need help with HCG

[koin]

okay so preparing for a cycle for the winter.

just ordered deca 300 and test e 250, never done HCG before in the past, but I also didn't keep too much of my gains so I'm interested in getting on this.

if someone could recommend a deca and test e cycle, and perhaps tell me how much of this HCG I need, not toally understanding the IU/mixing with water stuff.

not really thrilled about mixing anything that I'll be shooting so if you could recommend something that I won't need to mix or dilute that would be fantastic.

I'm 23, 5'7, 170 lbs, have cycled in the past with sustaplex, andropen, and testabol depot. only PCT'd with clomid, never did HCG.

 

[koin]

please? lol

 

[Zyglamail]

You didnt give folks much info to go on so thats likely why help is slow to come. With deca 300 and test e 250 I would probably do 2x weekly injections say mon & thurs or wed & sat. 1cc test e and about .4 cc of the deca which would be about 500mg/wk test and approx 250mg/wk deca.

If you were inj say mon and thurs I would use 250IU of HCG on sat and sunday throughout cycle and continue it for a few weeks post cycle.

You want to get Bacteriostatic water to mix your HCG and how much water you use will depend on the HCG you get. A typical 10,000 IU vial of HCG is generally mixed with 10ml BAC water. So simple math tells us 10,000 IU dissolved in 10ML water gives us a 1,000IU per ML of water.

If you use a 1cc slin pin that has 100 units marked on it and the pin holds 1ml then each mark on the slin pin would be 10IU. 25 marks on pin would be 250IU. If you wanted you could mix it double strength, use only 5ML bac water when you constitute it so it would be 10,000IU in 5ML or 2,000IU per CC so 12.5 unit marks on slin pin would be 250IU.

 

[stevesmi]

I suggest to please do a search first and put some effort into researching then if you still have questions we will answer that. all the questions you are asking can be found by doing a search.

 

[koin]

I suggest to please do a search first and put some effort into researching then if you still have questions we will answer that. all the questions you are asking can be found by doing a search.

the search feature yields no results to "HCG", and I've gone back 10 pages searching the thread titles for HCG. I think I'm eligible for some assistance

 

[koin]

You want to get Bacteriostatic water to mix your HCG and how much water you use will depend on the HCG you get. A typical 10,000 IU vial of HCG is generally mixed with 10ml BAC water. So simple math tells us 10,000 IU dissolved in 10ML water gives us a 1,000IU per ML of water.

If you use a 1cc slin pin that has 100 units marked on it and the pin holds 1ml then each mark on the slin pin would be 10IU. 25 marks on pin would be 250IU. If you wanted you could mix it double strength, use only 5ML bac water when you constitute it so it would be 10,000IU in 5ML or 2,000IU per CC so 12.5 unit marks on slin pin would be 250IU.

as far as mixing HCG...this Bacteriostatic water, I've done some research and I see it comes in vials. not sure how to physically do this mixture. do I draw the Bacteriostatic water and put it in the HCG vial to dilute it? will there be room in the HCG vial to do this?

sorry if this question is common but I really have no clue and the search form on here isn't being totally helpful.

 

[Zyglamail]

as far as mixing HCG...this Bacteriostatic water, I've done some research and I see it comes in vials. not sure how to physically do this mixture. do I draw the Bacteriostatic water and put it in the HCG vial to dilute it? will there be room in the HCG vial to do this?

sorry if this question is common but I really have no clue and the search form on here isn't being totally helpful.

HCG (and sterile and BAC water)comes in a sealed vial just like AAS. Use a syring and stick needle through rubber top of water jug, draw water out and inject it into the sealed hcg vial. Dont blast water directly into hcg but put needle in at an angle through stopper so your squirting water at side of vial. Swirl gently until powder dissolves and it should be clear after mixing.

 

[koin]

thank you will be posting a log when I start the cycle in 2-3 weeks.

 

[stevesmi]

search PREGYNL, not hcg. I've posted in depth how to mix it, there are several threads on it dating back 5 years.

 

[koin]

search PREGYNL, not hcg. I've posted in depth how to mix it, there are several threads on it dating back 5 years.

 

[koin]

You didnt give folks much info to go on so thats likely why help is slow to come. With deca 300 and test e 250 I would probably do 2x weekly injections say mon & thurs or wed & sat. 1cc test e and about .4 cc of the deca which would be about 500mg/wk test and approx 250mg/wk deca.

If you were inj say mon and thurs I would use 250IU of HCG on sat and sunday throughout cycle and continue it for a few weeks post cycle.

You want to get Bacteriostatic water to mix your HCG and how much water you use will depend on the HCG you get. A typical 10,000 IU vial of HCG is generally mixed with 10ml BAC water. So simple math tells us 10,000 IU dissolved in 10ML water gives us a 1,000IU per ML of water.

If you use a 1cc slin pin that has 100 units marked on it and the pin holds 1ml then each mark on the slin pin would be 10IU. 25 marks on pin would be 250IU. If you wanted you could mix it double strength, use only 5ML bac water when you constitute it so it would be 10,000IU in 5ML or 2,000IU per CC so 12.5 unit marks on slin pin would be 250IU.

what do you recommend for post cycle? or is the hcg enough... i plan on a 16 week cylce doing whats described above. should i look into anything other then HCG for PCT? and if I continue the HCG PC, what dose and how often do you recommend? I did clomid last time and i didn't seem to keep my gains. and i got more acne post cycle then during.

