Need help with 1st cycle

[madsdad]

Getting ready to do first cycle and needed some clarification - going to do test-e and deca - thinking to do test-e on mon and fri, from what I've read - deca should be once a week - should it be on the same day as test-e? also, for post cycle - still trying to get it all together - is nolvadex in pill form or other? Thanks in advance!

 

[DonCorleone562]

1. Stats?
2. Stick to 1 compound for your first cycle.
3. TestE and deca could be shot together. It is better if they are....less injections preferable right?
4. Nolvadex comes in liquid or pill form.
5. I would run the TestE, mondays and thursdays instead. monday and friday is too big of a gap, then friday and monday too small of a gap. Try to keep your blood levels as even as possible. This helps with lessening the chances of getting sides.
6. Fuck smear the queer ross and his web site

 

[madsdad]

I'm 5'9" and weigh about 190 - my body fat is about 20% and I've been working out pretty hard for about a year

1. Stats?
2. Stick to 1 compound for your first cycle.
3. TestE and deca could be shot together. It is better if they are....less injections preferable right?
4. Nolvadex comes in liquid or pill form.
5. I would run the TestE, mondays and thursdays instead. monday and friday is too big of a gap, then friday and monday too small of a gap. Try to keep your blood levels as even as possible. This helps with lessening the chances of getting sides.
6. Fuck smear the queer ross and his web site

 

[DonCorleone562]

20% bf = major increase in chances of getting sides. bro WTF. Time to flame your fat ass. You been working out for 1 year and you are at 20%bf...fuck, were you at 60% before or what???

Dont touch AAS bro. Learn how to diet, dont waste your time, nor money. If you cant fucking eat right and clean....shit you'll be at 25% in 2 weeks of your first shot.

 

[madsdad]

I'm wanting to do a 12 wk pyramid cycle with test e and deca - peaking at 1500mg of test e and 900 of deca. Any advice on a cutting cycle after?

 

[madsdad]

what bf% should I be at before starting? And really, I'm not positive that I'm at 20% - rough guess...but I will l find out!

20% bf = major increase in chances of getting sides. bro WTF. Time to flame your fat ass. You been working out for 1 year and you are at 20%bf...fuck, were you at 60% before or what???

Dont touch AAS bro. Learn how to diet, dont waste your time, nor money. If you cant fucking eat right and clean....shit you'll be at 25% in 2 weeks of your first shot.

 

[DonCorleone562]

The consensus is roughly 15% or below....I suggest below.

 

[madsdad]

Thanks Man - I appreciate your input!

The consensus is roughly 15% or below....I suggest below.

 

[xrsist]

I'm wanting to do a 12 wk pyramid cycle with test e and deca - peaking at 1500mg of test e and 900 of deca. Any advice on a cutting cycle after?

you must be joking right?

 

[Mac173]

I'm wanting to do a 12 wk pyramid cycle with test e and deca - peaking at 1500mg of test e and 900 of deca. Any advice on a cutting cycle after?

Step away from the juice, I repeat step away from the juice.

You have not been training nearly long enough to consider juicing.
Since your BF is 20% I would have to guess that you don't know how to diet very well either.
Train hard for a few more yrs and lose some of that bf and then consider it.
In the mean time research so when you're ready physically you will be ready mentally too.

 

[amandhody]

2.4 grams of AAs for first cycle.........
Bro i dont know much but from what i have learnt here...start with as less as possible to produce results..people say 500 of this and 500 of that

But experienced ones will suggest 250 mg test or a max of 500 ng a week
If deca has to be included..200mg/wk t0 300 mg/wk with any Aromataze inhibitor.....cheers

 

[mojeas95]

Step away from the juice, I repeat step away from the juice.

You have not been training nearly long enough to consider juicing.
Since your BF is 20% I would have to guess that you don't know how to diet very well either.
Train hard for a few more yrs and lose some of that bf and then consider it.
In the mean time research so when you're ready physically you will be ready mentally too.

couldnt have said it better myself!

 

[navigatorrs]

Join Date: Oct 2005????
Posts: 417?????? Seems you were doing some research.What the hell

happened. All your Q were really out there?

 

[MichaelMacGyver]

I'm wanting to do a 12 wk pyramid cycle with test e and deca - peaking at 1500mg of test e and 900 of deca. Any advice on a cutting cycle after?

This is not a first cycle plan and no mention of PCT

 

[AhMadKooL]

i agree with the bros here; You should be training continuosly for 4-5 years before you touch steroids; and your bf should be less than 15 %. Plus the cycle that u suggestted is terrible; which indicates you haven't done enough research about steroids.

 

[BigCracker]

Retard Alert!!! Ding! Ding! Ding!!!

Code Red!!!

Damn, 2nd retard alert and this is the 2nd post of I opened this AM. Congrats guys you're 2/2!!!

