Need help with 2nd cycle

[mauit44]

I'm a 44 yrs old male, 5'10", 178lbs, 20% body fat (lean all over but have to rid of 2" of fat around the wasteline). I ended my first cycle about 15 months ago and it included the following:

500mgs Test Enen, 250mgs Deca, two x a wk, plus Naposim 30mgs x day x 6 wks Followed by 2wks nolva at 50mgs x day. I gained 30 lbs from this cycle, however I have only retained 10 lbs of it.

I now wish to start a second cycle, however I DO NOT want to use Deca, due to the "Deca Dick" I got from it. As a matter of fact I would very much prefer to do a cycle that will alow me to gain a fair amount of muscle and strength but also provide some cutting and enhanced libido.

I need some expert advice as to what would be the best cycle for me, given my age and specific requirements. Thank you all in advance.

 

[jmead]

I'm a 44 yrs old male, 5'10", 178lbs, 20% body fat (lean all over but have to rid of 2" of fat around the wasteline). I ended my first cycle about 15 months ago and it included the following:

500mgs Test Enen, 250mgs Deca, two x a wk, plus Naposim 30mgs x day x 6 wks Followed by 2wks nolva at 50mgs x day. I gained 30 lbs from this cycle, however I have only retained 10 lbs of it.

I now wish to start a second cycle, however I DO NOT want to use Deca, due to the "Deca Dick" I got from it. As a matter of fact I would very much prefer to do a cycle that will alow me to gain a fair amount of muscle and strength but also provide some cutting and enhanced libido.

I need some expert advice as to what would be the best cycle for me, given my age and specific requirements. Thank you all in advance.

you stats are kind of confusing.. 20% body fat isnt lean all over.. even with 2'' of fat at the waist.. that aint 20%.. and your weight/height is just confusing..

so your saying your first cycle you ran 1gram of test and 500 mg deca a week with dbol.. then started pct when? nolva alone isnt really a great pct for that kind of cycle.. thats a heavy cycle to have such a weak pct protocol..

dbol causes alot of water retention and if you were on a gram of test, you were probably a blimp which is why you only retained 10lbs.. plus poor pct..

test e 500mg EW 1-17
tbol 50mg ED wk 1-4
eq 600mg EW 1-16

Pct with hcg, clomid, nolva.. and probably run a mild AI throughout.. such as AIFM/aromasin/arimidex

you wont bloat up with the tbol and eq, actually theres a good chance youll lean out.. with proper diet/cardio..

what kind of lifting do you do in the gym.. whats your lift stats..

hell.. just run 500mg test a week, drop your calories.. cardio it up.. youll get good results even though its your 2nd cycle

 

[mauit44]

you stats are kind of confusing.. 20% body fat isnt lean all over.. even with 2'' of fat at the waist.. that aint 20%.. and your weight/height is just confusing..

so your saying your first cycle you ran 1gram of test and 500 mg deca a week with dbol.. then started pct when? nolva alone isnt really a great pct for that kind of cycle.. thats a heavy cycle to have such a weak pct protocol..

dbol causes alot of water retention and if you were on a gram of test, you were probably a blimp which is why you only retained 10lbs.. plus poor pct..

test e 500mg EW 1-17
tbol 50mg ED wk 1-4
eq 600mg EW 1-16

Pct with hcg, clomid, nolva.. and probably run a mild AI throughout.. such as AIFM/aromasin/arimidex

you wont bloat up with the tbol and eq, actually theres a good chance youll lean out.. with proper diet/cardio..

what kind of lifting do you do in the gym.. whats your lift stats..

hell.. just run 500mg test a week, drop your calories.. cardio it up.. youll get good results even though its your 2nd cycle

You're right! I did get a lot of bloating with the Naposim. My bodyfat is pretty much a guess at his point, I am not fat at all and I am pretty muscular all over except for the midsection, which I'd like very much to improve with my next cycle and moderate cardio program. I haven't worked out in awile(12 months or so), started a new business and all, but I just joined a new gym and started working out as of last week, so right now I'm not lifting very much. I do not plan to start my cycle for at least a month or so, just trying to get back into it right now, and making some planning. I could also definitely use some more definition though. In terms of what I do is basically everything ranging from machines to free weights. And can you give me the full name of "tbol" and "eq" ?

