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Existantia

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Hey there,
Im 5'3" and 116 lbs. My bf% is 17 I think. I go to the gym 5-6 days a week. I do cardio 4-6 days a week and I do weight 2-3 times a week. I was a bit frustrated because I had been training this much for 3 mos. with very little physical results. But then again, I had a poor diet. Im looking to lose some bodyfat in order to look good for the summer so I was hoping someone could help me out with my diet. I have certain allergies. I am allergic to all seafood, eggs, and nuts (except peanuts). the only dairy I really have is skim milk. Can you guys help me find something that is good for me so I can drop a bit of weight this month? I'm getting a bit frustrated.

Today I had a bowl of bran (cup and a half) with skim milk

lunch I had broccoli and roasted chicken minus the skin

For a snack I had a pure strawberry juice

Dinner I had A LOT of meatballs over a big pile of green beans (too much meat?)

I also had 2-3 bottles of water

Im trying to reduce my carbs (but I wanna keep the bran cereal for fibre)

Help me out, am I on the right track? I wanna lose the 1-2 lbs a week and be ready for summer which is 2 months from now roughly.
 
#1. Drop the strawberry juice. Pure or not, its just a big glass of flavored sugar! Your body doesnt care if its table sugar, high fructose corn syrup or naturally occuring sugar from fruit. Its sugar.

#2. Eat MORE! Your body thinks its starving and is trying to hold on to fat. Dont go below 1800 calories, just make them healthy calories split up over as many meals as is practical for you. (at least 5)

#3. "too much meat?" Too much of anything is too much. If a meal is more than your body can reasonably assimilate for bodily functions, it gets stored as fat. If those meatballs were lean meat then ok, but if they were a fatty cut of meat then they were working against your goal. The green beans were good though.
(it could be that the far too small portions for the preceeding meals are contributing to overeating later in the day. That is the worst possible time to eat too much since you are probobly not going to burn off many more calories before bed)

#4. Have protien at every meal. Consuming protien causes a rise in your metabolic rate of up to 25%, which equates to the potential for more fat to be burned.

#5. Consider a lactose free, carb free protien powder for the additional protien and clean calories. Also think about a natural peanut butter...

#6. Dont reduce the carbs, clean them up. Green vegtables are fiborous and help to liberate fat into fatty acids where they can be taken into the blood stream and disposed of as waste.

#7. Chicken, turkey, lean beef, soy (if you like that sort of thing), peanuts, peanut butter... there are lots of choices for protien...


"Am I on the right track?"

NO!!!
Dont take this the wrong way, Im seriously trying to help, not bash you, but you are setting yourself up for a big letdown. Lots of people do that and blame it on every factor they can except for what the problem really is.
But you sound like you know that or you wouldnt be asking this ;)

Some things to remember are:

*too few calories will only cause weight loss at first, and will result in a rapid regain of weight. The catch is, youll initially lose mostly muscle, then youll gain back primarily fat!

*PLEASE dont be fooled into the old starvation dieting frame of mind. Your body needs fuel to burn fat. Think of your body like a furnace. You can:
a)open the door of the cold dark furnace and throw in some junk you want to burn and watch it sit there in this cold empty furnace.
-or-
b)add some fuel into the furnace, get it warmed up and running, then throw in the junk onto the flames and watch it be burned.

Your body is the same. Your metabolism is the furnace, with no fuel it stops burning junk (fat) because it doesnt need to. When its fueled up and running it looks for more fuel to burn. By consuming smaller more frequent meals (without the sugar!) you force it to break down fat to use as a fuel sorce.

*That much cardio and weight training on such a small number of calories will make the scale lie to you and tell you youve lost some weight. Youre losing muscle, and as you lose muscle your metabolism slows down, and that means more fat will accumulate.

*Fruit is crap. Some people will try to tell you otherwise, but fruit is just little balls of "natures table sugar". You can take vitamins or look to other foods for those vitamins. You dont need fruit for vitamin C any more than you need milk for calcium (hell, broccoli has more calcium than milk...).

*basically concentrate on fibourous carbs, lean protiens and plenty of water. More than youre drinking now. Water is the fuel your cells use for many of the actions they carry out (it DOES affect the metabolism!)

*shoot for 1600-1800 calories. break them up between the number of meals youll have (i.e. 1700 calories over 5 meals is 340 calories per meal). Then figure out what youll eat for the meal. Chicken and broccoli for instance. Try to have portions big enough to equal out those calories.

"I wanna lose the 1-2 lbs a week and be ready for summer which is 2 months from now roughly."

