Need help newb w/first experience....

[Rustycage]

Hey guys I am 34 5'9 and 175. I have Never done aas before. I know my way way around a Gym but right now I don't work out with free weights because my joints wont allow it.. I am a BJJ player and have had a lot of joint injuries this year. I am also a Tile and Stone sub. and my joints are making me virtually unable to continue working. I have read and read and read for the past 9 months or so and all I can come up with is Decca is my cure. I want to do it right as I know it can have adverse effects if not. So I am ready to take Decca and Test now. My questions are will 1 ml work and do I need test. Also do I need PCT? From what I have read yes I need Test no I dont need test, test is all I need, no pct necessary, yes its necessary...etc The more I keep reading the more confused I get. Just when I think I have it figured out there's more too it. So I just want to ask and hope you guys are willing to help. Please let me know what you think. and Please take the time to explain your views... Thanks EDIT: I cant seem to form paragraphs....not sure why not....

 

[thelion2005]

We have no background info on you at all and it is tough to reply. You seem to want joint relief, not massive muscle.

With that in mind ... Why not take a small amount of test p first and just see what happens? It won't take much to show some relief within 3-4 weeks. Then you can combo test p and deca into a very safe stack and again see what happens.

If you stay under 100 mg p/w, you don't even need PCT.

Should you start to move up to higher dosages, best to read all the stickies and some e-books to broaden your knowledge.

 

[HAYEZ]

i dont think steroids are your answer if you just want joint relief...why not go to the doc?

if you really want to use deca for joint pain 200mg ew will do the trick but know that as soon as you stop the pain comes back

 

[Rustycage]

Yes I am after relief not mass right now.

So test for a month then add deca

pct not needed at small doses. Is that just for the first time?Take the same amount of Test as Deca for the same amount of time?

I have read a ton of stickies here and other places but where I get confused is when other stuff is added or taken away. So I am not sure if I take 1 ml of test and 1 ml of deca should I do that for ten wks or 20? and do I need to wein at a low dose? There is always a little difference in what I am looking for and what I find in posts. I really just want to get it right.....
Thank you very much for your input...

What background do you need?

 

[Rustycage]

i dont think steroids are your answer if you just want joint relief...why not go to the doc?

if you really want to use deca for joint pain 200mg ew will do the trick but know that as soon as you stop the pain comes back

I have read contradictions on that subject all over. I am guessing it has to do with the person.

And I have been to the Doc. I dont have insurance and after a grand and no answers I cant afford anymore without ruining my credit.

Thanks for the point of view...

And any relief would be fantastic at this point as nothing else seems to work for me.

 

[HAYEZ]

whatever you have read on the pain not coming back is false...THE PAIN WILL COME BACK..i had a torn rotator injury for 8 months that i used deca to dull the pain
it acts as a anti inflamatory that is all..eat ibprofin do the same thing


if you want it for joint relief then take deca at 200mg ew for 10

test 200mg ew 1-14
deca 200mg ew 1-12

pct 11 days after last test shot
nolva 40mg 7 days
nolva 20mg 14 dyas
sustain alpha for 1 month
use hcg before pct at 500iu ed for 4 days

you wont see much gains with this but it will do what you want it to pain wise

 

[Rustycage]

Well I got my gear and I am going to go a head and do a full cycle. 20 ml of deca and 20 ml of test c. though the test is 250 and the deca 300mg. looks like some will be wasted?

Is there a discount on the pct stuff? 150 more sounds like a lot. Will I be able to use it on future endeavors?

Is the sustain the only pct i need and i use it for a month starting on the 11th day after last shot? and as for nolva when does that start? and hcg, start it on the seventh day after last shot?

Thanks any help is greatly appreciated....If anyone is willing to PM a conversation with me I would be very grateful!

 

[HAYEZ]

id run the test 12 weeks and the deca 10

pm needto for discounts on pct meds

1-12 test 400mg
1-10 deca 400mg

just save the rest of the deca for a later cycle..no reason to junk it

 

[joe d]

id do test 500ew for 10 weaks same day as last inject start 500-1000iu hcg eod for 10 days. the day after your last hcg shot start nolva at 40mg ed for 21 days then 20mg ed for the nect 7 days for a total of 30 days on the nolva. for those same 30 days you are on nolva run the sustain.

 

[Rustycage]

Thanks guys

 

[brandonp005]

If you run the deca with it, I would extend the test about 2 weeks beyond the deca just like Hayez said.

 

[Rustycage]

Great thanks.

 

[Rustycage]

id do test 500ew for 10 weaks same day as last inject start 500-1000iu hcg eod for 10 days. the day after your last hcg shot start nolva at 40mg ed for 21 days then 20mg ed for the nect 7 days for a total of 30 days on the nolva. for those same 30 days you are on nolva run the sustain.

Areyou saying bag the deca for now? Will the test put me on the mend ? and is the pct the same if I run both? I would rather do less and grow a little slower rather than try and blast into huge.

 

[HAYEZ]

if you are cycling for joint relief test only isnt going to do anything but hurt you

 

[ceo]

Get some Osteo Bi-Flex brand Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM. blue label, 2 caps a day. Also get cissus quadrangularis. Primaforce makes a good one. 40% ketosterones 1000mg. Take 2 to 4 a day. Take your fish/flax/borage/olive oils and supps. Drink plenty of water, a gallon a day is good. Make sure you are warming your joints up properly before you lift. Since your job is physical in nature, you should probably warmup your joints in the morning before you go to work. May even want to look into neoprene sleeves to keep joints warm while working and/or working out.

HTH

 

[joe d]

Areyou saying bag the deca for now? Will the test put me on the mend ? and is the pct the same if I run both? I would rather do less and grow a little slower rather than try and blast into huge.

if you are going to run a steroid cycle i would make the first cycle test or dbol. i wouldnt mess with a nandro yet. your joint problem needs to be addressed seperately. i would fix that first before you ran anything. decca is not going to fix your joint problems. i am sorry i thought i put that first in my reply. im not sure what happened.

 

[Rustycage]

I cant run test alone because my right wrist wont even allow for pushups ... When I cycle off I will have to weigh my options as to where to go from there. m just hoping this will do it for me..

If I run the Test at 500 and the Deca at 300 will that suffice? and will the pct be the same?

 

[HAYEZ]

if the pain is that bad why not run the test at 200 and the deca at 200 for 14 weeks then do pct...doesnt seem like your gonna get the mosat out of a cycle if you cant lift...the test will replace your maint levels and the deca will sooth the joints

 

[Rustycage]

That sounds good to me. How do I break down the percentages

And Thanks again HAYEZ