 

[jmead]

bro you definately need to do some more research.. go to any website with steroid profiles.. read them up and down.. then do it again.. tbol is turinabol eq is equipoise.. tbol is basically dbol without the bloat.. eq is a very mild steroid.. which needs to be ran for longer than 12 weeks.. the gains are slow and steady after weak 8.. vascularity increases and you get veiny as hell..

dont hop on anything til youve put the time into researching.. know what the drugs do to your body.. and how to prevent sides.. and do alot of research on PCT post cycle therapy.. thats where youll keep most of your gains or lose them.. good luck with whatever you do bro

 

[glover]

You also need to make time to lift. Training while your on AAS and not training while your off is not really going to get you much in the way of permanent body change

 

[wags8]

Jmead said it. He's getting pretty good with this advice shit. Do lots of research and use these drugs to your best health advantage. For me, it was life changing. In a good way.

 

[mauit44]

bro you definately need to do some more research.. go to any website with steroid profiles.. read them up and down.. then do it again.. tbol is turinabol eq is equipoise.. tbol is basically dbol without the bloat.. eq is a very mild steroid.. which needs to be ran for longer than 12 weeks.. the gains are slow and steady after weak 8.. vascularity increases and you get veiny as hell..

dont hop on anything til youve put the time into researching.. know what the drugs do to your body.. and how to prevent sides.. and do alot of research on PCT post cycle therapy.. thats where youll keep most of your gains or lose them.. good luck with whatever you do bro

I totally agree. I did read about the various steroid profiles, but most of the sites providing them don't list common abbreviations that I have noticed.
I won't start anything for at least another month, and hopefully by then I'd have done enough homework to feel comfortable with what I'm doing. My biggest concern is going to be the PCT since the first time around it didn't do so well, and I kept having erection problems for some time afterwards.

 

[genman]

I am of similar age and composition ( 6' 1", 225 lbs, 14% bf) and I can tell you that my best "advanced age" cycle has been test enth and primo, followed closely by test cyp and eq. Deca is poison to me due to the excessive sides, even though it gave me no sides when I was younger.

My next cycle is shaping up to be tren ace, primo, test, but I have some more research to do before I commit. I want everything to be dead-on, including diet, training regimine, pct, etc before I start. At our age, you have to be a lot more careful about what you eat, how you train, what compounds you use and especially pct. Best of luck and read as much info as you can put your hands on.

 

[mauit44]

bro you definately need to do some more research.. go to any website with steroid profiles.. read them up and down.. then do it again.. tbol is turinabol eq is equipoise.. tbol is basically dbol without the bloat.. eq is a very mild steroid.. which needs to be ran for longer than 12 weeks.. the gains are slow and steady after weak 8.. vascularity increases and you get veiny as hell..

dont hop on anything til youve put the time into researching.. know what the drugs do to your body.. and how to prevent sides.. and do alot of research on PCT post cycle therapy.. thats where youll keep most of your gains or lose them.. good luck with whatever you do bro

Wait a minute now, If eq must be run for 12 wks, does this mean that the sust and tbol should be run for the that much time as well?

 

[taufeedawg]

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[mauit44]

I am of similar age and composition ( 6' 1", 225 lbs, 14% bf) and I can tell you that my best "advanced age" cycle has been test enth and primo, followed closely by test cyp and eq. Deca is poison to me due to the excessive sides, even though it gave me no sides when I was younger.

My next cycle is shaping up to be tren ace, primo, test, but I have some more research to do before I commit. I want everything to be dead-on, including diet, training regimine, pct, etc before I start. At our age, you have to be a lot more careful about what you eat, how you train, what compounds you use and especially pct. Best of luck and read as much info as you can put your hands on.

What are the doses for your next cycle, and for how long?

 

[genman]

Ten Ace (using ace in case of sides, will switch next cycle to avoid ed injections)
wk 1 50mg ed
wk 2-7 75 mg ed

Test enth
wk 1-10 500mg/ew

Primo
wk 1-10 400 mg/ew

This particular test primo combo was the basis of the cycle I posted about earlier.

 

[mauit44]

Ten Ace (using ace in case of sides, will switch next cycle to avoid ed injections)
wk 1 50mg ed
wk 2-7 75 mg ed

Test enth
wk 1-10 500mg/ew

Primo
wk 1-10 400 mg/ew

This particular test primo combo was the basis of the cycle I posted about earlier.

What's Tren Ace? What will you do for PCT?

