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goldwing110083
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Waste of time, waste of money, waste of energy...none of these things are effective. HGH is a waste of time if you are under 40 years old...and a waste of money...you are already making all you can use. Indications, but not proven, indicate that over 50 can benefit greatly from 1-2IU's per night in extending quality life. This stuff is expensive as hell, counterfit stuff is all over the place, (if you are using HGH Serostrim, take a pregnancy test after a few days...if positive, you have counterfit stuff.Sykoblaster said:Hello All!
I´m interested in those HGH Releasers,which were selled on hundreds of internet
sites on the net,i´m not interested in real HGH or real Oral HGH...only the ones
which can increase my own HGH-Level...the problem is how can i find the right one for me, cause there are so many sites???
The product should not contain L-Dopa (Bean),no Melatonin...
It sholud be from a trustable site,pharmaceutical purified,doctor proofed,no contaminations with other hormons,like testosterone, prohormones and so on.
If anyone knows something about this or a good book where i can find links or adresses or good i-net sites who sell worldwide please let me know,
Greetings
Syko
InfoSeekerTwo
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Don't waste your money. I've studied the data for years. You'd have to swallow a very large handful of certain amino acids (enough to make you gag) to get your pituitary to spike your hgh production; however, it only works in very young people and it only lasts for nanoseconds.
Here's the rule: If its not injectable, its not HGH. HGH is is a very large protein molecule and like insulin it is too large and delicate to ingest. It won't make it past the gut so it must be injected.
If you want your body to increase its HGH output the best thing you can do is WORK OUT. This causes the body to both release higher levels of HGH and testosterone.
If you spend your money on sprays, tablets, capsules, etc. you are simply wasting it.
Here's the rule: If its not injectable, its not HGH. HGH is is a very large protein molecule and like insulin it is too large and delicate to ingest. It won't make it past the gut so it must be injected.
If you want your body to increase its HGH output the best thing you can do is WORK OUT. This causes the body to both release higher levels of HGH and testosterone.
If you spend your money on sprays, tablets, capsules, etc. you are simply wasting it.
saint john
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somebody's telling some big whoppers if they're making all this up.
http://www.eurolabresearch.com/a_HGH_clinical.htm
Three Double-Blind Placebo-Controlled Studies
Barbara Brewitt, Ph.D., James Hughes, M.D.,
Elizabeth A. Welsh, Ph.D., Robert Jackson, D.C.
Discussion
Chewable tablets of homeopathic recombinant human growth hormone promoted significant physical, physiologic, and self-perceived quality-of-life benefits compared to placebo in healthy adults, ages 18-72 years old. Statistically significant were weight loss, decreased hip size and increased upper-arm size compared to placebo after 21 days of HhGH. Decreased hip size corresponds directly to less fat storage. Injectable pharmacologic hGH at concentrations of 0.125 international units(IU)/kg per week and 0.250 IU/kg per week reduced hip size statistically after 6 months. (31) The weight loss measured in Boulder was consistent with increased lean body mass. Clinical studies on GHD subjects who had injected pharmacologic concentrations of hGH for 6 months showed no marked changes in body weight.(4, 5 31-33) 6C + 100C + 200C HhGH evoked statistically significant treatment and time effects and 6X + 12C HhGH evoked statistically significant changes that were sensitive to gender, age, and baseline parameters. Specifically, males responded better to 6X + 12C HhGH in increasing upper-arm size, decreasing hip size, decreasing fat, and increasing lean body mass.
http://www.eurolabresearch.com/a_HGH_clinical.htm
Three Double-Blind Placebo-Controlled Studies
Barbara Brewitt, Ph.D., James Hughes, M.D.,
Elizabeth A. Welsh, Ph.D., Robert Jackson, D.C.
Discussion
Chewable tablets of homeopathic recombinant human growth hormone promoted significant physical, physiologic, and self-perceived quality-of-life benefits compared to placebo in healthy adults, ages 18-72 years old. Statistically significant were weight loss, decreased hip size and increased upper-arm size compared to placebo after 21 days of HhGH. Decreased hip size corresponds directly to less fat storage. Injectable pharmacologic hGH at concentrations of 0.125 international units(IU)/kg per week and 0.250 IU/kg per week reduced hip size statistically after 6 months. (31) The weight loss measured in Boulder was consistent with increased lean body mass. Clinical studies on GHD subjects who had injected pharmacologic concentrations of hGH for 6 months showed no marked changes in body weight.(4, 5 31-33) 6C + 100C + 200C HhGH evoked statistically significant treatment and time effects and 6X + 12C HhGH evoked statistically significant changes that were sensitive to gender, age, and baseline parameters. Specifically, males responded better to 6X + 12C HhGH in increasing upper-arm size, decreasing hip size, decreasing fat, and increasing lean body mass.
