use the HCG for a first cycle. It's fine to have on hand, and maybe you'll need it in the future, but why use it if you don't need it? I've done plenty of cycles, some over 1g/week, stayed on for 8 months straight once. Never used anything other than nolva for PCT, never took longer than 2 weeks to recover and never lost sex drive ever. Not everyone needs HCG, and I don't see any reason to put another drug in your system if you have no idea whether or not you need it yet. Just MO though, I don't believe it would *hurt* to use the HCG, but make sure to time it right and use nolva with it as it will spike your estrogen levels too.
 
idcbp said:
If he has hcg, why not use it? It certainly not going to hurt him, and I don't care what anyones else's experience has been, cuz mine tells me 500mg of test for 10 weeks WILL shut you down. Could you come back online with just nolv./clom. ? Yes. Would you see better gainskeeping with hcg? No doubt. Use the hcg you have for what its made to do, namely pct recovery. Your original posts made it seem like you thought hcg was just another form of injectable gear.
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Jesus man! I don't have any HCG, what is it??? Is it an injectable? If so how much do I need to inject each week, and what size needle do I need. I really need everyone to agree on at least one thing... that would be dandy. ;)
 
stucazz said:
Jesus man! I don't have any HCG, what is it??? Is it an injectable? If so how much do I need to inject each week, and what size needle do I need. I really need everyone to agree on at least one thing... that would be dandy. ;)
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No one is ever going to agree on anything. The guys who state that you won't be shutdown are giving an opinion. My opinion is that 500mg will shut you down. I don't understand the constant references to this being his first cycle, b/c thats got little if anything to do with his nat. test production & suppression. Are you guys suggesting he might need hcg if he had more cycles under his belt? Additionally, we've all come off test, particulalrly sust., with limited to no pct and its definietly a forgiving compound. That said, for those who have had good pct experiences with only clom/nolv., have you also recovered using hcg as well? I've done it both ways, often times when I didn't even think I was badly shutdown, and almost every instance saw improved gains and strength keeping when the hcg was utilized. Many times with hcg, all I drop was the water and almost no strength. Thats worth the cost of a cheap entree at outback in my book. Thats been my experience.

Stu, not trying to bust your balls too bad but you really haven't put alot of time or thought into this cycle if you have come this far and still don't have a clue what hcg is. Do a search instead of complaining b/c you expect us to agree on something as individual as how your endocrine system will respond to 500mg of exogeneous testosterone. If you approach this board expecting consesus and think that this is the way to map your path, absent of individual research, you're gonna be disappointed. Go to any web profile and look up hcg. Thats a start.
 
I was just wondering...why no advice on pyramid cycles? Stu sounds either young, inexperienced, or both. But pyramiding your cycles allows your body to naturally adjust at the begining and the end of your cycle by tapering off without sides. If you can't wait for gains and want an instant transformation, then go crazy with all different meds because you will need some sort of protection from bitch tits and all the other beautiful sides with the massive amounts of gear being used. I would be wary of telling a newbie to take more meds rather than focusing on appropriate ways of cycling to gain experience. Then he can become familiar with the different avenues of cycles. Lets try to keep the noobs safe. Maybe I'm wrong.
 
toxicsambo said:
I was just wondering...why no advice on pyramid cycles? Stu sounds either young, inexperienced, or both. But pyramiding your cycles allows your body to naturally adjust at the begining and the end of your cycle by tapering off without sides. If you can't wait for gains and want an instant transformation, then go crazy with all different meds because you will need some sort of protection from bitch tits and all the other beautiful sides with the massive amounts of gear being used. I would be wary of telling a newbie to take more meds rather than focusing on appropriate ways of cycling to gain experience. Then he can become familiar with the different avenues of cycles. Lets try to keep the noobs safe. Maybe I'm wrong.
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I agree with the idea that less is more with novices. Still, they need to understand anti-estros and pct completely before cycling. Sust. will taper on its own much like the end of a pyramid and yes he might not need anti-estros. Then again, I know I would even at those dosages, so before I start a cycle I'd better atleast know what they are and have them incase they are needed. Any cycle will be a better cycle if you recover faster and more completely. I beleive hcg would aid this, and I don't see too much downside. Its low cost and relatively harmless, save estro issues. I guess I'm of the beliefe that there should be a reason not to use it, b/c it does improve nat. test response and this will be depressed to some degree.
 
idcbp said:
No one is ever going to agree on anything. The guys who state that you won't be shutdown are giving an opinion. My opinion is that 500mg will shut you down. I don't understand the constant references to this being his first cycle, b/c thats got little if anything to do with his nat. test production & suppression. Are you guys suggesting he might need hcg if he had more cycles under his belt? Additionally, we've all come off test, particulalrly sust., with limited to no pct and its definietly a forgiving compound. That said, for those who have had good pct experiences with only clom/nolv., have you also recovered using hcg as well? I've done it both ways, often times when I didn't even think I was badly shutdown, and almost every instance saw improved gains and strength keeping when the hcg was utilized. Many times with hcg, all I drop was the water and almost no strength. Thats worth the cost of a cheap entree at outback in my book. Thats been my experience.

