Nandrolone - seems like a problemactic drug to me

[VictorBR]

I was thinking in using some NPP in the first 6 weeks of my upcoming cycle ..

But after my man Ulter schooled me about it ...I think I will pass ...I am still deciding ...

First I thought that nandrolone would convert to estrogen and it dosen't , that was really big news to me , so ok , that is good news anyway .

I knew it would raise prolactin levels and you need to use dostinex with it to keep everything in check ( no libido loss , no gyno etc.. ) , now what I didn't know is that it ALSO raises progesterone levels and there is nothing we can do about it besides using some winstroll to help it lower it .

Even then, I have heard that it is not a FACT that winny will lower progesterone levels , it might be just speculation . Anyway , the side effect associated with high progesteron levels are not cool : gyno , loss of libido , IM fat and water retention .

So , with deca we need :

- Dostinex to help keep prolactin levels in check
- Winny to help keep progesterone levels in check
- Test to keep the mojo working .

Just seems like a lot of trouble to me .

Victor

 

[BionicBC]

I was thinking in using some NPP in the first 6 weeks of my upcoming cycle ..

But after my man Ulter schooled me about it ...I think I will pass ...I am still deciding ...

First I thought that nandrolone would convert to estrogen and it dosen't , that was really big news to me , so ok , that is good news anyway .

I knew it would raise prolactin levels and you need to use dostinex with it to keep everything in check ( no libido loss , no gyno etc.. ) , now what I didn't know is that it ALSO raises progesterone levels and there is nothing we can do about it besides using some winstroll to help it lower it .

Even then, I have heard that it is not a FACT that winny will lower progesterone levels , it might be just speculation . Anyway , the side effect associated with high progesteron levels are not cool : gyno , loss of libido , IM fat and water retention .

So , with deca we need :

- Dostinex to help keep prolactin levels in check
- Winny to help keep progesterone levels in check
- Test to keep the mojo working .

Just seems like a lot of trouble to me .

Victor

Run either your deca or NPP at a low enough dosage to where most of those sides wont come into play. Run Deca, for example, at 300mg/week. there should be no progesterone sides from that dose, but its high enough to get the benefits.
Bionic

 

[VictorBR]

good point bro .

Ulter even told me that most men are much more tolerable to progesterone than estrogen so progesterone sides are more likely to not happen in low doses ...but EVEN so ..... it CAN happen ....

Like I told ulter , Nandrolone has no unique properties like TREN to catch my attention and make me wanna try it so bad ....


Victor

 

[needsize]

funny, only thing I've ever run with deca was test and other steroids, never winny or anything to control protactin or progesterone, and I've never had a problem

 

[VictorBR]

funny, only thing I've ever run with deca was test and other steroids, never winny or anything to control protactin or progesterone, and I've never had a problem

>> Well it happens , but it could also have gone the other way , all the sides instead of none ... we all know different people will respond in different ways , the fact is : We never know untill we try ....

But I just don't think that for me , it is worth the risk ... Like I said, I just don't see any unique properties on deca to catch my attention like I see with tren ..

With tren , I will risk it , because it should be the shit , maybe I will get all the sides , maybe not , but I will take my chances ...

But with deca , I don't think it is worth for me ... maybe I will change my mind , we never know ...


Victor

 

[BionicBC]

>> Well it happens , but it could also have gone the other way , all the sides instead of none ... we all know different people will respond in different ways , the fact is : We never know untill we try ....

But I just don't think that for me , it is worth the risk ... Like I said, I just don't see any unique properties on deca to catch my attention like I see with tren ..

With tren , I will risk it , because it should be the shit , maybe I will get all the sides , maybe not , but I will take my chances ...

But with deca , I don't think it is worth for me ... maybe I will change my mind , we never know ...


Victor

The greatest thing for me about Deca is the joint relief, thats why deca+winny is so good, cuz winny causes mad joint pain, deca relieves that.
Deca can have progesterone sides associated with it, winny relieves that. Its a match made in heaven. im running 300mg deca a week, 50mg winny a day, and 750mg test enan a week right now-lovin it.
Bionic

 

[GreekGod]

I'm on test/deca/dbol right now and I don't take ANY ancillaries. No cabergoline, bromocriptine, nolva, proviron, clomid, arimidex, nothing at all. Believe it or not, I haven't got any side effects, my dick is functioning perfectly like always, my libido is up, my nipples are ok, my skin is ok, water retention is very mild. I could use all those drugs if I wanted to - the pharmacy is just a 3 minute walk from my house and in my country you don't need a prescription - but I just don't need them.