InfoSeekerTwo
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somebody's telling some big whoppers if they're making all this up.
Three Double-Blind Placebo-Controlled Studies
Barbara Brewitt, Ph.D., James Hughes, M.D.,
Elizabeth A. Welsh, Ph.D., Robert Jackson, D.C.
Discussion
Chewable tablets of homeopathic recombinant human growth hormone promoted significant physical
Saint: I hate to be the bearer of bad news but these types of claims are pure garbage. I was an HGH wholesaler and retailer with the top brands such as the current "gold standard" Humatrope by Eli Lilly.
I have spent over 7 years studying about HGH and attending CME (continuing medical education) classes for endocrinologists, etc.
Here is the HARD AND FAST RULE: If it's not injectable, its not HGH. This phrase "homeopathic recombinant human growth hormone" is an oxymoron - a total contradiction in terms. True HGH is a very large and fragile protein molecule. It CANNOT BE EATEN - it will destroyed in the gut.
It also cannot exist in storage at room temperature. So even if this "tablet" was HGH and it could be eaten, it would still decompose immediately.
Look at their "supposed" research. Their name is "eurolabs" or something similar and then they say their studies were done in three American cities. What independent labs did they use? Who validated or reviewed their studies? There were no Universities or University Hospitals or Clinics listed. No addresses, nothing published in any credible journal, etc.
And the clincher is, get ready for this: AN ORDER FORM FOR THEIR PRODUCT AT THE BOTTOM. Come on!!! Buy a clue. This is pure horse manure.
Why do they shamelessly lie like this? Because their is A TON OF MONEY TO BE MADE. The vast majority of people cannot afford to go to a legally licensed endocrinologist specializing in HRT. They cannot afford the bloodwork, etc. They cannot afford the enormous prices that are charged for domestically manufactured HGH. But they desperately want the results they have read about (whether true or false) and so they are gullible enough to let themselves be lied to so they can justify spending $59.95 on a bottle of nothing more than some amino acids or other nonsense that they can get at Walmart for $6.95 if they were paying attention.
Hey, if major pharmaceutical companies will lie about products like Vioxx ($150 a month, less effective than Tylenol, and can cause organ damage and even death) don't you think others will lie about "homeopathic" garbage? And then make up fake research to back their claims so they can sell their garbage to you?
I am not saying all homeopathic treatments are bad, their not. I am just saying that term is often used as a cover for "snake skin oil" products.
Here's a thought: The next time you see a major body builder or fitness guru selling you his brand of supplements, do some homework on him and find out how he got that body in the first place. Can you say STEROIDS?!!
They can't sell the real stuff here legally so they pretend that they used supplements to get their bodies - please!!! Wake up and look at the Winstrol ampule
Three Double-Blind Placebo-Controlled Studies
Barbara Brewitt, Ph.D., James Hughes, M.D.,
Elizabeth A. Welsh, Ph.D., Robert Jackson, D.C.
Discussion
Chewable tablets of homeopathic recombinant human growth hormone promoted significant physical
Saint: I hate to be the bearer of bad news but these types of claims are pure garbage. I was an HGH wholesaler and retailer with the top brands such as the current "gold standard" Humatrope by Eli Lilly.
I have spent over 7 years studying about HGH and attending CME (continuing medical education) classes for endocrinologists, etc.
Here is the HARD AND FAST RULE: If it's not injectable, its not HGH. This phrase "homeopathic recombinant human growth hormone" is an oxymoron - a total contradiction in terms. True HGH is a very large and fragile protein molecule. It CANNOT BE EATEN - it will destroyed in the gut.
It also cannot exist in storage at room temperature. So even if this "tablet" was HGH and it could be eaten, it would still decompose immediately.
Look at their "supposed" research. Their name is "eurolabs" or something similar and then they say their studies were done in three American cities. What independent labs did they use? Who validated or reviewed their studies? There were no Universities or University Hospitals or Clinics listed. No addresses, nothing published in any credible journal, etc.
And the clincher is, get ready for this: AN ORDER FORM FOR THEIR PRODUCT AT THE BOTTOM. Come on!!! Buy a clue. This is pure horse manure.
