Need help on deciding which PH to use

[SuperSki]

I didnt want to make a thread like this, I really didnt. I was confident I could do the research myself, ask for some advice here or there and just do it.

Last night I spent hours reading up on everything and decided to go with Helladrol.

Today I woke up, and thought, shit, I should go with Dieselbolan. Now I just dont know. So I have to resort to this type of newb thread if only to just think everything through a bit better.

Ok, so my main goals are to bulk, as cleanly as possible. I want to put on as much lean muscle as I can, but because this is my first time with a steroid of any kind, I want to reduce the possibility of sides.

A little bit about myself. Im 27, been lifting properly for about 2 years with a 3 month break in the middle. Im 6'3 and 96kg, about 15% BF at the moment.

My main genetic problem is that while I find it hard to put on muscle, I put on fat very very easily. So any sort of bulk, even if totally clean, I bloat out and put on fat. Only in my face and my stomach, no where else. If I eat maintenance level, I dont put on any muscle, as soon as I eat enough to put on muscle, I get fat. PAIN IN THE ASS.

So, Id like to do a 3 month bulk, and finish it off with 6 weeks of Hella, or 4 weeks of Dieselbolan, just to max out muscle gains. Im going to start first month eating just above maintenance, then 2nd add a bit more, and then 3rd want to go beast mode.

What do you guys recommend? Im all about aesthetics with this, strength to me is a side effect. Im not a power lifter. Benching 100kg and squatting 120 is enough for me.

Also, the reason I am going PH is that I am in Australia, and dont want to go black market for injectables right now, so need something I can get through customs.

Well, that is pretty much it!

Be gentle.

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

I would recommened Beast or another Superdrol clone... or Trenazone... or Some kind of Epi for cutting... What ive heard of that works well...

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

If strength is a side effect, then i dont think PH or gear in general is for you.... You gonna instantly be lifting more from placebo effect alone....

 

[SuperSki]

If strength is a side effect, then i dont think PH or gear in general is for you.... You gonna instantly be lifting more from placebo effect alone....

That's great. What I meant was, I know some substances are better for strength and some better for mass. I'd prefer the one better for mass, as while the strength gains are welcome, they are not the priority. I also understand that with strength comes size. Heck, I did 5x5 powerlifting routine for 3 months knowing that fact.

But with this cycle, looks and size are what I am after, and strength comes second.

Sorry if I worded that wrong to begin with.

 

[SuperSki]

I would recommened Beast or another Superdrol clone... or Trenazone... or Some kind of Epi for cutting... What ive heard of that works well...

I hear beast has terrible sides and isn't great for a first cycle.

 

[TheSVPdeal]

I hear beast has terrible sides and isn't great for a first cycle.

Not true. It's great for a first cycle. Run it at 20mg.

 

[die faster]

lol i put on fat the same way too man it fucking sucks. i can be 13% bodyfat but with upper abs showing, great back definition, but a blob of fat on my lower stomach and face.

as for dieselbolan, i would hold off for now. this is just my opinion, but the 13ethyl in diesel is a nandro. and for a first cycle its probably a better idea to stay away from progestins. diesel2 is so underrated it really is a powerful stack. also it gave me a terrible moon face which im sure youre sensitive to so you dont want that.

just go with epi or hella, you cant go wrong. you should post up your diet in the diet section and ask for some help on a good lean bulk diet. dylangemelli seems to be the master of lean bulking im sure he'd be willing to help you there too

 

[Judo Tom]

hella is a great first cycle. cant go wrong there. just get everything, especially your diet, 100% on track before you start.

 

[SuperSki]

lol i put on fat the same way too man it fucking sucks. i can be 13% bodyfat but with upper abs showing, great back definition, but a blob of fat on my lower stomach and face.

as for dieselbolan, i would hold off for now. this is just my opinion, but the 13ethyl in diesel is a nandro. and for a first cycle its probably a better idea to stay away from progestins. diesel2 is so underrated it really is a powerful stack. also it gave me a terrible moon face which im sure youre sensitive to so you dont want that.

just go with epi or hella, you cant go wrong. you should post up your diet in the diet section and ask for some help on a good lean bulk diet. dylangemelli seems to be the master of lean bulking im sure he'd be willing to help you there too

I appreciate it man thanks!

Sounds like we have the same problems. Man, I can be eating like brocolli and chicken for three meals, eggs and oats for breakfast, and whey of course, and still get fat in my stomach and face.

 

[SuperSki]

hella is a great first cycle. cant go wrong there. just get everything, especially your diet, 100% on track before you start.