My point is 1. different people react very differently to any drug and 2. just because some people go to the boards and say shit about Deca doesn't mean you have to believe everything they say and reproduce it in your own threads without having any personal experience. I would suggest that you give nandrolone a try, preferably as npp, and see what it can do for you. In my opinion, it's a great drug.

 

[bbkingpinn]

Then don't use it. It sounds more like you're trying to dissuade others from using it, as you yourself seem convinced of the reasons for not using it. I think people are just trying to compete with Mavy's and BigAndy69's contentions regarding the benefits of NPP and Syrus Labs NPP. A lot of politics on this board, that's for sure.

 

[Anthony Starks]

It IS a problematic drug for many people. Besides all the sides you listed, IMO the worst side of deca is the HTPA shutdown that comes along with it that tends to be more severe and last longer than with test.

 

[bbkingpinn]

It IS a problematic drug for many people. Besides all the sides you listed, IMO the worst side of deca is the HTPA shutdown that comes along with it that tends to be more severe and last longer than with test.

He's talking about npp not deca and npp does not have the same degree of HPTA shutdown because it has a 5 day half life as opposed to a 14 day half life and therefore post cycle recovery isn't delayed with npp as with nd (nandrolone decanoate).

 

[VictorBR]

I'm on test/deca/dbol right now and I don't take ANY ancillaries. No cabergoline, bromocriptine, nolva, proviron, clomid, arimidex, nothing at all. Believe it or not, I haven't got any side effects, my dick is functioning perfectly like always, my libido is up, my nipples are ok, my skin is ok, water retention is very mild. I could use all those drugs if I wanted to - the pharmacy is just a 3 minute walk from my house and in my country you don't need a prescription - but I just don't need them.

My point is 1. different people react very differently to any drug and 2. just because some people go to the boards and say shit about Deca doesn't mean you have to believe everything they say and reproduce it in your own threads without having any personal experience. I would suggest that you give nandrolone a try, preferably as npp, and see what it can do for you. In my opinion, it's a great drug.

>>> I am not saying NPP is shitty or anything even close to that , it seems like it can give you some VERY nice gains , BUT it just SEEMS like it is too problematic , that is my opinion , you don't need to agree . Tren is also a problematic DRUG IMO , But the benefits should be amazing ... and I am not reproducing what other people say . I can't say if nandrolone is good or bad because I haver never tried it . All I can say is that it SEEMS like , it LOOKS like a problemactic drug . Maybe for me it will be great , or terrible , but I will still say it is a problemactic drug EVEN if I don't get ANY sides from it .

Got it ?


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

Then don't use it. It sounds more like you're trying to dissuade others from using it, as you yourself seem convinced of the reasons for not using it. I think people are just trying to compete with Mavy's and BigAndy69's contentions regarding the benefits of NPP and Syrus Labs NPP. A lot of politics on this board, that's for sure.

>> What ?!?!? I don't get where you come with this idea . Mayv is my friend and I am not bashing nandrolone , and EVEN if I WAS , what does THAT have to do with Mavy ?!?!

like I said , it just seems a problemactic drug like tren .

and what about Syrus ? Are you nutz ? syrus is not the only one making NPP , BD and others are also making it in case you didn't know . So , now I am trying to bash the labs also ?!?!? LOL ... ok ......

IN fact YEAH , I am trying to bash Syrus and BD even knowing that on my next cycle I will use ONLY BD and SYRUS GEAR

LOL

Victor

 

[VictorBR]

He's talking about npp not deca and npp does not have the same degree of HPTA shutdown because it has a 5 day half life as opposed to a 14 day half life and therefore post cycle recovery isn't delayed with npp as with nd (nandrolone decanoate).

>> I am not sure about this one bro , I think that Bigandy69 said that NPP will shut you down HARD . Just like DECA , it is the same susbstance so I don't see why it would be any diferent .

If you take 500 mg/ week test prop and 500 mg/ week test cyp , the shut down will be the same imo .


Victor

 

[Anthony Starks]

>> I am not sure about this one bro , I think that Bigandy69 said that NPP will shut you down HARD . Just like DECA , it is the same susbstance so I don't see why it would be any diferent .

If you take 500 mg/ week test prop and 500 mg/ week test cyp , the shut down will be the same imo .


Victor

Yup, same drug, just with different halflives. It amazes me how dumb some people can be, tell them something is the new wonder steriod and they will repeat whatever they hear. Its still going to shut you down hard and long.