 

[koin]

You didnt give folks much info to go on so thats likely why help is slow to come. With deca 300 and test e 250 I would probably do 2x weekly injections say mon & thurs or wed & sat. 1cc test e and about .4 cc of the deca which would be about 500mg/wk test and approx 250mg/wk deca.

If you were inj say mon and thurs I would use 250IU of HCG on sat and sunday throughout cycle and continue it for a few weeks post cycle.

You want to get Bacteriostatic water to mix your HCG and how much water you use will depend on the HCG you get. A typical 10,000 IU vial of HCG is generally mixed with 10ml BAC water. So simple math tells us 10,000 IU dissolved in 10ML water gives us a 1,000IU per ML of water.

If you use a 1cc slin pin that has 100 units marked on it and the pin holds 1ml then each mark on the slin pin would be 10IU. 25 marks on pin would be 250IU. If you wanted you could mix it double strength, use only 5ML bac water when you constitute it so it would be 10,000IU in 5ML or 2,000IU per CC so 12.5 unit marks on slin pin would be 250IU.

just following up for feedback:

after weeks of waiting for different stuff from different sources (the deca, the test e, the pregnyl, and the various pins) I have started the fun.


.5 ml (150mg) DECA EOD
1ml (250mg) TEST-E EOD

days pinned so far:
monday 11/29
thursday 12/2
monday 12/6
thursday 12/9
monday 12/13
thursday 12/16
saturday 12/18 - first hcg pin 250ui

so I'm doing 500mg of test and 300mg of deca per week, and I just completed week 3. I'm going to say that maybe this week I started to feel like it's kicking in, gained a few pounds and feel meaty..but it's hard to determine at this point because I'm also trying hard to keep my calorie intake up there. not sure I'm having out of the ordinary lift gains at the gym yet, but I'm aware that it's early for that. today I did my first dose of HCG, I took your advice and diluted 10,000iu into 10ml of bacteriostatic water, and I bought sterile vials to mix/store it in. I bought 1/2cc 1/2cc pins, so I'll be shooting 25 units (250iu's) on saturday and sunday for the remainder of my cycle and some post.

I have more questions though, for starters, I've read I must refrigerate the HCG/pregnyl, is this true? by any chance should I be storing any of my other gear in the fridge as well??

secondly, could you recommend a safe length of time to keep this cycle going? how about when I can up the deca to more than 300mg per week...I want to go hard as possible without hurting myself.

how do you feel about me mixing the deca/test in the same syringe (using different pins to minimize contaminating the two substances) and shooting together at once? makes it easier on my life to have one side of my ass hurting for 2 days rather than both sides lol.

lastly, for the post cycle, how long after my last deca/test pin should I keep up the HCG/pregnyl assuming I follow the cycle length you recommend? I'm 3 weeks in now. I have oral clomid left over from my last cycle, I'm not too happy with my losses after my last cycle, I feel I didn't keep almost any of my gains. at peak I was doing 650mg weekly of sustaplex....used it for about 8-12 weeks I estimate. post cycled with 100 mg -> tapered to 50 mg daily for about 3-4 weeks about 20 days following last pin. I think I may have done something wrong. Did not have any bad sides though, just upper back/delt-area acne which lasted for 3-4 months. Could you recommend an alternative to clomid or do you think I should stick with it and try again? I have alot left over.

Thanks man, your advice is really appreciated, you're helping me better myself big time.

 

[Zyglamail]

I have more questions though, for starters, I've read I must refrigerate the HCG/pregnyl, is this true? by any chance should I be storing any of my other gear in the fridge as well??

secondly, could you recommend a safe length of time to keep this cycle going? how about when I can up the deca to more than 300mg per week...I want to go hard as possible without hurting myself.

how do you feel about me mixing the deca/test in the same syringe (using different pins to minimize contaminating the two substances) and shooting together at once? makes it easier on my life to have one side of my ass hurting for 2 days rather than both sides lol.

lastly, for the post cycle, how long after my last deca/test pin should I keep up the HCG/pregnyl assuming I follow the cycle length you recommend? I'm 3 weeks in now. I have oral clomid left over from my last cycle, I'm not too happy with my losses after my last cycle, I feel I didn't keep almost any of my gains. at peak I was doing 650mg weekly of sustaplex....used it for about 8-12 weeks I estimate. post cycled with 100 mg -> tapered to 50 mg daily for about 3-4 weeks about 20 days following last pin. I think I may have done something wrong. Did not have any bad sides though, just upper back/delt-area acne which lasted for 3-4 months. Could you recommend an alternative to clomid or do you think I should stick with it and try again? I have alot left over.

Thanks man, your advice is really appreciated, you're helping me better myself big time.

Yes, HCG must be refrigerated after reconstitution, test and deca is good at room temp.

Id probably run HCG post cycle for 6 weeks and see how you feel. I wouldnt bother adding the clomid.

You should be fine running that for 12 weeks but if you want to be sure after about 6-7 get blood work done and of course constantly monitor your BP.

Mixing test/deca in same pin is a good idea, save on pins and pokes.