 

[mono_1]

If it is your first cycle no need for pyramid
test should be run 2 wks after deca
and for a first cycle stay at one compound see how you react 500 to 750 for 10 to 12 wks have anti on hand and pct
don't use nolvadex with deca and is can be pill or liquid do some more reading and it soiunds like your diet isn't up to par
good luck

 

[ironclaw]

I'm wanting to do a 12 wk pyramid cycle with test e and deca - peaking at 1500mg of test e and 900 of deca. Any advice on a cutting cycle after?

you've got to be fuckng kidding right? 1500 mg of test and 900 mg of deca? WTF: where have you been? this is your first cycle, why on earth are you considering doing those dosages? you need to do some more research, and get a brain..

 

[krbn08]

Retard Alert!!! Ding! Ding! Ding!!!

Code Red!!!

Damn, 2nd retard alert and this is the 2nd post of I opened this AM. Congrats guys you're 2/2!!!

 

[TM248]

I'm wanting to do a 12 wk pyramid cycle with test e and deca - peaking at 1500mg of test e and 900 of deca. Any advice on a cutting cycle after?

HAHA do that cycle... if you make it... 3 months later you're on DR Phil saying how AAS ruined your life ahahha

 

[BigCracker]

HAHA do that cycle... if you make it... 3 months later you're on DR Phil saying how AAS ruined your life ahahha

It will be a changing day in his life!!!

Somebody give this poor soul the green light. Hi mind is made up. All he needs is one guy to say "sounds good to me" and he's dropping his drawers and stabbing his pores.

 

[solidspine]

How old are you?

Deca and test are a perfect first cycle,


In general 12 weeks

400mg each

Inject all together twice a week,


With deca nice to have dosinex since you don’t know what gyno symptoms may arise, most likely nothing,

Also AIFM, easy and covers a wide range,


PCT


10 days of HCG at 1000iu will do it.

 

[madsdad]

I appreciate everyone's input and advice - that's why I'm posting on this forum - to learn what to do and what not to do - alot of my research has been online and talking with people at the gym so I've gotten alot of input, not necessarily always good info. Keep it comin' because I am taking it all in and hopefully I'll get enough right info to be successful with results once I decide to get started.

 

[madsdad]

Thanks for your advice. Should I start out lower and go up to 400mg? And what about the deca - I've heard it's better to do about half of deca per test?

How old are you?

Deca and test are a perfect first cycle,


In general 12 weeks

400mg each

Inject all together twice a week,


With deca nice to have dosinex since you don’t know what gyno symptoms may arise, most likely nothing,

Also AIFM, easy and covers a wide range,


PCT


10 days of HCG at 1000iu will do it.

 

[madsdad]

Thanks man! What's best for PCT with a stack of test/deca/winni? I appreciate it!

If it is your first cycle no need for pyramid
test should be run 2 wks after deca
and for a first cycle stay at one compound see how you react 500 to 750 for 10 to 12 wks have anti on hand and pct
don't use nolvadex with deca and is can be pill or liquid do some more reading and it soiunds like your diet isn't up to par
good luck

 

[jagerbombme]

Thanks man! What's best for PCT with a stack of test/deca/winni? I appreciate it!

dude, first cycle, i would hit test e at 500mg ew and leave it at that. if you insist on deca also then hit the deca at 300-400 ew. hit it hard, make sure diets good and you work your ass off and you'll have a nice cycle. don't pyramid the doses, just start at it and stick at it. smoother ride bro.

 

[madsdad]

Thanks Man, but what about the winni? and why do you recommend no pyramid?

dude, first cycle, i would hit test e at 500mg ew and leave it at that. if you insist on deca also then hit the deca at 300-400 ew. hit it hard, make sure diets good and you work your ass off and you'll have a nice cycle. don't pyramid the doses, just start at it and stick at it. smoother ride bro.

 

[BigCracker]

Oh shit! This guy is listening!

Retard Alert Canceled!!!

Code Yellow

Standing down.

1 compound like Test E is your best bet. 10 wks, no pyramid. 200 mgs every 4 days. By using 1 compound you'll get a good feel of how your body reacts to AS and you'll have less sides. Deca could cause weiner function probs-which could piss off the old lady. If mama aint happy aint nobody happy.

 

[SubwayJared]

my momma's happy

 

[jagerbombme]

Thanks Man, but what about the winni? and why do you recommend no pyramid?

i wouldn't. alotta guys complain about winny drying them out and making them ache. first cycle also you want to put on mass, eat like a madman and lift like a madman. the juice's long acting ester is a pyramid itself how it works in your body constantly building up higher levels and then when you discontinue it takes 2 weeks before levels are even down low enough to start pct. so without doing any manual pyramid, your pyramidding down naturally over probably reallly 3 weeks. and who cares about pyramidding up. hit the shit hard. only logic i could ever understand why they pyramidded back in the day was to pyramid off.