Thanks. Think I am pretty set with everything, and doing a clean bulk running into the cycle should let me iron everything out to perfection!

 

[die faster]

fasted am cardio, with my biggest meals and carb intakes being breakfast right after cardio and post workout, with minimal carbs at night (low carbs worked better than no carbs for me) just melted the fat off. i went from about 13-14% down to about 11 in a couple weeks. maybe you could try taht

 

[SuperSki]

fasted am cardio, with my biggest meals and carb intakes being breakfast right after cardio and post workout, with minimal carbs at night (low carbs worked better than no carbs for me) just melted the fat off. i went from about 13-14% down to about 11 in a couple weeks. maybe you could try taht

Yeah I am the same. I also respond very well to keto. But now I want to bulk so need to sacrifice a little, just hate that whenever I bulk I get a lot of fat too. I find it hard to bulk without upping the carbs a little, which ups muscle, but also fat.

 

[dylangemelli]

okay bro... im sorry i didn't get to this thread sooner but i got very busy at work... This is an easy answer for you... There are two options that I can see... You don't want to run dieselbolan, I can tell you that right off the jump... So scratch that... Its not consistent with your goals... You do not even want to consider beast if its your first cycle for many reasons but i think its fairly obvious if you've done any research... i don't even believe its a good second cycle either... its for more experienced users, which at this point in time, you are not...

you should go with your original though which was running helladrol... I put on 15lbs. and went from 7% body fat to 6.2%... NOW, if you are really that genetically hampered with weight gain, a great option is to stack helladrol with katanadrol... I think that would be your best bet... NOW, your diet needs to be very clean and you need to hit the gym HARD bro... You can get so much out of this cycle if you do it properly... I can definitely help you get it set up, but this is the route you need to be on... then we can see how your body reacts and go from there... I can bukld this cycle for you where you will get a ton of strength, put on some good lean muscle and get some nice shred with it...

 

[SuperSki]

okay bro... im sorry i didn't get to this thread sooner but i got very busy at work... This is an easy answer for you... There are two options that I can see... You don't want to run dieselbolan, I can tell you that right off the jump... So scratch that... Its not consistent with your goals... You do not even want to consider beast if its your first cycle for many reasons but i think its fairly obvious if you've done any research... i don't even believe its a good second cycle either... its for more experienced users, which at this point in time, you are not...

you should go with your original though which was running helladrol... I put on 15lbs. and went from 7% body fat to 6.2%... NOW, if you are really that genetically hampered with weight gain, a great option is to stack helladrol with katanadrol... I think that would be your best bet... NOW, your diet needs to be very clean and you need to hit the gym HARD bro... You can get so much out of this cycle if you do it properly... I can definitely help you get it set up, but this is the route you need to be on... then we can see how your body reacts and go from there... I can bukld this cycle for you where you will get a ton of strength, put on some good lean muscle and get some nice shred with it...

Wow, just thinking about this has given me a pump!

Wouldnt the side effects be pretty hard for a first timer running a dual stack like that?

The one that I am most worried about that isn't addressed by running a good support system is hair loss. I have no idea, and cant find out, if it runs in my family so it's always been something I have worried about, although have seen zero signs of.

But this has me very interested. VERY.

I would very much like to order from as little stores as possible, being in Australia, often the shipping is more expensive than the product, plus customs is a bitch, so want to minimize the number of packages coming in and places to order from.

For that reason, I am very interested in running something based off of the Mr. Supps Starter Stacks, IF POSSIBLE. So getting for example the Helladrol Starter Stack + a bottle of Katana and then the necessary support from another site if necessary.

And Torem of course....

And then of course ILL NEED TO GO SHIRT SHOPPING ONCE I HULK THROUGH MY CURRENT ONES!

 

[dylangemelli]

lolll here's how i recommend running it... most all of this can be ordered at ntbm and mr supps...

helladrol 75/75/75/100/100/125
katanadrol 350/350/400/400/450/450
n2guard
fish oil
forma stanzol - start it mid cycle and continue through pct

PCT
torem 90/60/60/30
unleashed
daa
need2slin
lean xtreme
creatine nitrate...

this will be a sweet cycle bro...

 

[dylangemelli]

coupon codes... needto139 at needtobuildmuscle.com for 15% off and needto10 at mrsupps for 10% off...

 

[SuperSki]

What kind of sides can I expect from running these both together?

 

[SuperSki]

With the supporting supps and PCT, do I run everything as directed on the bottle? Need2Slin for example. Just trying to work out how many bottles I need of each for a four week PCT.