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Pat_McCrotch

Pat_McCrotch

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For those who dont know me I am 6 ft - 6'1 about 205 lbs at about 8-10%bf Working out off and on for 15 years but got serious about lifting maybe 2-3 years ago. I have done 4-5 cycles. My first 2 were dumb. I was too young and had no clue.

The purpose of this thread is to get some ideas on my next cycle. I wanna be 220 lbs by next summer and then go natty for a long time once I hit 220 and can hold it.

What I have:
dball enough to do 50mg/day for 8 weeks
Test enough for 500mg/wk for 20 -24 weeks
Tren enough to do about 200-250 mg for about 16 weeks.
Deca 200mg/ml x 10cc. I have 2 bottles.
I am not saying I wanna do all this in one cycle or run the amounts I have for that long. I am just giving you an idea on what I have on hand. I ove tren and have only used it once. It was the short acting but the one I have will be the longer acting esther.

How should I set this up and run these compounds?

My diet is on par as well as PCT. I have HCG to run during and after with Derma, Lipoflame, and clomid only if needed.

Thanks
 
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Pat_McCrotch said:
For those who dont know me I am 6 ft - 6'1 about 205 lbs at about 8-10%bf Working out off and on for 15 years but got serious about lifting maybe 2-3 years ago. I have done 4-5 cycles. My first 2 were dumb. I was too young and had no clue.

The purpose of this thread is to get some ideas on my next cycle. I wanna be 220 lbs by next summer and then go natty for a long time once I hit 220 and can hold it.

What I have:
dball enough to do 50mg/day for 8 weeks
Test enough for 500mg/day for 20 -24 weeks
Tren enough to do about 200-250 mg for about 16 weeks.
Deca 200mg/ml x 10cc. I have 2 bottles.
I am not saying I wanna do all this in one cycle or run the amounts I have for that long. I am just giving you an idea on what I have on hand. I ove tren and have only used it once. It was the short acting but the one I have will be the longer acting esther.

How should I set this up and run these compounds?

My diet is on par as well as PCT. I have HCG to run during and after with Derma, Lipoflame, and clomid only if needed.

Thanks
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I would split it into 2 cycles.

10-12 weeks of test
8 weks tren
4 weeks dbol

should be great to get you to 220 diet pending, which you already know.

not sure what to do with the deca. hmmm
 
Pat_McCrotch said:
For those who dont know me I am 6 ft - 6'1 about 205 lbs at about 8-10%bf Working out off and on for 15 years but got serious about lifting maybe 2-3 years ago. I have done 4-5 cycles. My first 2 were dumb. I was too young and had no clue.

The purpose of this thread is to get some ideas on my next cycle. I wanna be 220 lbs by next summer and then go natty for a long time once I hit 220 and can hold it.

What I have:
dball enough to do 50mg/day for 8 weeks
Test enough for 500mg/day for 20 -24 weeks
Tren enough to do about 200-250 mg for about 16 weeks.
Deca 200mg/ml x 10cc. I have 2 bottles.
I am not saying I wanna do all this in one cycle or run the amounts I have for that long. I am just giving you an idea on what I have on hand. I ove tren and have only used it once. It was the short acting but the one I have will be the longer acting esther.

How should I set this up and run these compounds?

My diet is on par as well as PCT. I have HCG to run during and after with Derma, Lipoflame, and clomid only if needed.

Thanks
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What kind of test? prop? cyp? enanthate?

Test 500mg EW ---- Week 1-16
Decca 300mg EW --- Week 1-10 (if i'm not mistaken, two bottles should be enough for this)
Dbols 50mg Ed ---- Week 1-4 (might be able to extend it to 6 weeks depending on how you feel on orals)

Keep caber on hand (do not use nolvadex with nandrolones)

Get some liver support for the dbols --- Talk to JAM about his liver support formula

Do not run HCG DURING. I'd start PCT 10 days after your last shot of test. HCG and clomid if necessary.
 
Pat_McCrotch said:
For those who dont know me I am 6 ft - 6'1 about 205 lbs at about 8-10%bf Working out off and on for 15 years but got serious about lifting maybe 2-3 years ago. I have done 4-5 cycles. My first 2 were dumb. I was too young and had no clue.

The purpose of this thread is to get some ideas on my next cycle. I wanna be 220 lbs by next summer and then go natty for a long time once I hit 220 and can hold it.