Any AAS used above what the body naturally produces will shut you down. That's not what I was saying. It's well known that you're body bounces back to normal quicker when you've never done a cycle before. I think HCG is very useful. Like I said before it won't hurt to use it, but not absolutely necessary.
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Makavelli said:
idcbp said:
No one is ever going to agree on anything. The guys who state that you won't be shutdown are giving an opinion. My opinion is that 500mg will shut you down. I don't understand the constant references to this being his first cycle, b/c thats got little if anything to do with his nat. test production & suppression. Are you guys suggesting he might need hcg if he had more cycles under his belt? Additionally, we've all come off test, particulalrly sust., with limited to no pct and its definietly a forgiving compound. That said, for those who have had good pct experiences with only clom/nolv., have you also recovered using hcg as well? I've done it both ways, often times when I didn't even think I was badly shutdown, and almost every instance saw improved gains and strength keeping when the hcg was utilized. Many times with hcg, all I drop was the water and almost no strength. Thats worth the cost of a cheap entree at outback in my book. Thats been my experience.

Any AAS used above what the body naturally produces will shut you down. That's not what I was saying. It's well known that you're body bounces back to normal quicker when you've never done a cycle before. I think HCG is very useful. Like I said before it won't hurt to use it, but not absolutely necessary.
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As is usually the case, we're in complete agreement..not a necessity but couldn't hurt. Like I said originally, I've recovered nicely with no pct off sust., so I understand your position that its not an absolute necessity. I had thought he had brought it up b/c he had it, and if someone has hcg, I say use it. Most of my arguements afterward, were just supporting where I was coming from. Seems like we are hotly debating an issue, when the guy who ask the question doesn't even know what the issue is though, thats what was a little frustrating.
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idcbp said:
As is usually the case, we're in complete agreement..not a necessity but couldn't hurt. Like I said originally, I've recovered nicely with no pct off sust., so I understand your position that its not an absolute necessity. I had thought he had brought it up b/c he had it, and if someone has hcg, I say use it. Most of my arguements afterward, were just supporting where I was coming from. Seems like we are hotly debating an issue, when the guy who ask the question doesn't even know what the issue is though, thats what was a little frustrating.
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Right on brotha! I don't think he knows the issue either... :rolleyes:
 
idcbp said:
No one is ever going to agree on anything. The guys who state that you won't be shutdown are giving an opinion. My opinion is that 500mg will shut you down. I don't understand the constant references to this being his first cycle, b/c thats got little if anything to do with his nat. test production & suppression. Are you guys suggesting he might need hcg if he had more cycles under his belt? Additionally, we've all come off test, particulalrly sust., with limited to no pct and its definietly a forgiving compound. That said, for those who have had good pct experiences with only clom/nolv., have you also recovered using hcg as well? I've done it both ways, often times when I didn't even think I was badly shutdown, and almost every instance saw improved gains and strength keeping when the hcg was utilized. Many times with hcg, all I drop was the water and almost no strength. Thats worth the cost of a cheap entree at outback in my book. Thats been my experience.

Stu, not trying to bust your balls too bad but you really haven't put alot of time or thought into this cycle if you have come this far and still don't have a clue what hcg is. Do a search instead of complaining b/c you expect us to agree on something as individual as how your endocrine system will respond to 500mg of exogeneous testosterone. If you approach this board expecting consesus and think that this is the way to map your path, absent of individual research, you're gonna be disappointed. Go to any web profile and look up hcg. Thats a start.
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Don't worry, I'm not offended. I totally understand what you're saying and completely agree. In truth, you must also realize that every bodybuilder's opinion is different with each having had different and even contraddicting experiences due to every body responding differently to gear. I have been researching for a couple of months at various boards, and I must say that people in this board are much more helpful than most. While asking my many questions, although I had been told about proper PCT and the importance of Nolva/Clomid after a cycle, no one before now had ever mentioned to me the use of an injectable to stabilize the testosterone levels, during or coming off a cycle. I hope you can understand why someone starting out on gear might be a bit confused? I'm sure all you guys have been there before.... ?
I turned 42 this month, and the only other experience i've had has been with a six week dbol only cycle, starting with a 15mg x day and worked up to 45mg x day for the last 2 weeks. In total I took about 200 of the 5mg Nutrapin, however I also realize that wasn't the best cycle and my diet was poor in calories, still I managed to put on 15lbs and keep them. I did not do any pct with that cycle and I did notice my sexual performance drop a bit but not enough that the wife would notice. My testicles remained the same and I did not notice any shrinkage, no bitch tits either.
In any case I am willing to add Pregnyl or something like it to offset the various negative symptoms of the Sust, of course I would still need to know the correct dose(like how many mg's, frequency and wether or not it should be combined in same syringe with the Sust)for this particular cycle(Sust 500mg x week)as well any Nolva or Clomid I may need. Oh, for the record I just turned 42 this month and going strong. I am very determined to do this as I already have Sust, some Dbol and Clomid on hand. Thanks again guys for all your continued advice.
 