That is easily acheviable! 1 pound a week on a good diet with exercise involved is very realistic, 2 pounds isnt out of the question either...

~ Some more aggresive strategies are:

*Cycle calories. 1800 for a couple of days, 2000 or more for a day , then drop the bottom out and go 1600 calories for a day then back to 1800. It will keep your metabolism running like crazy and constantly guessing. (all of these days should be clean calories)

*Flaxseed oil. EFA's are great for fat loss, and they can help spare lean tissue (remember what losing lean muscle tissue means! :) )

*play with your cardio intensity. a couple of minutes at high intensity (upper end of max heart rate) followed by a couple of minutes closer to 50% max heart rate, back and forth.

*use thermogenics if you can afford them and tolerate them well.

There are a few other things you can do, but this so far should give you the results youre looking for...

Good luck!!!
 
Thanx

Thank you so much for your help. Wow, you wrote a lot! I appreciate it!!!!Okay so Im gonna cut out fruit completely. I had a porkchop (lean cut with green beans) man I gotta find more variety with the veggies, and I will when I go shopping hehe. Umm ok Im gonna drink way more water....I had 4-5 bottles. If I have to intake more cals, what are some suggestions? keeping in mind my allergies?? Umm so carbs are ok? I cut em out I dunno if thats good or bad, but I do have that bran in the morning with skim which I looooove. Where would I get this flax seed oil??? SO should I mainly have lots of lean cuts of meat and veggies? I was told eat until you are satisfied, and thats what I do but I guess I should be eating more, or rather, more frequently. Maybe I will pick up some protein bars like you said. I burn usually 350 cal when I go to the gym for an hour just to let u know...not including weights when I do them. I tried a thermogenic and I was completely wacked out. It was no good for me. Plus my mom watches me like a hawk and gets very upset when she sees me on those diet pills haha......if its not too much trouble, could u help me come up with a meal plan example for one day? Im a little lost as to how much and what I should be eating. What are good snack ideas if protein bars are not on hand?



Thanking you in advance,



Melissa
 
new@gettinbig said:
Yep what good ol monster said:)
Wait - I didn't think friut was TOTAL evil! New@ - I thought you ate fruit? I know it's sugar, but 1 serving a day or every other day max???

Melissa,

Check out this thread I posted last week with the diet plan I made up for myself for food ideas:
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122134

As for how many cals you burn at the gym - Don't pay ANY ATTENTION to those machines.. they give you rough estimates anyway. Besides, cals in vs. cals out is a flawed equation anyway - WHAT cals are comprised of is very important.

Flax- do searches & read up on it. I highly recommned you DON'T try to drink it :sick: but it is OK with balsalmic vinegar on salad.
 
Existantia

Whoa there must be two Melissas in here.

No I dont find you guys intimidating AT ALL. I enjoy it when people are so direct. Im actually glad Im getting a response from someone who knows what they're talking about. Otherwise it's a waste of timeif youre not direct. You know yesterday I went to a dietician for the first time and well basically, Im no better off than I was before. She doesn't understand that I want to start training. She said everything in moderation. Siiiiiiiiiigh.
 
I knew there was a reason that we all missed Monster other than his stories!!!!!! Good Post Old Boy!!
Also eat some complex carbs such as oatmeal, sweet potatoes and brown rice. It is better if you eat these things earlier in the day and vegetables later.
 
Carbs

How is bran?I just found out then one i was eating had sugar so Im gonna have to find another one, I dunno if I should eat whole wheat pasta. Or whole wheat bagels?
 
I'm not sure of the GI of bran...anyone????
IMO you can't beat oatmeal as a complex carb.
The whole wheat past is low GI but calorie dense so you have to pay close attention to your portion size. Make sure what you are eating is whole grain - if it says "enriched" anything on the package then it isn't truly whole grain. An occasional bagel isn't going to hurt you, though. Kind of depends on how rigid you want to get with the diet.
 
Good carbs bad carbs

Okay so Im gonna force myself to eat oatmeal cause i hate it but who cares right?LOL I plan to be very rigid with this diet because I want maximum results. Ok so I guess I can have a slice of whole grain bread as long as its "whole grain" I already stopped eating pasta (we have whole wheat pasta) dont know if I should touch that. I have sunflower seeds unsalted. I guess those should help too right? Sorry Im just lost as to whats a good carb and whats a bad carbs to eat on this diet. I know generally that white flour and anything containing it aint so good. But there are whole grain breads. I dont know if I should stay away from those or how much I should be eating considering my size and intake. I guess just stick to veggies for fibre and maybe legumes? LOL geez I dont even know. Okay in the morning I'll have that disgusting oatmeal, umm, then for lunch lean meat and veggies, dinner the same. And lots of water and green tea. Im aiming for the 6 smaller meals now so I dont starve in between. Hopefully I'll get there now.
 