 

[madsdad]

Thanks - I've decided to not pyramid and was thinking 750 of test and 400 of deca a week and then 50 winni ed for the last 5 wks...what do you think?

i wouldn't. alotta guys complain about winny drying them out and making them ache. first cycle also you want to put on mass, eat like a madman and lift like a madman. the juice's long acting ester is a pyramid itself how it works in your body constantly building up higher levels and then when you discontinue it takes 2 weeks before levels are even down low enough to start pct. so without doing any manual pyramid, your pyramidding down naturally over probably reallly 3 weeks. and who cares about pyramidding up. hit the shit hard. only logic i could ever understand why they pyramidded back in the day was to pyramid off.

 

[DonCorleone562]

Still way too much for a first cycle bro.

Test at 500...period...no deca, no winny.

Keep it simple.
If you cant grow with 500mg/week of test...you dont know how to work out, eat and or rest.

No need to waste your $$$ on extra gear, not to mention the sides you will get.
Bro, you been a member since 2005, and still havent learned the basics....yikes

 

[BigCracker]

Retard Alert!!! Re-implemented!!! Ding! Ding! Ding!

Code Red

Newb is waiting for someone to tell him 1500 mgs/wk of 3 compounds is a good start. 3x the amounts of mgs he needs to make decent gains and minimal side effects. My friend is training for the USA, has been juicing 4 years, and takes less(he's a welterweight though). More is not betta!!!

How much do Dr Phil tix cost?

 

[DonCorleone562]

Wait a fucking minute!!!

You are a fucking platinum member?!!? DO SOME RESEARCH!!! You have the fucking search function available for you....USE IT.

 

[madsdad]

I hear you - although I've been a member since 2005 I did research and decided not to do anything - getting back into it and starting rom scratch. I've read alot on elite - I think I get messed up atlking to too many people, not to mention people at the gym. Thanks again!

Still way too much for a first cycle bro.

Test at 500...period...no deca, no winny.

Keep it simple.
If you cant grow with 500mg/week of test...you dont know how to work out, eat and or rest.

No need to waste your $$$ on extra gear, not to mention the sides you will get.
Bro, you been a member since 2005, and still havent learned the basics....yikes

 

[BigCracker]

You're probably gonna get better advice here than your gym. If someone here gives you shitty advice, they'll get flamed. Telling the biggest juicer guys in the gym to their faces that they're stupid or misinformed won't happen too often. Therefore they speak as if their advice is not to be questioned and above criticism-which can be pretty convincing.

 

[jagerbombme]

You're probably gonna get better advice here than your gym. If someone here gives you shitty advice, they'll get flamed. Telling the biggest juicer guys in the gym to their faces that they're stupid or misinformed won't happen too often. Therefore they speak as if their advice is not to be questioned and above criticism-which can be pretty convincing.

good call. very true. you should do your research here or online and do your juice and keep your MOUTH shut. nobody needs to know. now you think you've jeopardized yourself by talking about it. dude, you got more to learn than about juice, you got to learn drug code, hehe, and how you don't talk about it. if your gonna do a first cycle only do 500mg test. that's it. that's all you need. you will get huge. you will not get bigger using more juice dude. you can only get so strong so fast. 500mg of test will give this to you. period. 250mg might do it. might not. i am a 500mg guy so i will go with that. but i strongly believe that more wouldn't have given more. my 1 rep max was around 270 for bench and on first cycle i was hitting that 10 reps and max was 325 for 2 reps. do you honestly believe that more juice would've taken me further in only 10 weeks. comon bro. listen to what these guys are saying, and cracker knows his shit despite his raw humor

 

[madsdad]

Thanks for all of your constructive criticism and information - I appreciate it! I see that I do have alot to learn and think that I am at the right place to do so - that's why I hooked up with this site. Thanks again!

You're probably gonna get better advice here than your gym. If someone here gives you shitty advice, they'll get flamed. Telling the biggest juicer guys in the gym to their faces that they're stupid or misinformed won't happen too often. Therefore they speak as if their advice is not to be questioned and above criticism-which can be pretty convincing.

 

[madsdad]

Thanks - I hear ya Man! What you're saying makes good sense - I think I'm just gonna stick with the 500mg test. Quick question for ya - my guy has test e and a test blend and he said that I could take them both in the same cycle - not 500mg each, but run the test e then the blend - what do you think?

good call. very true. you should do your research here or online and do your juice and keep your MOUTH shut. nobody needs to know. now you think you've jeopardized yourself by talking about it. dude, you got more to learn than about juice, you got to learn drug code, hehe, and how you don't talk about it. if your gonna do a first cycle only do 500mg test. that's it. that's all you need. you will get huge. you will not get bigger using more juice dude. you can only get so strong so fast. 500mg of test will give this to you. period. 250mg might do it. might not. i am a 500mg guy so i will go with that. but i strongly believe that more wouldn't have given more. my 1 rep max was around 270 for bench and on first cycle i was hitting that 10 reps and max was 325 for 2 reps. do you honestly believe that more juice would've taken me further in only 10 weeks. comon bro. listen to what these guys are saying, and cracker knows his shit despite his raw humor

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

I'm wanting to do a 12 wk pyramid cycle with test e and deca - peaking at 1500mg of test e and 900 of deca. Any advice on a cutting cycle after?

wow, you have definatly done your reading and are very educated on gear....