A friend of mine did 8 week of 250 sust ever 5 day. He said his nuts where like tic-tacs and took a long time to go back with no hcg. So i would go with it if you can. Jenitic is the guy to go to for pct info. He says you need it with test. Try looking over some of his thread. Ask around, people will tell you he knows his stuff.
 
BigTmMan009 said:
A friend of mine did 8 week of 250 sust ever 5 day. He said his nuts where like tic-tacs and took a long time to go back with no hcg. So i would go with it if you can. Jenitic is the guy to go to for pct info. He says you need it with test. Try looking over some of his thread. Ask around, people will tell you he knows his stuff.
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Jenetic knows his stuff. I would use the HCG if you have it or can get it. There are lots of theories on how to use the HCG. I use it like this. In my last week of shots I use 3000 IU's on Thursday. Then 5 days later I do the same. 5 days later I use 2000. 5 days later I do another 2000. I start the clomid 1 week after my last shot of AAS. I always do my shots on Sundays, so if I took my last shot on Sunday, I'd start the clomid the following Sunday. Always run the clomid at least 2 weeks after stopping the HCG. HCG can actually keep your balls shut down. Hope that helps.
 
idcbp said:
No one is ever going to agree on anything. The guys who state that you won't be shutdown are giving an opinion. My opinion is that 500mg will shut you down. I don't understand the constant references to this being his first cycle, b/c thats got little if anything to do with his nat. test production & suppression. Are you guys suggesting he might need hcg if he had more cycles under his belt? Additionally, we've all come off test, particulalrly sust., with limited to no pct and its definietly a forgiving compound. That said, for those who have had good pct experiences with only clom/nolv., have you also recovered using hcg as well? I've done it both ways, often times when I didn't even think I was badly shutdown, and almost every instance saw improved gains and strength keeping when the hcg was utilized. Many times with hcg, all I drop was the water and almost no strength. Thats worth the cost of a cheap entree at outback in my book. Thats been my experience.

Stu, not trying to bust your balls too bad but you really haven't put alot of time or thought into this cycle if you have come this far and still don't have a clue what hcg is. Do a search instead of complaining b/c you expect us to agree on something as individual as how your endocrine system will respond to 500mg of exogeneous testosterone. If you approach this board expecting consesus and think that this is the way to map your path, absent of individual research, you're gonna be disappointed. Go to any web profile and look up hcg. Thats a start.
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Great answer, I learned this quickly from you guys. Research,Research
 
stucazz said:
Jesus man! I don't have any HCG, what is it??? Is it an injectable? If so how much do I need to inject each week, and what size needle do I need. I really need everyone to agree on at least one thing... that would be dandy. ;)
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HCG = Pregnyl (Brand) It helps to get ya nuts back to size after cycling. Its an injectable that has to be mixed when ready to use it.
 
anthony518 said:
So if on Sust only, then you can get by with Nolvadex only for PCT?
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Yea really don't need HCG for your first cycle, especially if its only 10 weeker and one compound @ 500mg ew. Just don't make it a habit of not taking it in the future when your cycles become more complex and longer. I'll take it from here on out after 1 year of usage. Nolva and Clom. are just fine for this guy.
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
Yea really don't need HCG for your first cycle, especially if its only 10 weeker and one compound @ 500mg ew. Just don't make it a habit of not taking it in the future when your cycles become more complex and longer. I'll take it from here on out after 1 year of usage. Nolva and Clom. are just fine for this guy.
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Ok then Anthony, how much Nolva should I take and at what point into the cycle? Same question goes for the Clomid. And arent Nolva and Clomid basically the same? Antiestrogens?
 