IMHO… she is 5'3" and 116 lbs. On 1800 cals (15.5 times her bodyweight in calories) she will not be able to lose weight…I understand the reasoning behind Monster’s suggestion, but she shouldn’t eat that many cals for more than a few weeks, after her metabolism is “adjusted”.if she kept eating that much she will get fat, and she is already doing cardio so that part is taken care of, whether or not her metabolism is “shot”so to say, no one knows…but she needs to eat between 1100-1500 cals to see any type of fat loss…and its obvious shes on the low end of metabolism range..if she had a fast metabolism id recommend more calories, but then again if she had a fast metabolism she wouldn’t need to lose weight….

Hey that’s my opinion….but it works.
 
Ms.Dietary Limitations

Okay okay,

How does this sound? Considering my allergies to seafood, eggs and nuts (except peanuts), Im impartial to milk products. Only like skim milk, no yogurt, no cheese, or anything like that.

Meal 1: Regular oatmeal from the packet with hot water before my workout (i got at 6 am get back at 8)

Meal 2(after workout): sunflower seeds and 1/2 cup of skim
Meal 3:brown rice 1-2 cups
Meal 4:Broccoli 1-2 cups, carrots, salad, cup of skim milk

Meal 5: Mixed veggies, green beans etc, 2-3 cups, about two fistfuls of lean skinless chicken

Meal 6:protein bar?

Of course adding at least 8 glasses of water and say 2 cups of green tea.
Im wondering also if I should switch from skim milk to soy. Will it make a difference? Any other meal suggestions? I was tol dto have comp carbs closer to the morning and stuff like veggies (such as broccoli, green beans and mixed vegetables, or should i go with leafy greens) and lean meat later on in the day. i would also be switching from chicken to beef or pork (all lean) every other day.
Im hoping this is enough calories. If it isnt for the exercise regimen that I have please feel free to make alterations.

:)
 
Re: Ms.Dietary Limitations

Not enough protein. Don't take cals below 1,200.

You want to lose weight - but do you want to be 'skinny fat' or cut/ripped/shredded/lean but muscular?

If so, you gotta have sufficient protein (1 gram per lb of body weight or so) & sufficient cals. Sufficient carbs for energy too.
 
Ya need more protein, hon. Also divide your protein up so you are getting some with every meal. Post workout you might try a shake made with protein powder and some soy milk. Looks to me like you may be getting too much skim milk in there - would put more whole food protein in it's place.

NYM - 116# for 5'3" is damn small, if she is thinking she needs to lose fat then I would say what is going on is that she has lost a bunch of lean mass with starving and it needs to be replaced. The only way that can be done that I know of is eating over maintenance by about 300 cal and pounding the weights. Don't think the rest of that fat is going to go away until she puts on some muscle. Correct me if I'm wrong.....
 
Temple01 said:
Ya need more protein, hon. Also divide your protein up so you are getting some with every meal. Post workout you might try a shake made with protein powder and some soy milk. Looks to me like you may be getting too much skim milk in there - would put more whole food protein in it's place.

NYM - 116# for 5'3" is damn small, if she is thinking she needs to lose fat then I would say what is going on is that she has lost a bunch of lean mass with starving and it needs to be replaced. The only way that can be done that I know of is eating over maintenance by about 300 cal and pounding the weights. Don't think the rest of that fat is going to go away until she puts on some muscle. Correct me if I'm wrong.....



Eating that much above maintenance for a prolonged period of time she will get fat..no 2 ways about it..eating SUPER clean while eating that many cals will help and may even prevent her from adding any fat at all the 1st few weeks to a month, but after that she wont be able to lose weight if she doesnt cut cals...remember she already has been doing cardio...its not like someone like me who adds cardio w/o changing diet and I lose weight ASAP, and then start cutting cals after my fat loss slows from cardio alone.
 
hey there

Yeah I am damn small actually. I have a small frame. Pretty petite. But my lean body mass has to go up and lower my body fat %> Like someone said in an erlier post. Im one of those skinny/fat ppl. Hehe, Im gonna buy some protein bars today I guess.
 
Re: hey there

Existantia said:
Yeah I am damn small actually. I have a small frame. Pretty petite. But my lean body mass has to go up and lower my body fat %> Like someone said in an erlier post. Im one of those skinny/fat ppl. Hehe, Im gonna buy some protein bars today I guess.

bars are ok...too much $$ though...get some protein powder.
 