 

[mauit44]

bro you definately need to do some more research.. go to any website with steroid profiles.. read them up and down.. then do it again.. tbol is turinabol eq is equipoise.. tbol is basically dbol without the bloat.. eq is a very mild steroid.. which needs to be ran for longer than 12 weeks.. the gains are slow and steady after weak 8.. vascularity increases and you get veiny as hell..

dont hop on anything til youve put the time into researching.. know what the drugs do to your body.. and how to prevent sides.. and do alot of research on PCT post cycle therapy.. thats where youll keep most of your gains or lose them.. good luck with whatever you do bro

So based on the cycle suggested above, what is a good PCT and for how long

 

[jmead]

Jmead said it. He's getting pretty good with this advice shit. Do lots of research and use these drugs to your best health advantage. For me, it was life changing. In a good way.

thanks bro.. as far as the original poster.. dont mess with tren..

get in the gym.. and stay in there 4-5 times a week.. get your workout routine/diet in check far before you get back on aas.. make the most out of this cycle..

just keep it simple.. if you get everything in check this time i think your gains will be PLENTY good off of just test e


wk 1-12 test e 500mg EW 250mg Every 3 days
AIFM/aromasin ED (1-2 squirts, or 20mg)

pct 15-20 days after last Test shot

research HCG protocol..
clomid 50mg ed 4 wks
nolva 60mg wk 1, 40mg wk2, 20mg wk3, 20mg wk4

find your daily calorie intake you need to be at to maintain, gain, or lose weight.. everyone is different..

but like i said.. keep it simple.. your goals can all be achieved with some good ol test.. you COULD use tbol to kickstart.. VERY FEW orals should be used for longer than 4-6 weeks.. tbol is one of them..

so if you wish..

tbol wk 1-4 50mg ED
test e 1-12 500mg EW


wow i wrote a novel.. good luck bro

 

[mauit44]

thanks bro.. as far as the original poster.. dont mess with tren..

get in the gym.. and stay in there 4-5 times a week.. get your workout routine/diet in check far before you get back on aas.. make the most out of this cycle..

just keep it simple.. if you get everything in check this time i think your gains will be PLENTY good off of just test e


wk 1-12 test e 500mg EW 250mg Every 3 days
AIFM/aromasin ED (1-2 squirts, or 20mg)

pct 15-20 days after last Test shot

research HCG protocol..
clomid 50mg ed 4 wks
nolva 60mg wk 1, 40mg wk2, 20mg wk3, 20mg wk4

find your daily calorie intake you need to be at to maintain, gain, or lose weight.. everyone is different..

but like i said.. keep it simple.. your goals can all be achieved with some good ol test.. you COULD use tbol to kickstart.. VERY FEW orals should be used for longer than 4-6 weeks.. tbol is one of them..

so if you wish..

tbol wk 1-4 50mg ED
test e 1-12 500mg EW


wow i wrote a novel.. good luck bro

Hey man, you are awsome! Finally something that makes a lot of sense and is specific! Thanks bro.

 

[jmead]

Hey man, you are awsome! Finally something that makes a lot of sense and is specific! Thanks bro.

no problem bro.. just make sure you get your shit together before you hop on.. i thought i knew what i was doing.. came to this board and a few others.. and i realized just how much i DIDNT know..

13 weeks in 32-35 lbs later, major increase in strength.. i realize it now

 

[mauit44]

What about diet. What are the best foods to eat while on, and how much.

 

[jmead]

What about diet. What are the best foods to eat while on, and how much.

hop over on the diet forum.. they can help you alot over there.. depends on your goals bro..

 

[mauit44]

hop over on the diet forum.. they can help you alot over there.. depends on your goals bro..

I'll do that, thanks bro.

 

[mauit44]

thanks bro.. as far as the original poster.. dont mess with tren..

get in the gym.. and stay in there 4-5 times a week.. get your workout routine/diet in check far before you get back on aas.. make the most out of this cycle..

just keep it simple.. if you get everything in check this time i think your gains will be PLENTY good off of just test e


wk 1-12 test e 500mg EW 250mg Every 3 days
AIFM/aromasin ED (1-2 squirts, or 20mg)

pct 15-20 days after last Test shot

research HCG protocol..
clomid 50mg ed 4 wks
nolva 60mg wk 1, 40mg wk2, 20mg wk3, 20mg wk4

find your daily calorie intake you need to be at to maintain, gain, or lose weight.. everyone is different..

but like i said.. keep it simple.. your goals can all be achieved with some good ol test.. you COULD use tbol to kickstart.. VERY FEW orals should be used for longer than 4-6 weeks.. tbol is one of them..

so if you wish..

tbol wk 1-4 50mg ED
test e 1-12 500mg EW


wow i wrote a novel.. good luck bro

What do you think of this as a alternative cycle? And how many weeks should this cycle be for?

