NEED HELP Planning Spring Cycle

[kkklick]

Stats: 23, 2 cycles, 15% bf, 190~ pounds 6'1

I've just jumped off a var cycle and saw great results (given what I was using), but now I'm ready to use injectables and am planning to start a cycle this summer after my last exam, I'll have 16 weeks free off of school and I will only be working part time.

My goal for the cycle is exactly this: I want to lose fat and gain muscle, more of a slow recomp than a straight bulk or cut. I don't want to get too big, being lean is the ultimate goal. If I could be 190 @ 8-10% bf I'd be a happy man.

Now what gear do I use, I'm nervous about androgens because I'm prone to sides. The sides that I ABSOLUTELY want to avoid at all costs are acne and gyno.

Compounds that I'm interested in are perhaps Masteron, Eq, Primo, Var again. While researching I gathered that a baseline cycle would look something like this:
Week 1-16 Primo 600mg/week (or Masteron 400mg)
Week 1-16 Eq OR Maintenance dose of test
Week 10-16 Var 70mg
PCT: Haven't gotten that far yet, researching at the moment.

I'm not adversed to running a maintenance dose of test or maybe even a bit higher, but what are the chances of side effects from the test at a maintenance or slightly higher than maintenance dose? If you get sides are they as aggressive as if you had run a higher amount of gear? A study showed that out of 13 men who took 300mg test a week, 7 got acne, but those who ran 600, only 2/13 got acne.

Planning the cycle to start April 25th-ish, so still have some time to plan and acquire gear as well as do some more research.

Any input would be appreciated

 

[weizy]

First issue, what are you running for a PCT, you don't have anything mentioned in your post.

Next issue. Why are you planning to run an oral coming of cycle? That is bound to make your recovery harder.

Next, next issue. I realize you're off for 16 weeks but that doesn't mean you need to run gear for that extensive amount of time. You don't know how hard or long it will take you to recover since orals are usually less prone to shut you down. Plus I know I wouldn't wanna be starting my new term while in PCT, you're not gonna feel on you're A-game for at least 2-3 weeks from the time you come off.

If you are doing injectables for the first time I would be inclined to keep it to just test, something like Test E at 500-650mg, and if you want to feel it from start to finish tack that anavar at the start of your cycle. I don't really think you need to run 2 injectable compounds for you're first cycle.

In the end honestly I feel like you need to do quite a bit more research before you jump on this train. You seem to want a substantial boost without any sides or consequences which are almost automatic when it comes to AAS. Fill in some of the holes I've pointed out and I'll try to keep helping you out.

Weizy

 

[kkklick]

First issue, what are you running for a PCT, you don't have anything mentioned in your post.

Next issue. Why are you planning to run an oral coming of cycle? That is bound to make your recovery harder.

Next, next issue. I realize you're off for 16 weeks but that doesn't mean you need to run gear for that extensive amount of time. You don't know how hard or long it will take you to recover since orals are usually less prone to shut you down. Plus I know I wouldn't wanna be starting my new term while in PCT, you're not gonna feel on you're A-game for at least 2-3 weeks from the time you come off.

If you are doing injectables for the first time I would be inclined to keep it to just test, something like Test E at 500-650mg, and if you want to feel it from start to finish tack that anavar at the start of your cycle. I don't really think you need to run 2 injectable compounds for you're first cycle.

In the end honestly I feel like you need to do quite a bit more research before you jump on this train. You seem to want a substantial boost without any sides or consequences which are almost automatic when it comes to AAS. Fill in some of the holes I've pointed out and I'll try to keep helping you out.

Weizy

16 weeks is a long cycle for sure, I think 12 would be a much better option then?
So Test E + var, I actually like the sound of that cycle a lot, I was thinking primo and mast wouldn't do nearly as much as a test cycle. I'm not trying to fast track through the process of becoming lean I want to do it as safely as possible.

Questions:
- I know there are tons of products that prevent gyno, but they are not full proof correct? At 23 I still get acne pimples here and there on my face/back, I know tanning and certain body washes help reduce the acne. If I do get acne is it permanent or just until the test leaves the body?

Now that I got the basis for the cycle I will be planning pct and all the ancilliries I'll be needing. Any input would be great.

 

[TheSVPdeal]

23 years old, 6'1", 190lbs, 15% bodyfat? Are you juicing as a shortcut?

I recommend that you take some time off the gear and train naturally. Put on 20lbs of quality muscle and try again. During that time, you will learn how to eat and train better to get the moat out of your cycles.

Anyone else feel the same?

 

[Anabolic chest]

23 years old, 6'1", 190lbs, 15% bodyfat? Are you juicing as a shortcut?

I recommend that you take some time off the gear and train naturally. Put on 20lbs of quality muscle and try again. During that time, you will learn how to eat and train better to get the moat out of your cycles.