Why do they shamelessly lie like this? Because their is A TON OF MONEY TO BE MADE. The vast majority of people cannot afford to go to a legally licensed endocrinologist specializing in HRT. They cannot afford the bloodwork, etc. They cannot afford the enormous prices that are charged for domestically manufactured HGH. But they desperately want the results they have read about (whether true or false) and so they are gullible enough to let themselves be lied to so they can justify spending $59.95 on a bottle of nothing more than some amino acids or other nonsense that they can get at Walmart for $6.95 if they were paying attention.
Hey, if major pharmaceutical companies will lie about products like Vioxx ($150 a month, less effective than Tylenol, and can cause organ damage and even death) don't you think others will lie about "homeopathic" garbage? And then make up fake research to back their claims so they can sell their garbage to you?
I am not saying all homeopathic treatments are bad, their not. I am just saying that term is often used as a cover for "snake skin oil" products.
Here's a thought: The next time you see a major body builder or fitness guru selling you his brand of supplements, do some homework on him and find out how he got that body in the first place. Can you say STEROIDS?!!
They can't sell the real stuff here legally so they pretend that they used supplements to get their bodies - please!!! Wake up and look at the Winstrol ampule
saint john
New member
"Saint: I hate to be the bearer of bad news but these types of claims are pure garbage. I was an HGH wholesaler and retailer with the top brands such as the current "gold standard" Humatrope by Eli Lilly"
infoseekertwo, thanks for the reply. i appreciate that you went to the site and actually read.
what about this site? http://www.clubhgh.com/products.html any feel for this one, one way or the other? and would 1/2iu hgh injectable per day make a difference for me? i'm 56 years old and 165#. i have a doctor's scrip for testosterone cypionate 200 mg./week and nandrolone deconate 100 mg./week, so i'm already on those.
and what about the jintropin and fintropin mentioned earlier in this thread? is there a way i can order those on the net legally? i just can't afford the prices for the domestic brands.
anyone's feedback would be appreciated.
infoseekertwo, thanks for the reply. i appreciate that you went to the site and actually read.
what about this site? http://www.clubhgh.com/products.html any feel for this one, one way or the other? and would 1/2iu hgh injectable per day make a difference for me? i'm 56 years old and 165#. i have a doctor's scrip for testosterone cypionate 200 mg./week and nandrolone deconate 100 mg./week, so i'm already on those.
and what about the jintropin and fintropin mentioned earlier in this thread? is there a way i can order those on the net legally? i just can't afford the prices for the domestic brands.
anyone's feedback would be appreciated.
InfoSeekerTwo
New member
infoseekertwo, thanks for the reply. i appreciate that you went to the site and actually read.
what about this site? http://www.clubhgh.com/products.html any feel for this one, one way or the other? and would 1/2iu hgh injectable per day make a difference for me?
Hello Saint:
I have spoken with the owners of clubhgh.com in the past when I was still a wholesaler. They seem to be very legitimate. Basically what they are doing is buying generic HGH from GenSci, the makers of Jintropin, or some other pharmaceutical manufacturer in China and putting their own label on it. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's called free enterprise and more power to them.
The only thing you want to make sure of is that it has been assayed by an independent lab for both purity and potency. Some manufacturers out of China have had problems with red patches, swelling, itching and pain at the injection site. This is usually an indication of contamination from E.coli, the bacteria from which the product is produced using recombinant DNA technology.
Making the HGH in a vat of E.coli is now the easy part, however "After the E. coli has grown and multiplied sufficiently, a purification process is done to separate out the growth hormone. This is currently the most difficult and sophisticated portion of the manufacturing process."
The HGH is a very fragile protein molecule. It cannot be damaged in the separation process or it will not work. "Hormones work by precisely fitting into receptors on the surface of cells and cell membranes in the body. The process is very similar to fitting a key into a lock. All of the little twists, turns, and grooves on a key must be exactly right or the key will not open the lock. In the same way, the exact three-dimensional configuration of growth hormone must precisely fit into cell receptors or there will be no growth hormone activity. If purification and packaging of HGH is properly done, the molecule retains its shape and will do its job." If it isn't, you just spent your money for nothing. Also, during the purification process is the E.coli is not properly and completely separated from the HGH you will have contamination and when you inject it you will have welts or other reactions at the injection site.