 

[VictorBR]

Yup, same drug, just with different halflives. It amazes me how dumb some people can be, tell them something is the new wonder steriod and they will repeat whatever they hear. Its still going to shut you down hard and long.

>> Yes , exactly same drug and people think that the shutdown will be different . LOL .


Victor

 

[manny78]

I dont know anybody who got some kind of gyno from deca at a REASONABLE dosage. Unless you're very prone, it shouldn't be such a big issue. About 3-4 years ago, no one cared about prolactin and progesterone, only those with 800mg/week were looking for a solution and the only one available was RU-486....

 

[Lowest]

Actually, Victor, NPP won't shut you down as hard as deca. Deca has a much longer half-life, therefor it will build up to much higher levels in your blood. Higher blood levels means more shutdown. Not saying the difference is huge, but it is noticeable. Shorter halflife means lower blood levels and less prolactin and progesterone also, which both help recovery time. That being said, I still prefer eq to any form of deca I've tried so far.

 

[Mavy]

Eh Victor Bro, seems like your posts always stir up the hornetts nest somehow, lol.

Think of it this way, the only time you will hear of people having problems with nandrolone are when people dont run it correctly and increase their chance to run into problems. I garantee .. that 99% of people who have had problems either ran it to high of a dosage, or to long, without HCG incorporated, and without cabaser. Running it as NPP is a much safer choice. I have YET to here of anyone who has ran into problems with NPP. If you know what you are doing, NPP is a friendly drug, just make sure that you are covering your bases. Tren seems to me to have much worse sides to deal with, especially on the hairloss side of things, which with tren is VERY hard to combat. It carries some serious problems it can present as well, but you are right, the gains will be great with it as well. I can;t speak from experience on that one. But.. I am a fairly conservative user, and I wont use tren, where I will use NPP, especially after my last run with it.

I was always under the impression that nandrolone could convert to estrogen, but it was at a VERY rare rate, guess I was wrong. Like manny says, the only people that will report having problems with Deca, did not run it correctly (too long, to high, no HCG or Cabaser). I have yet to here ANYONE say that they have had a problem with Deca while following those guidelines. And i have NEVER heard of 1 person to have a problem with NPP yet. Think of if I ran 1 g of test, with no AIs or SERMs and no proper PCT, I would run a greater risk of problems as well. There are ancillaries for nandrolones and steps you would take to run it more safely that you would take the same way you would with test for example. You always have to be careful. I will agree, there are probably a handful of people who are prone to progesterone/prolactin related sides, but they are few and far between. There are waaay more gyno related cases caused from test.

If you want to give it a shot, i would try a conservative dose of NPP, like 150mg/eod. See what is does for you, if you feel uncomfortable you can stop. Deca is a little harder. Thing of NPP to Deca, as Prop is to Cyp. EXACT same drug, different esters. However the estes can make a huge difference. The decanoate ester is one of the longest esters a bodybuider can take. This can present a cummulative effect over time that can cause problems when ran for an extended period of time. I would opt for NPP over tren any day as far as safety goes, although i am sure that tren would give some very nice gains as well.

bbkingpin; that has to be the most rediculous thing i have heard. Why the hell would I bash Syrus, i am planning on running them in my next cycle. Why dont you stop talking out your ass, why would you say something like that? My experience with NPP was with the dubols by BM Pharm, and I liked them a lot. I use all kinds of gear, mostly human grade whenever I get the chance. Next time around will be Syrus and Univex, as well as some human grade stuff so stop trying to start shit by bringing up your drama queen bullshit. I think that its safe to say which prods speak for themselves, there is lots of feedback out from lots of users, so do your own homework and make your own decisions which is exactly what i have done. If you wanna start gossiping leave it off this thread. Victor is looking for some responses, he didnt ask for any info on me, so I dont know why you want to drag me into something like this. I am not going to waste any breathe on you bro.

Victor, getting back to the topic, if you think that NPP seems problematic, how do you not see tren looking problematic?

I will be on msn later on bro, I will drop you a line. Off to the gym right now, wishing I was on NPP, lol.

Mavy

 

[Anthony Starks]

I garantee .. that 99% of people who have had problems either ran it to high of a dosage, or to long, without HCG incorporated, and without cabaser.

Thats a ridiculous statement, but I guess you have to make it, huh?