You use nolvadex and clomid together. But your first cycle ever is not going to produce hypogonadism to the point where you need it. HCG, Nolv., Clomid, etc. are for longtime users or, if you're stacking mad gear, or you're taking like 1000mg/ml a week.
 
stucazz said:
Ok then Anthony, how much Nolva should I take and at what point into the cycle? Same question goes for the Clomid. And arent Nolva and Clomid basically the same? Antiestrogens?
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Nolva should be used throughout the cycle and all the way through PCT. Clomid is used after the cycle. Both are anti estrogens, but clomid works better at signalling the nuts to start producing test again. 20 mgs of nolva should do it.
 
stucazz said:
Ok then Anthony, how much Nolva should I take and at what point into the cycle? Same question goes for the Clomid. And arent Nolva and Clomid basically the same? Antiestrogens?
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bro your pct w/the nolva would look like this:
Week 13 40 mg Nolva
Week 14 - 15 20 mg Nolva
Week 16 10 mg Nolva

as far as the HCG goes...to be on the safe side i would use it...nothing worse then having "tick tack" nuts! that just my $.02
 
stucazz said:
Ok then Anthony, how much Nolva should I take and at what point into the cycle? Same question goes for the Clomid. And arent Nolva and Clomid basically the same? Antiestrogens?
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my name isn't Anthony :p
Check the PCT board bro for all your questions of this matter to get more info. than i can write right now
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
my name isn't Anthony :p
Check the PCT board bro for all your questions of this matter to get more info. than i can write right now
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Can I get a link to the PCT board please?
 
stucazz said:
This is what I'm talikng about guys... ;)
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Stu, your reply above was quality and set the record straight with where you were coming from. The whole board you'll find will be glad to help you anyway we can. That said, as you spend time here you'll learn to laugh at the above antics, b/c they're a way for those of us who are here alot to stay sane. I learned very slowly not to let it bug you, b/c most of its written before we know the whole deal. In this case, we were just venting b/c often new guys will come and ask a question and not understand that there is no real 100% right answer and then they expect us so called vets come up with a set answer. Instead, we proceed to argue both sides of the coin b/c there are points to each side, all for the benefit of an original poster who probably doesn't have the overall gear knowledge to even follow the arguement. Happens all the time. Still, after your post explaining yourself I wish I had worded it differently. Anyways, welcome and congrats on taking it up a notch, you're as young as you feel. Mak, myself and all the other guys will be here for advice, but as you've seen it takes enough research on your part to be able to process the different opinions you'll get. I saw you posted a detail of hcg on another thread so you're ahead on the game which is what this board needs. I'd check out the PCT board and specifically jenetic as others have said, hcg and nolv/clomid are his tools of the trade. He'll give you solid advice you can always bank on.
 
stucazz said:
No Nolva?
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Nolvadex has recently become the prefered recovery agent. Before it was hcg and clomid, but lately alot favor nolvadex instead of clomid. I use both, again I just cover all the bases I can, but some bros do get serious mental problems from clomid and since nolvadex seems as effective the switch makes sense. Additionally, alot of guys experience estro. issues post-cycle and while clomid is a mild blocker, this is nolvadex's original use so its better. That said, alot of guys still prefer to stick with clomid for pct. You'll be good using either or both.
 
swordfish151 said:
bro your pct w/the nolva would look like this:
Week 13 40 mg Nolva
Week 14 - 15 20 mg Nolva
Week 16 10 mg Nolva

as far as the HCG goes...to be on the safe side i would use it...nothing worse then having "tick tack" nuts! that just my $.02
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Thanks bro I do agree about the "tic tac" nuts issue, but I'm not getting the
"Week 13 - 14 and 15" ? My cycle will be 12 weeks tops. I think I will do somwthing like this:

Wk 1 - 250Mgs Sust and 100 mg Deca(mainly to reduce pain during injection)
Wk 2 thru Wk 11 - 250Mgs Sust-100mgs Deca twice a wk.
Wk 12 - 250mgs Sust and 100mgs Deca.
Also during entire cycle 20mgs of Nolva followed by Clomid 100mg ed Wk 1 and 50Mg ed for the remaining 5 weeks.
I will get use HCG but I have a question for Makavelli.... Do you do HCG DURING cycle (as many have been saying) or only start it the last week of the injections? Also, what dose do you suggest I take? Do you mix it all together with the Deca and Sust? Remember that this will be my first time using a needle, and many feel I don't need HCG at all. Nevertheless I rather follow the given advice and add HCG to the mix, now I just need to know how much and when to use it. Stay cool bro... I will have this all figured out in a week hopefully.
 
