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Stainless_Steel
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Most would say do the test only at 500mg week for 12 weeks since this is your first. How long you been training? How old are you? Hows your diet?
bigmouth2006
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Apexx said:
my thoughts exactly
ok according to research a 12 week cycle with 500 mg sustanon/decadurobilin is good for your first cycle, pct either nolvadex plus clomid, i am unsure on how to cycle the pct's, can someone help with that? So first cycle = 15-30 pounds mainly on your diet/routine. Inject twice a week, correct me if im wrong.
Bruce
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sust 500mg is great for a first cycle, personally i would use test e but thats me. hey that rhymed. no need to run deca as well for your first run. you can gain 20lbs give or take if you eat 5000 cals and take in 300g of protein. there is no way to say though.
pct is in the post cycle therapy forum,
run hcg mon wed and fri for 3 weeks at 500-1000ius daily
along with nolva 20mg ed for 6 weeks
clomid optional but reccomended 100mg ed for 3 weeks then 50mg ed for 3 more.
take the hcg one week after your last shot of test. get test e or cyp not sust.
pct is in the post cycle therapy forum,
run hcg mon wed and fri for 3 weeks at 500-1000ius daily
along with nolva 20mg ed for 6 weeks
clomid optional but reccomended 100mg ed for 3 weeks then 50mg ed for 3 more.
take the hcg one week after your last shot of test. get test e or cyp not sust.
mr. snakes
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^^^^
mr. snakes
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Stainless_Steel said:
Ok i guess a kinda change in the whole cycle thing.. i think im gonna stack deca dura 300 and winny since they dont convert to estrogen, i will still get alot outta the cycle but need to know how many shots per week for each and how many weeks to run it for and mg per shot, thanks guys, and advisior thanks for calling a me a newb you dickface
Bruce
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i ran deca and winny for my first cycle. 600mg of deca for 13 weeks winny 1-5 and 9-13 i believe. long time ago. i didn't know shit then. luckily my dick worked alright. i ran deca again last year and was not so lucky even with a low dose of test. you will most likely have a limp dick and no libido furthermore recovery will be horrible on a deca only cycle. i suggest running the test alone. if you are looking to run a compound alone then i reccomend eq at 400-600mg a week. run some proviron with it and the winny is fine too.
What kind of gains are you looking for? The deca/winny cycle you will not gain as much as you will with a test cycle but the gains will be "higher quality" meaning you won't gain as much when you step on a scale but you will probably keep a higher percentage of what you gain. Correct me if I am wrong someone because I have not done AS before but I think the research I've been doing would lead me to believe that I am correct.
Bruce
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running a compound like deca without test you will be shut down. test is essential for building muscle. if you have none youre not gonna gain much. when running deca test is a must. eq and primo can be run without a test base especially with proviron added. not deca, that is a recipe for disaster. yes deca and winny is gonna be side free most likely, some do get progesterone gyno from deca but it is rare. test will require anti e's and what not. but a side effect in my eyes is a dick that don't work. deca will cause that test will fix it
BigPun81 said:
I need more opinions on this because i was planning to run deca and winny for a 8-10 week cycle.. not 13.. i wanted to leave it at that for no added bloatness , harder gains, dont really care about the weight im 5'8 180ish and and will prolly be up to 195-to 200 by then and will prolly alone gain 15-20 solid muscle pounds off deca/winny and not have estrogen and not lose it, im looking for hard gians in muscle, and then afterwards i wanna cut a lil bit maybe 5ish pounds if im not satisfied.
ThepoolGuy
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Why dont you tell us your age and your yrs training. Its not like well figure out who you really are and call you a liar. To me my age and time training is important but thats just my opinion.
Bruce
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bro if you don't understand why you shouldn't be taking deca alone you should not be taking aas. do some research on deca. yes it is normally side free as far as gyno and other problems but having your dick go limp is def a sice effect and it sucks. run test for 12 weeks, test e or cyp preferably, sustanon is not made for bbing purposes you waste many of the esters in there. keep it simple, if you want to use the winny with the test fine, but no deca without.