 

[Ulter]

I dont know anybody who got some kind of gyno from deca at a REASONABLE dosage. Unless you're very prone, it shouldn't be such a big issue. About 3-4 years ago, no one cared about prolactin and progesterone, only those with 800mg/week were looking for a solution and the only one available was RU-486....

Ranger had to have gyno cut out from using Deca 5 years ago. So now you know someone.

 

[bbkingpinn]

MAVY:
I didn't say that you bashed Syrus. I thought the guys boosting NPP were also trying to boost Syrus Labs. I thought NPP was great when I tried BM of India brand, and now I think Syrus Labs has a great brand of NPP.
VICTOR:
I just get suspicious when people try to knock something for no apparent reason. The point of NPP is that if it is out of your system post cycle a lot faster than deca, your recovery will be that much quicker.

 

[psychedout]

Thats a ridiculous statement, but I guess you have to make it, huh?

Its not rediculous at all.

If you use all those things and have a problem with deca, you have something seriously wrong with you.

 

[Anthony Starks]

VICTOR:
I just get suspicious when people try to knock something for no apparent reasonQUOTE]

What?!? What about people all pushing something all of a sudden that has been around for decades?

 

[Mavy]

Its not rediculous at all.

If you use all those things and have a problem with deca, you have something seriously wrong with you.

Thanks for understanding this bro. Not to mention the fact that most people who claim to have a problem with nandrolone, ARE infact stacking it. So pin pointing it on Deca isnt a reliable answer.

 

[bbkingpinn]

VICTOR:
I just get suspicious when people try to knock something for no apparent reasonQUOTE]

What?!? What about people all pushing something all of a sudden that has been around for decades?

Give me an example.

Sometimes people have a hidden agenda. Oftentimes, people just like to debate.

 

[Anthony Starks]

Give me an example.

Wow, you don't have to look too far between the lines to see a lot of examples. For example, NPP has been out for decades and no one has made much of a deal about it, all it is is deca with a shorter halflife. A couple years ago everyone bashed deca too because of its hard to recover from HTPA shutdown. Now, since people have been able to in essence corner the market on this drug, its all you hear about on EF. You think they are trying to educate you or make a quick buck at your expense? I can give you other examples (Primo, Cabaser, ALA), but you should be able to find plenty if you stop blindly beleveing everthing the "vets" on here tell you.

 

[bbkingpinn]

Wow, you don't have to look too far between the lines to see a lot of examples. For example, NPP has been out for decades and no one has made much of a deal about it, all it is is deca with a shorter halflife. A couple years ago everyone bashed deca too because of its hard to recover from HTPA shutdown. Now, since people have been able to in essence corner the market on this drug, its all you hear about on EF. You think they are trying to educate you or make a quick buck at your expense? I can give you other examples (Primo, Cabaser, ALA), but you should be able to find plenty if you stop blindly beleveing everthing the "vets" on here tell you.

Good point. But NPP wasn't that big at all when I tried it -- 2 years ago. I intentionally kept shut about it because I thought it was just an obscure product that showed up on my guy's list and I thought it made sense to kick start a deca cycle. However it was never really that popular before because deca was more prevalent. You're right about guys pushing primo and human grade and buy-dostinex.com. But I can't wait to try cabaser!

 

[Mavy]

Dood what the hell are you talking about? Are you directing this to me? I have always liked deca, I have not always known about NPP. Now that I know about it, it gives me no reason why i would want to use Deca over it. So I like NPP, you like primo, she likes winny, they like test, he likes tren. Whats the fuckin difference, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. There are lots of manufacturers of these products dipshit. So if i love tren, and for example, say Joe Blows lab is selling lots of tren right now, does this mean that I am trying to bump his prods for being a fan of tren? Along with any other fans of tren? Grow the fuck up and stop being such an idiot. I like NPP no matter who makes it as long as it is what it says it is. I have only stated that I have used the dubols, if thats so wrong, then fuck off. You guys are the ones who are twisting this into some kind of promo conspiracy or something!!!

This thread had nothing to with this. So save your freakin drama queen, conspiracy theory, cry-baby horseshit. Take it somewhere else, and why dont you post something that will contribute to this thread? Instead of trying to start shit? Sorry victor to rain on your thread, just pisses me off. Carry on I guess...

 

[Anthony Starks]

But I can't wait to try cabaser!

You should take a minute and think about why you are so excited to try it.