NYM - so are you saying that she can lose the rest of her fat AND maintain it easily without adding a significant amount of lean mass???? How is she going to add lean mass without the raw material to do it from???
 
Hello

Okay so whey powder is good? Im going to the health store soon so I need to know what to pick up. Maybe I'll just pick up a few of those bars just for when Im on the go. I have a long comute to get to school so. I think that would be convenient for me. So Im guessing my meals are a bit too small huh.
 
Temple01 said:
NYM - so are you saying that she can lose the rest of her fat AND maintain it easily without adding a significant amount of lean mass???? How is she going to add lean mass without the raw material to do it from???


Your wording is confusing me im not sure what you are asking...but what is her goal? i think its fat loss...if she follows my plan i outlined she will lose weight (FAT)...and if she increased her protein (im willign to bet she eats like 25mgs a day at BEST) and varies her cals she will be able to add SOME lbm....it all comes down to her goals fat loss or LBM gain.

im not saying dont eat above maintenance calories, im just asying do NOT do it for a prolonged period of time..if she wants to lose weight, ultimately she will have to start cutting cals....or try to burn them by doing cardio but the amount she would need to burn if she did NOT cut calories would be ASTRONOMICAL, like 2-3 hrs of cardio a day.
 
Re: Hello

Existantia said:
Okay so whey powder is good? Im going to the health store soon so I need to know what to pick up. Maybe I'll just pick up a few of those bars just for when Im on the go. I have a long comute to get to school so. I think that would be convenient for me. So Im guessing my meals are a bit too small huh.

im off to the gym babe...ill help you out more tonight when i get back.
 
Yes, her goal is fat loss but with only 96# of lean mass give or take and the lack of calories I think she may well be to the point that her body is not going to give up any more fat stores by restricting calories. What I hear you telling her is to up the cals for a few weeks and then to restrict them again although not as radically as she did before. I have done what Monster has told her to do and the net result of those extra calories is going to be two fold - her metabolism will increase as her body is being fed and if she is training hard she will add lean mass which will increase her metabolism even further. Even if she gains a few pounds of fat in order to gain 10 or 12# of muscle in the long run she will be able to get leaner much easier. If she starts seeing some fat gain after a few weeks she can then start cycling her carbs a bit.
 
Im with you on that Temple. She isnt going to be able to lose much bodyfat through traditional means. Thats why I suggested the higher calories...
If her bodyfat is anywhere near as high as she says she WILL lose bodyfat eating above maintainance levels simply by creating an anabolic environment and doing away with the foods that are causing the violent insulin spikes.
Her body is probobly protien starved and will be hustling to put that new protien to use, so as long as simple carbs are controlled, she should dip into fat stores as she manages to add a little lean mass to her frame. Ive seen it happen before.

I can see shifting what I said down by 100 calories all the way around, but traditional dieting (that is, going below maintainance calories) will be detrimental to her. At 96lbs the only thing her body will be willing to give up will be muscle...
 
The_Monster said:


I can see shifting what I said down by 100 calories all the way around, but traditional dieting (that is, going below maintainance calories) will be detrimental to her. At 96lbs the only thing her body will be willing to give up will be muscle...


correct - thats why i agree with you on the upping the cals but only for a short period of time.
 
Re: Hello

Existantia said:
Okay so whey powder is good? Im going to the health store soon so I need to know what to pick up. Maybe I'll just pick up a few of those bars just for when Im on the go. I have a long comute to get to school so. I think that would be convenient for me. So Im guessing my meals are a bit too small huh.

Go get some designer whey protein by Next Nutrtion...see if u like it....but you can get all that stuff cheap online

www.dpsnutrition.com
 
[/QUOTE]I can see shifting what I said down by 100 calories all the way around, but traditional dieting (that is, going below maintainance calories) will be detrimental to her. At 96lbs the only thing her body will be willing to give up will be muscle... [/B][/QUOTE]


who ever said I was 96 lbs?????????/ LOL Im 116!!!
 
no protein huh?

Okay I showed u an example of a meal plan that I had....I bought the whey powder, oatmeal,soy milk. U know Im allergic to nuts, eggs and seafood, Im 116 not 96 lbs, What should I follow for a meal plan if I wanna bring my bf % down before summer without taking drugs???Other than that whey powder, oh yeah and I bought flax seed oil.
I would like to lose 1-2lbs of fat a week.I do cardio 4-7 times a week and weights 3 times a week.oughly 40 min and cardio for an hour at a time, saturday I do an hour of cardio plus an hour of pilates.

Can someone help me come up with a meal plan before Wed that will help me achieve this?
 
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