What I have:
dball enough to do 50mg/day for 8 weeks
Test enough for 500mg/day for 20 -24 weeks
Tren enough to do about 200-250 mg for about 16 weeks.
Deca 200mg/ml x 10cc. I have 2 bottles.
I am not saying I wanna do all this in one cycle or run the amounts I have for that long. I am just giving you an idea on what I have on hand. I ove tren and have only used it once. It was the short acting but the one I have will be the longer acting esther.

How should I set this up and run these compounds?

My diet is on par as well as PCT. I have HCG to run during and after with Derma, Lipoflame, and clomid only if needed.

Thanks
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I guess you mean 500mg PW for 20-24 weeks. :p

Personally I would not diregard the idea of putting up a 16 week "bulker" using Test,Deca & Dbol 4 weeks & then bringing in your Tren E once the deca is finished for its strength & hardening properties weeks 17-21 (23) & tapering out using dbol again Pre PCT weeks 22-say 25. Running Test with the Tren. I have done this type of cycle & its awesome. You have just got to play around with the Tren, maybe more maybe less time & dose. Buit harder to work with the longer ester but fits in well with the longer esters of test. So effectively you swing from a heavy (ish) bulking cycle into a strength & leaning out phase, then a tapering & holding period at the end with the oral. If you can get some winny inj to run with the tren you can get some amazing strength & muscularity with it. Also I would be running eq the whole cycle.
 
Personally would start week 4 or as soon as any signs of atrrophy - 250 iu twice a week works perfectly for me - all the way up to the last injection. HCG can be supressive so I tend not to run into PCT
 
HCG while on cycle should be started no later than one week after your first inj. Starting it later than that is giving your body enough time start shutting down.
 
cobracock1979 said:
Personally would start week 4 or as soon as any signs of atrrophy - 250 iu twice a week works perfectly for me - all the way up to the last injection. HCG can be supressive so I tend not to run into PCT
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testicular degeneration rapidily occurs beginning week 2 of your first AAS shot. If you are inj Hcg (100iu) Ed you should start in the first week or 500iu beginning the second week of use & then drop it out a week after your last shot. Because it can be suppressive in long term use, I dont run it in any long cycle. Who fucks with their nuts anyway?;)
 
nzrodney said:
testicular degeneration rapidily occurs beginning week 2 of your first AAS shot. If you are inj Hcg (100iu) Ed you should start in the first week or 500iu beginning the second week of use & then drop it out a week after your last shot. Because it can be suppressive in long term use, I dont run it in any long cycle. Who fucks with their nuts anyway?;)
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most of the time I stick with clomid and volvadex tbh..I'm not one to talke about HCG most of the times but I did since Pat said he had some on hand...

Running HCG that long would give me the creeps not to mention be expensive as hell!
 
the_alcatraz said:
week 4? holy smokesss!!!
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I was under the impression it was best to do it about midway through for 2 weeks then for your PCT.


Well asson as I have all of my products in my hand ie PCT Im guna hit it hard. Ill keep it posted. We are at thr inlaws house as of now waiting on our house to close. AARRGGGHHH!!! he inlaws.
 
its not expensive at all bro, unless its a lot more expensive in th States than the uk? One box of HCG at that dosage will last me 8 weeks! Try it Traz, I never ever get atrophy using HCG, and at 250iu there is virtually no worry about E.
 
cobracock1979 said:
its not expensive at all bro, unless its a lot more expensive in th States than the uk? One box of HCG at that dosage will last me 8 weeks! Try it Traz, I never ever get atrophy using HCG, and at 250iu there is virtually no worry about E.
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It's a lot more expensive in Canada :p
 
Oh yea its test C
 
Thanks guys
 
halfcenturian said:
Hey Pat!

Where you been??? Haven't seen you around...were you in prison?:worried: :lmao:

Good to see you, bro!
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If by prison you mean work, a baby and trying to close on a house then yea I have been in prison. LOL It is a bitch trying to scrape by to save a shit load of money. But we did it. We should close here this week or next.
 
Pat_McCrotch said:
If by prison you mean work, a baby and trying to close on a house then yea I have been in prison. LOL It is a bitch trying to scrape by to save a shit load of money. But we did it. We should close here this week or next.
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LOL! I hear ya, bro. Been there... Done that.

Congrats on the new baby and house!

Actually... looking back.... I think I'd rather do prison, next time!!!:lmao:
 
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