 

[Mavy]

I think that you guys are taking this way out of context. If someone does well with a certain lab, or certain human grade product, and gives feedback on it, then I guess they are pushing it right??? mmk. I know that this definately goes on, but someone giving feedback on prods they use dosent neccessarily mean this. Maybe i should'nt be taking this as such a personal attack, but I just had an argument with someone last night on another board who accused me of "pushing" dpharm products because I said that i saw some very pleasing lab tests on them. I HAVE NEVER EVEN USED DPHARM! Christ they dont even ship to Canada where I live. Rediculous! and Pisses me off! If I ever give any feedback again on anything, it will be ..

I did good with a "certain" steroid, from a "certain manufacturer".

Leave it at that. It would definatley save a lot of childish drama that goes on.

 

[Mavy]

You should take a minute and think about why you are so excited to try it.

you are a full blown idiot bro. So what are you saying? Dont try Cabaser. You dont think it works? Have you ever tried it? Have you ever read anything on it? Do you think that its all propaganda? Do you think the hundreds of people using it have all been persuaded, and its only working because its all in there head? lmfao!

Im sure most people have had enough of hearing this. Start another thread if you want to cry about why people are pushing drugs down your throaght! lol.

 

[Anthony Starks]

I know that this definately goes on

Don't you think it is a HUGE problem then?!? People pushing gear that can potentially hurt a user just to make a dollar? I guess I'm the drama queen because I'm trying to look out for the newbie that doesn't know better, but it really should bother all of you. At the very least it taints the information that we all rely on from this board for our health and safety.

 

[Mavy]

Well the way I see it taint the board is when people like you take everyones post as some type of advertisement like this, then you will NEVER really know what is legit feedback, and what is not.

There are times where i have seen it be obvious by some people, and not so obvious by others. I think i can pick it up pretty easy, but your right, maybe the newbies cant. What it comes down to is that you have to do your own research, and you cant just rely on what a few peeps have to say about something. If you believe everything anyones says, then ya .. you are setting yourself up for being played sometime or another. The way i see it, is that you should take EVERYTHING with a grain of salt. There are a few good close bros on this site and others that I know quite well, and I wouldnt question any of their feedback, but that is from trust built over time. There are others, that .. their advice gets taken with a grain of salt, or outright ignored. Like I said this kind of thing gets easier to see the longer you have been around. Maybe not so easy to the newbie eye. So ya, maybe this should be added to quad's newbie sticky, do YOUR OWN research, dont let someone else do it all for you. But at the same time, I would also watch who I accuse about something like that, as I have had it happen a few times, when that wasnt the case at all, and it sucks having accusations like that.

 

[Anthony Starks]

But at the same time, I would also watch who I accuse about something like that, as I have had it happen a few times, when that wasnt the case at all, and it sucks having accusations like that.

I never accused you of anything. I seem to recall you being the one calling me a fucking idiot and flaming me

And, to answer your question about cabaser, yeah I think it is way overhyped. I think newbies see the vets posting how great it is and think that they will gain respect and credibility by doing the same.

 

[Mavy]

well, I think that you are wrong on the Cabaser. I am speaking from experience using it, and I can tell you that what it did for my mojo was night and day. So take it how you want it, as a plug or not. Most of us are talking about it as being a safety measure when used with Nandrolones, much like you would use Aromasin with test for example. Do you think that Aromasin is waay over hyped? The difference in the two is you actually feel Cabaser. I know Aromasin is an awesome supp, but when I take it, I dont feel like .. "Damn ... do my lipid levels ever feel great today", but I know it is not destroying them like other AIs would. Same thing is with Cabaser, I know it is working on prolactin, but i can actually feel it too. Its something that you know works if you have ever used it. Mojo is through the roof, and orgasm intensity is absolutely insane. I am sure that its not just me who feels this, and i am sure if you read many other threads you will find the same thing as long as EVERYONE that reports this is not selling Cabaser!

I also apologise for calling you a fuckin idiot, I am usually bigger than that. I just came onto this thread to see what my bro Victor had to say, and contribute to his post .. then I see my name mentioned on someones post, and how I am bashing or pushing or whatever, a certain lab, then how all posts following it are about people pushing things and ripping off newbies etc. Ya, I may have got a little pissed when I found people talking about me, but thats a pretty common reaction.

Mavy

 

[Mavy]

And really bro, when you think of it, this could work both ways too. Some newbie reading this could be thinking to themselves ..

"Gee, I was going to run Cabaser with my Deca, but maybe it is over-hyped, maybe I don't need this stuff, maybe its all being pushed by people who sell it and i dont really need it anyways".