500mgs of test per week, 600mgs of primo per week
and 40mgs of anavar ED for 6 weeks
arimidex at about 1mg ED

For PCT: clomid 50mg ed 4 wks
nolva 60mg wk 1, 40mg wk2, 20mg wk3, 20mg wk4

 

[jmead]

What do you think of this as a alternative cycle? And how many weeks should this cycle be for?

500mgs of test per week, 600mgs of primo per week
and 40mgs of anavar ED for 6 weeks
arimidex at about 1mg ED

For PCT: clomid 50mg ed 4 wks
nolva 60mg wk 1, 40mg wk2, 20mg wk3, 20mg wk4

i told you what i thought.. but as far at that goes.. 12 weeks would be good..

arimidex is probably too high, .5mg ED should be plenty

id just skip the primo and save the cash, if your bf is that high id just run some test with an AI, good diet, and cardio will do wonders.. and if you want ya anavar.. you can run that throughout since its not hepatoxic..

 

[mauit44]

i told you what i thought.. but as far at that goes.. 12 weeks would be good..

arimidex is probably too high, .5mg ED should be plenty

id just skip the primo and save the cash, if your bf is that high id just run some test with an AI, good diet, and cardio will do wonders.. and if you want ya anavar.. you can run that throughout since its not hepatoxic..

The only reason I was asking is because many people in the past had told me that one drug alone doesn't work as well as stacking.
Forgive me for being confused.

 

[Ulter]

Jmead makes a lot good points. I would recommend that you use the test 500mg/wk for the 12 weeks too. But you gains will stall in week 8 so that's when you need to add something or stop. So if you want to put the tbol in the beginning to kick the cycle off also put it back in or use anavar or winny, for the last 4 weeks. It's not a bad idea to use eq. You probably should. Use 500mg/wk for 10 weeks with your test.
You should not be using Arimidex. It's too weak and especially at your age. You should be using AIFM instead, or aromasin. Arimidex is a poor choice for cycling in general but for those over 40 it's a REALLY poor choice.
Use the AIFM throughout the cycle and PCT. Use 1000iu/day of HCG for a week at the end of your cycle and then start using clomid for two weeks.

 

[jmead]

Jmead makes a lot good points. I would recommend that you use the test 500mg/wk for the 12 weeks too. But you gains will stall in week 8 so that's when you need to add something or stop. So if you want to put the tbol in the beginning to kick the cycle off also put it back in or use anavar or winny, for the last 4 weeks. It's not a bad idea to use eq. You probably should. Use 500mg/wk for 10 weeks with your test.
You should not be using Arimidex. It's too weak and especially at your age. You should be using AIFM instead, or aromasin. Arimidex is a poor choice for cycling in general but for those over 40 it's a REALLY poor choice.
Use the AIFM throughout the cycle and PCT. Use 1000iu/day of HCG for a week at the end of your cycle and then start using clomid for two weeks.

agree totally about the gains stalling after 8 weeks.. i threw my npp around then, and the gains jumped right back up..

eq is a great drug, pumps and vascularity are fantastic.. its pretty mild though and gains take awhile, so 500-600mg EW for 12-14 weeks is sufficient

 

[mauit44]

Based on my readings, my age(44) and my needs, my second cycle will probaby be as follows:

12 wk cycle; 500mgs Test e, 500mgs Primo x wk, plus Anavar ed for 6 wks.

PCT: Two wks after last injection:clomid 50mg ed 4 wks,
nolva 60mg wk 1, 40mg wk2, 20mg wk3, 20mg wk4

I need help with HCG protocol though; quantity, duration and frequency.

 

[mauit44]

I started the cycle on 23-Jan-2007, and i must say that i am pretty unhappy. I feel weak and have a lot of joint pain lately, especially in the last week or so. My shoulders are killing me and I'm counting the days for this cycle to really kick in and give me a well needed boost. Any suggestions on the shoulder pain?