To get an idea for the correct dosage, go to www.humatrope.com. I haven't been there in awhile but if you look around you will find a formula based on your weight. At your age, I would suggest (and I am NOT a doctor) 1 IU per day at a MINIMUM. But anything you take above what your body is producing now will be beneficial. Its like having a vitamin deficiency. Anything you take towards supplementing that deficiency is better than nothing.
The testosterone supplements are excellent. You said you were under a doctors supervision. That is perfect. In my humble opinion, the two most important hormones men should be supplementing as they age are Human Growth Hormone (Somatotropin) and Testosterone. The male body simply MUST have it to function properly. The administration of each tends to boost the level of the other but neither is sufficient on its own.
If you do your shopping, there are sites that will sell HGH for much less than $8 per IU. Jintropin by GenSci seems to be the most reputable one that I know of out of China these days, though there are bunches of up and comers lately. Their quality and reputations have yet to be established. You should be able to get Jintropin for as little as $4 per IU or even less. There are a number of dealers for GenSci and they do not have exclusive rights to its sale. Shop around and do your homework.
Here is an excellent source for reputable HGH information by Dr. Cranton " http://drcranton.com/hrt/HGH_if_you_plan_to_take_it.htm" Another is "www.cenegenics.com." Cenegenics is based in Nevada, Las Vegas I believe. Their website is an excellent source for bona fide clinical studies and information.
Obviously I am a bit of a zealot on the subject. I hate lies and liars and unfortunately the internet is full of them: shysters and hucksters shamelessly selling their snake skin oil products so watch out. If the products they are selling have not been studied and tested by bona fide US well known Universities, Clinics and/or University teaching and research hospitals whose work has been reviewed by other leading medical branches and whose results have been published in legitimate Medical Journals, then chances are their information and products are pure GARBAGE.
If you can afford it, have your HGH production levels tested. You cannot measure HGH directlly in the bloodstream in blood serum levels, it is metabolized too quickly. But one of its metabolites, IGF-1 can be measured (if I have remembered this correctly). Anyway, if the lab does that type of work, they will know how to measure it.
My guess is that for a man your age, you would probably be best served by as much as 3 IU's a day or even more. Again, check the Eli Lilly dosing formula and then have a lab check your blood levels for HGH metabolites.
In the meantime, make sure you start doing your research on thyroid levels, melatonin (cheap), DHEA (cheap). There are more to check but if you go to an anti aging site like an A4 site (American Assoc of Anti Aging Practitioners) or something like that and start poking around you will find the information you need. Cenegenics will tell you as well.
Really shop around on the web until you find some really cheap prices on Jintropin. Their reps now have promotions saying that if your HGH is seized in customs, if you show them the letter saying so, they will replace your order. Sometimes they want an insurance fee for doing so, check around for the best deal.
By the way, it is 100% legal to import HGH but the FDA under pressure from the HUGE multi national pharmaceutical companies, cracked down on all sorts of imports using all sorts of bogus reasons. Since HGH is NOT a controlled substance like narcotics or steroids, if they seize it they will simply send you a letter telling you the did so - no big deal legally, but you suffer the loss of your product if the sender will not resend it.
I hope this helps.
Good luck and good health.
what about this site? http://www.clubhgh.com/products.html any feel for this one, one way or the other? and would 1/2iu hgh injectable per day make a difference for me?
Hello Saint:
I have spoken with the owners of clubhgh.com in the past when I was still a wholesaler. They seem to be very legitimate. Basically what they are doing is buying generic HGH from GenSci, the makers of Jintropin, or some other pharmaceutical manufacturer in China and putting their own label on it. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's called free enterprise and more power to them.
The only thing you want to make sure of is that it has been assayed by an independent lab for both purity and potency. Some manufacturers out of China have had problems with red patches, swelling, itching and pain at the injection site. This is usually an indication of contamination from E.coli, the bacteria from which the product is produced using recombinant DNA technology.
Making the HGH in a vat of E.coli is now the easy part, however "After the E. coli has grown and multiplied sufficiently, a purification process is done to separate out the growth hormone. This is currently the most difficult and sophisticated portion of the manufacturing process."
The HGH is a very fragile protein molecule. It cannot be damaged in the separation process or it will not work. "Hormones work by precisely fitting into receptors on the surface of cells and cell membranes in the body. The process is very similar to fitting a key into a lock. All of the little twists, turns, and grooves on a key must be exactly right or the key will not open the lock. In the same way, the exact three-dimensional configuration of growth hormone must precisely fit into cell receptors or there will be no growth hormone activity. If purification and packaging of HGH is properly done, the molecule retains its shape and will do its job." If it isn't, you just spent your money for nothing. Also, during the purification process is the E.coli is not properly and completely separated from the HGH you will have contamination and when you inject it you will have welts or other reactions at the injection site.