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stucazz said:
Thanks bro I do agree about the "tic tac" nuts issue, but I'm not getting the
"Week 13 - 14 and 15" ? My cycle will be 12 weeks tops. I think I will do somwthing like this:

Wk 1 - 250Mgs Sust and 100 mg Deca(mainly to reduce pain during injection)
Wk 2 thru Wk 11 - 250Mgs Sust-100mgs Deca twice a wk.
Wk 12 - 250mgs Sust and 100mgs Deca.
Also during entire cycle 20mgs of Nolva followed by Clomid 100mg ed Wk 1 and 50Mg ed for the remaining 5 weeks.
I will get use HCG but I have a question for Makavelli.... Do you do HCG DURING cycle (as many have been saying) or only start it the last week of the injections? Also, what dose do you suggest I take? Do you mix it all together with the Deca and Sust? Remember that this will be my first time using a needle, and many feel I don't need HCG at all. Nevertheless I rather follow the given advice and add HCG to the mix, now I just need to know how much and when to use it. Stay cool bro... I will have this all figured out in a week hopefully.
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I'd really like a reply to this question :D Thanks bro I do agree about the "tic tac" nuts issue, but I'm not getting the
"Week 13 - 14 and 15" ?
 
Stacemranger said:
Yeah, you're really gonna be messed up with no HCG. Will take longer for your nuts to come back to size and you will lose more gains since they will be producing less test naturally. USE HCG FOR PCT AND MID-CYCLE.
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Ok, can you tell me again how many iu's of HCG I should take and when during my 10 week cycle?
 
stucazz said:
I'd really like a reply to this question :D Thanks bro I do agree about the "tic tac" nuts issue, but I'm not getting the
"Week 13 - 14 and 15" ?
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I personally don't use HCG throughout the cycle. I leave for the last week. I know that there are some knowledgeable bros that use it mid cycle, but I don't bother. Since you're using deca you'll definitely need it at the end and it wouldn't hurt to throw it in the middle also. This is what I suggest:
If you take your last shot on Sunday, then take 3000 IU's on Thursday, another 3000 IU's 5 days later. Then 5 days after that take 2000 IU's and another 2000 IU's 5 days later. Start the clomid a week after your last shot of AAS and run it at least 2 weeks after your last shot of HCG.
 
Makavelli said:
I personally don't use HCG throughout the cycle. I leave for the last week. I know that there are some knowledgeable bros that use it mid cycle, but I don't bother. Since you're using deca you'll definitely need it at the end and it wouldn't hurt to throw it in the middle also. This is what I suggest:
If you take your last shot on Sunday, then take 3000 IU's on Thursday, another 3000 IU's 5 days later. Then 5 days after that take 2000 IU's and another 2000 IU's 5 days later. Start the clomid a week after your last shot of AAS and run it at least 2 weeks after your last shot of HCG.
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That seems like a lot of HCG for a 500 mg sust 10 wk cycle. I was thinking of doing something like this:

After last shot:

1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (sun/tue/thu) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.
 
stucazz said:
That seems like a lot of HCG for a 500 mg sust 10 wk cycle. I was thinking of doing something like this:

After last shot:

1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (sun/tue/thu) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.
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There's a lot of different theories on HCG usage, I'm just answering your question. That's what works for me. You can try that plan. It looks ok. The main point is to use the clomid and/or nolvadex for at least 2 weeks after your last shot of HCG. Looks like you got that covered. Keep in mind that deca will shut you down the hardest of any AAS. You may want to consider my schedule, but it's your call.
 
Important thing to remember is that the amount of test. you are using is a limited factor in the application of hcg. What I mean is that if you are taking hcg, you are doing so to stimulate your nuts, and so the amount of hcg you use is according to protocol to stimulate theoretically shutdown, zero activity testes. If they aren't completely shutdown then it will just be easier, but the approach should be the same. Thats why Mak suggests what works regardless of the duration or volume of the cycle. The only question is whther you are shutdown and need the hcg. at that point application should be according to protocol.
 
idcbp said:
Important thing to remember is that the amount of test. you are using is a limited factor in the application of hcg. What I mean is that if you are taking hcg, you are doing so to stimulate your nuts, and so the amount of hcg you use is according to protocol to stimulate theoretically shutdown, zero activity testes. If they aren't completely shutdown then it will just be easier, but the approach should be the same. Thats why Mak suggests what works regardless of the duration or volume of the cycle. The only question is whther you are shutdown and need the hcg. at that point application should be according to protocol.
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That's right bro.

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to idcbp again.
 
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