Need help for first AAS T-Bol - Winny

[jays23]

Hello, I'm 28 years old, 5'10 190 lbs 13% body fat and I've been lifting for 5 years.
My diet consist of 6 meals( 3200 calories). My goal is to gain 20 lbs of mass until the next summer.
I never use AAS. I want some advise about oral cycle to have the less sides possibles.

I want to know if this sound good


T-Bol 40 mg/day for 4 weeks


follow by PCT
1st week 40 mg Nolvadex
2nd week 20 mg Nolvadex
3th week 20 mg Nolvadex
4th week 20 mg Nolvadex


Or

Oral Winny 40g/day for 4 weeks fisrt thing in the morning
Does winny need a PCT?




Which one of the two are safer and which is the main sides, my main preoccupation are hair loss,lipid profile and liver toxicity?
For liver protection what do you recommand? Milk Thrisle?

Thanks

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Well first off, why oral only ? Are you prone to MPB ? The sides will really depend on the person as AAS effect everyone diffrently. 17aa steroids are typically harder on the liver. ALA, Milk Thistle, Tylers Liver Detox, Evening Primrose oil can all be used to protect the liver while on or off cycle. Yes, you will need to run PCT with Winny as well.

M18

 

[mikematt06]

throw in 10 weeks of test enanthate at 500 mgs week with tbol at 50 mg ed. then consider cutting. u will produce some gains on the tbol/winny cycle but not much

 

[bbkingpin]

It takes almost 4 weeks for the gains to start accumulating. Nolvadex is not good for PCT. Clomid and/or HCG is better. I'd do the winny for 6 weeks or the tbol for 4 followed by the winny for 4 weeks.

 

[jays23]

Well first off, why oral only ? Are you prone to MPB ? The sides will really depend on the person as AAS effect everyone diffrently. 17aa steroids are typically harder on the liver. ALA, Milk Thistle, Tylers Liver Detox, Evening Primrose oil can all be used to protect the liver while on or off cycle. Yes, you will need to run PCT with Winny as well.

M18

I'm talking of oral because I don't really know how to inject it correctly.And I read that testosterone are very suppressive for the HPTA.So it afraid me a little. I think I'm prone to MPB. For the liver, is it a good idea to take the ALA, Milk thistle,evening primrose oil before starting using a 17aa steroids?
Do you think Winny at 40mg/day for 4 weeks will be dangerous for my liver? So which cycle do you recommend for me.

Thanks

 

[jays23]

It takes almost 4 weeks for the gains to start accumulating. Nolvadex is not good for PCT. Clomid and/or HCG is better. I'd do the winny for 6 weeks or the tbol for 4 followed by the winny for 4 weeks.

For a PCT with Clomid and HCG which dose do you recommend: Clomid 150 mg/day for 4 weeks? And for your cycle of 8 weeks tbol/winny which dose do you use?


Thanks

 

[MUSTANG_18]

I'm talking of oral because I don't really know how to inject it correctly.And I read that testosterone are very suppressive for the HPTA.So it afraid me a little. I think I'm prone to MPB. For the liver, is it a good idea to take the ALA, Milk thistle,evening primrose oil before starting using a 17aa steroids?
Do you think Winny at 40mg/day for 4 weeks will be dangerous for my liver? So which cycle do you recommend for me.

Thanks

Almost any type of AAS will shut you down, thats why you follow a proper PCT and your recovery should be fine. There are plently of pics on the net that will show you how to inject properly. If you take the proper pre-cautions then your liver should be fine. If you really want to be sure, get your blood work done before and after your cycle to make sure everything is normal. I personally would re-think your cycle and go with something like Test 500mg/week for 8-10 weeks. I think you'll be alot more satisfied with your results. Between the 2, I'd go with the T-Bol for 6-8 weeks.

M18

 

[bbkingpin]

For a PCT with Clomid and HCG which dose do you recommend: Clomid 150 mg/day for 4 weeks? And for your cycle of 8 weeks tbol/winny which dose do you use?


Thanks

Winny 40-50mg/day
T-bol (I'm guessing) 40mg+
PCT -- Clomid 50-100mg/day for 2-3 weeks
HCG 1000 IUs eod