To get an idea for the correct dosage, go to www.humatrope.com. I haven't been there in awhile but if you look around you will find a formula based on your weight. At your age, I would suggest (and I am NOT a doctor) 1 IU per day at a MINIMUM. But anything you take above what your body is producing now will be beneficial. Its like having a vitamin deficiency. Anything you take towards supplementing that deficiency is better than nothing.
The testosterone supplements are excellent. You said you were under a doctors supervision. That is perfect. In my humble opinion, the two most important hormones men should be supplementing as they age are Human Growth Hormone (Somatotropin) and Testosterone. The male body simply MUST have it to function properly. The administration of each tends to boost the level of the other but neither is sufficient on its own.
If you do your shopping, there are sites that will sell HGH for much less than $8 per IU. Jintropin by GenSci seems to be the most reputable one that I know of out of China these days, though there are bunches of up and comers lately. Their quality and reputations have yet to be established. You should be able to get Jintropin for as little as $4 per IU or even less. There are a number of dealers for GenSci and they do not have exclusive rights to its sale. Shop around and do your homework.
Here is an excellent source for reputable HGH information by Dr. Cranton " http://drcranton.com/hrt/HGH_if_you_plan_to_take_it.htm" Another is "www.cenegenics.com." Cenegenics is based in Nevada, Las Vegas I believe. Their website is an excellent source for bona fide clinical studies and information.
Obviously I am a bit of a zealot on the subject. I hate lies and liars and unfortunately the internet is full of them: shysters and hucksters shamelessly selling their snake skin oil products so watch out. If the products they are selling have not been studied and tested by bona fide US well known Universities, Clinics and/or University teaching and research hospitals whose work has been reviewed by other leading medical branches and whose results have been published in legitimate Medical Journals, then chances are their information and products are pure GARBAGE.
If you can afford it, have your HGH production levels tested. You cannot measure HGH directlly in the bloodstream in blood serum levels, it is metabolized too quickly. But one of its metabolites, IGF-1 can be measured (if I have remembered this correctly). Anyway, if the lab does that type of work, they will know how to measure it.
My guess is that for a man your age, you would probably be best served by as much as 3 IU's a day or even more. Again, check the Eli Lilly dosing formula and then have a lab check your blood levels for HGH metabolites.
In the meantime, make sure you start doing your research on thyroid levels, melatonin (cheap), DHEA (cheap). There are more to check but if you go to an anti aging site like an A4 site (American Assoc of Anti Aging Practitioners) or something like that and start poking around you will find the information you need. Cenegenics will tell you as well.
Really shop around on the web until you find some really cheap prices on Jintropin. Their reps now have promotions saying that if your HGH is seized in customs, if you show them the letter saying so, they will replace your order. Sometimes they want an insurance fee for doing so, check around for the best deal.
By the way, it is 100% legal to import HGH but the FDA under pressure from the HUGE multi national pharmaceutical companies, cracked down on all sorts of imports using all sorts of bogus reasons. Since HGH is NOT a controlled substance like narcotics or steroids, if they seize it they will simply send you a letter telling you the did so - no big deal legally, but you suffer the loss of your product if the sender will not resend it.
I hope this helps.
Good luck and good health.
InfoSeekerTwo
New member
PS I have seen Jintropin on the web for as little as $2.50 per IU. You may have to buy in a little larger quantity but to get real, high quality HGH for that price is the bargain of the century.
saint john
New member
infoseeker, thanks for your well thought out response. very informative.
are you able to list the sites that have the low cost jintropin that you or bionic mentioned? if it's against the forum rules just e-mail me. i have a scrip for hgh, but can't afford the prices i'm seeing on the net.
thanks
edit - READ THE STICKIES AT THE TOP OF THE BOARD. You're darn tootin' it's against the forum rules to ASK FOR OR TO POST sources.
are you able to list the sites that have the low cost jintropin that you or bionic mentioned? if it's against the forum rules just e-mail me. i have a scrip for hgh, but can't afford the prices i'm seeing on the net.
thanks
edit - READ THE STICKIES AT THE TOP OF THE BOARD. You're darn tootin' it's against the forum rules to ASK FOR OR TO POST sources.
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