Anyone else feel the same?

Yeah your probably right. 190 is pretty underdeveloped. If you only want to be 190 with 8% BF why do you need steroids, diet and training will get you there easy enough

 

[weizy]

I'm inclined to agree with these 2 about training natty for the summer, getting your diet in complete check and training hard for the summer will give you what you are looking for.

But I'll keep to what I said and here's an answer to your questions:

Yes, test-e and anavar would be your best bet.

Week 1-12 Test-E at 500mg/week, pinned either mon/thurs or tue/fri at 250 each
Week 1-3/4 Anavar at 40-50mg.

You really only need to take the anavar until you feel the test-e kick in which will be around the 3+ week range. It obviously presents strength value but since you are on your first injectable you will definitely get a lot out of the test.


PCT:

Keep arimidex and letro on hand during cycle if they're available to you. When you come off, I would suggest trying out the three headed prong of Unleashed, Post-cycle and HCGenerate. This'll prevent you from crashing too hard and get you're natural production back on track. Run a full bottle of each of them as directed.

As for the acne it really changes from person to person. Yes it will get worse while on, no it is not permanent as you're elevated levels come down when you come off it will calm down.

 

[kkklick]

I'm inclined to agree with these 2 about training natty for the summer, getting your diet in complete check and training hard for the summer will give you what you are looking for.

But I'll keep to what I said and here's an answer to your questions:

Yes, test-e and anavar would be your best bet.

Week 1-12 Test-E at 500mg/week, pinned either mon/thurs or tue/fri at 250 each
Week 1-3/4 Anavar at 40-50mg.

You really only need to take the anavar until you feel the test-e kick in which will be around the 3+ week range. It obviously presents strength value but since you are on your first injectable you will definitely get a lot out of the test.


PCT:

Keep arimidex and letro on hand during cycle if they're available to you. When you come off, I would suggest trying out the three headed prong of Unleashed, Post-cycle and HCGenerate. This'll prevent you from crashing too hard and get you're natural production back on track. Run a full bottle of each of them as directed.

As for the acne it really changes from person to person. Yes it will get worse while on, no it is not permanent as you're elevated levels come down when you come off it will calm down.

Awesome, I appreciate you taking the time to answer those questions. Other than Arimidex and letro, unleashed, post-cycle, hcgenerate, are there any other gear support I may need? I want to be 100% prepared for any eventuality. Also any other products that may not be necessary but will help gains/reduce sides/help get the most out of my cycle.

To those who said my frame hasn't filled out yet, that's true. My Pakistani genetics have definitely made it difficult to make gains. I made more gains off 8 weeks of anavar than I did the previous 6 months with no change in diet or exercise frequency. I gather that my body would potentially react positively to the test in terms of results especially given the fact that this is my first "real" cycle. I only want to run this 1 cycle and after that I will be taking a LONG break from AAS until later in life.

I will be working on a solid diet to acheive my goal of muscle building and slight fat cutting. Once I get a baseline I'll put it up here for some feedback. Also I will be getting my T levels checked prior to my cycle so I can adjust the dose per week, 500 sounds good though.

Any other input would be appreciated, I'm not a hard head and if I REALLY should not be cycling then please let me know, but I still think that test would really help me out and I would assume if I run it by the book I should have good gains, minimal sides and a strong recovery.

 

[kkklick]

Decided I will be doing the cycle. Bumping this thread as I need a bit more advice as I will be buying these compounds soon.

Gonna look like this

Week 1-12 = Test E 500mg/week
Week 1-6 = 70mg Anavar ed

Ancillaries = letro, arimidex
PCT = Post cycle, Unleashed, HCGenerate (as directed)

Now here's where I need help, I want this to be a re-comp cycle (gain fat and lose muscle at the same time), would I be better off turning this into a bulking cycle and then cutting after pct? My ultimate physique is one that is not bulky but shredded, 8-10% bf 190-195 pounds.

Can a re-comp cycle be done if diet is honed in? Would I not be making efficient use of the testosterone?

For AI's, are they only run just in case sides occur or can you run them on cycle to prevent sides from occurring?

Thanks.

 

[kkklick]

bump

 

[kkklick]

bump, i'll keep bumping this until someone answers, dont know why nobody is, pretty simple questions that would take 10 seconds to type.

 

[Anabolic chest]

Just do it man. I believe in you

 

[kkklick]

Just do it man. I believe in you

I will be. It's going to be a bulking cycle i decided. I want more mass, going to follow radar's list of foods to eat and arrange them so i eat the right things at the right times. Not sure how many calories I'll need but I'll prob adjust on cycle accordingly, ~3500 would prob be a good number to aim for.

If anyone can answer the previous questions in my previous post on the first page id greatly appreciate it.