 

[BigCracker]

Thanks - I hear ya Man! What you're saying makes good sense - I think I'm just gonna stick with the 500mg test. Quick question for ya - my guy has test e and a test blend and he said that I could take them both in the same cycle - not 500mg each, but run the test e then the blend - what do you think?

By using the test blend in addition to test E, we're back to the issue of using multiple compounds. A test blend is likey 3 in 1 or 4 in 1, therefore you'd ultimately be using 3-5 compounds at once. Let's say you follow your guy's advice and in 2-3 weeks your back breaks out in cyst-like zits that are painful and do not pop. You won't know which compound is responsible. Man, your friends are juice overkill all the way. I grew like a weed on 200-400 mgs for years and it allowed me to truly dial in my diet and training-which in the end are where the majority of your results come from.

 

[jagerbombme]

By using the test blend in addition to test E, we're back to the issue of using multiple compounds. A test blend is likey 3 in 1 or 4 in 1, therefore you'd ultimately be using 3-5 compounds at once. Let's say you follow your guy's advice and in 2-3 weeks your back breaks out in cyst-like zits that are painful and do not pop. You won't know which compound is responsible. Man, your friends are juice overkill all the way. I grew like a weed on 200-400 mgs for years and it allowed me to truly dial in my diet and training-which in the end are where the majority of your results come from.

once again i agree. the first cycle doesn't have to contain numerous compounds and large doses. it just needs a kicker. once you run the first cycle, when you get to the second, you will really see how good your diet is because if it's not you will not grow. simple as that. if your like me where you got higher bf, then it will help you hold muscle while you burn off some fat but nothing more. also easy to put on fat while on the shit. just do the test e bro. nice smooth ride and great results man. sust and other blends like that do cause many people to break out more than usual. plus your levels will be all over the place. keep it simple. it doesn't sound believable at the point you are in the game right now, i know, but pay close attention here. the diet is it man. it is. now that i've figured some shit out im cutting fat at a decent rapid rate. i've dropped 6 pounds in about 12 days. it's not water either, its quality fat, and i'm not on. i'm gonna lose as much bf as possible before i cycle again. then when i hit it again, i'm gonna stuff myself and smoke as much pot as possible to eat as much as possible cause that's where the secret lies.

 

[madsdad]

Gotcha - makes good sense - thanks!

By using the test blend in addition to test E, we're back to the issue of using multiple compounds. A test blend is likey 3 in 1 or 4 in 1, therefore you'd ultimately be using 3-5 compounds at once. Let's say you follow your guy's advice and in 2-3 weeks your back breaks out in cyst-like zits that are painful and do not pop. You won't know which compound is responsible. Man, your friends are juice overkill all the way. I grew like a weed on 200-400 mgs for years and it allowed me to truly dial in my diet and training-which in the end are where the majority of your results come from.

 

[madsdad]

cool man - so what is your fat burning secret - I could use some fat burning myself!

once again i agree. the first cycle doesn't have to contain numerous compounds and large doses. it just needs a kicker. once you run the first cycle, when you get to the second, you will really see how good your diet is because if it's not you will not grow. simple as that. if your like me where you got higher bf, then it will help you hold muscle while you burn off some fat but nothing more. also easy to put on fat while on the shit. just do the test e bro. nice smooth ride and great results man. sust and other blends like that do cause many people to break out more than usual. plus your levels will be all over the place. keep it simple. it doesn't sound believable at the point you are in the game right now, i know, but pay close attention here. the diet is it man. it is. now that i've figured some shit out im cutting fat at a decent rapid rate. i've dropped 6 pounds in about 12 days. it's not water either, its quality fat, and i'm not on. i'm gonna lose as much bf as possible before i cycle again. then when i hit it again, i'm gonna stuff myself and smoke as much pot as possible to eat as much as possible cause that's where the secret lies.

 

[Hurricane55]

I'm wanting to do a 12 wk pyramid cycle with test e and deca - peaking at 1500mg of test e and 900 of deca. Any advice on a cutting cycle after?

edit- didn't read all the pages. Way to not get butt hurt and take people's advice.

 

[madsdad]

I was led wrong but have learned alot from posting this -

edit- didn't read all the pages. Way to not get butt hurt and take people's advice.