Then what happens is you have a newbie go and use Deca without using the Cabaser, when really they needed it, and they have a bad experience from Deca, (gyno, deca-dick, whatever), when really the Cabaser could have prevented this. Do you not think that its a safer choice to run it, than to NOT run it?

One once of prevention is better than 1 pound of cure.

 

[Anthony Starks]

well, I think that you are wrong on the Cabaser. I am speaking from experience using it, and I can tell you that what it did for my mojo was night and day. So take it how you want it, as a plug or not. Most of us are talking about it as being a safety measure when used with Nandrolones, much like you would use Aromasin with test for example. Do you think that Aromasin is waay over hyped? The difference in the two is you actually feel Cabaser. I know Aromasin is an awesome supp, but when I take it, I dont feel like .. "Damn ... do my lipid levels ever feel great today", but I know it is not destroying them like other AIs would. Same thing is with Cabaser, I know it is working on prolactin, but i can actually feel it too. Its something that you know works if you have ever used it. Mojo is through the roof, and orgasm intensity is absolutely insane. I am sure that its not just me who feels this, and i am sure if you read many other threads you will find the same thing as long as EVERYONE that reports this is not selling Cabaser!

I also apologise for calling you a fuckin idiot, I am usually bigger than that. I just came onto this thread to see what my bro Victor had to say, and contribute to his post .. then I see my name mentioned on someones post, and how I am bashing or pushing or whatever, a certain lab, then how all posts following it are about people pushing things and ripping off newbies etc. Ya, I may have got a little pissed when I found people talking about me, but thats a pretty common reaction.

Mavy

Well, I have no problem with you, but I do think you need to open your eyes a little more. But hell, I just took my test shot 5 minutes ago so I'm in a good mood, so I'll send some Karma your way.

 

[manny78]

Ranger had to have gyno cut out from using Deca 5 years ago. So now you know someone.

Ranger is not human

 

[Mavy]

Well, I have no problem with you, but I do think you need to open your eyes a little more. But hell, I just took my test shot 5 minutes ago so I'm in a good mood, so I'll send some Karma your way.

OK bro .. I will "open my eyes a little more". Your right. Thanks for looking out for me.

I have only been on this board for 5 years, so ya, I probably am getting fooled left right and centre. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I will be keeping my eyes wide open from now on.

Thanks again,

 

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mavy 1, anthony starks 0.

 

[Anthony Starks]

mavy 1, anthony starks 0.

How can I agrue with that? Nice post on the primo thread btw, that AIDS comment had be laughing my ass off.

 

[bbkingpinn]

bbkingpin; that has to be the most rediculous thing i have heard. Why the hell would I bash Syrus, i am planning on running them in my next cycle. Why dont you stop talking out your ass, why would you say something like that? My experience with NPP was with the dubols by BM Pharm, and I liked them a lot. I use all kinds of gear, mostly human grade whenever I get the chance. Next time around will be Syrus and Univex, as well as some human grade stuff so stop trying to start shit by bringing up your drama queen bullshit. I think that its safe to say which prods speak for themselves, there is lots of feedback out from lots of users, so do your own homework and make your own decisions which is exactly what i have done. If you wanna start gossiping leave it off this thread. Victor is looking for some responses, he didnt ask for any info on me, so I dont know why you want to drag me into something like this. I am not going to waste any breathe on you bro.

Victor, getting back to the topic, if you think that NPP seems problematic, how do you not see tren looking problematic?

I will be on msn later on bro, I will drop you a line. Off to the gym right now, wishing I was on NPP, lol.

Mavy

Yo, I was suspicious of Victor trying to bash NPP and trying to negate some of the recent threads by you and Big Andy regarding NPP. I'm on Syrus NPP and it is awesome. I thought Victor starting a thread about why he wont use NPP was odd. If Victor has made up his mind not to use something, why start a thread? Not to escalate this thing, but only to make a point, it's obvious you love to write, but do you take the same time to read?

 

[Mavy]

Yo, I was suspicious of Victor trying to bash NPP and trying to negate some of the recent threads by you and Big Andy regarding NPP. I'm on Syrus NPP and it is awesome. I thought Victor starting a thread about why he wont use NPP was odd. If Victor has made up his mind not to use something, why start a thread? Not to escalate this thing, but only to make a point, it's obvious you love to write, but do you take the same time to read?

I think that a few of you peeps are just bringing things out of proportion here. You see ... I didnt see Victor trying to bash NPP AT ALL. Infact I saw him lining up a thread for a decent discussion. He has some valid points and others have some valid points against him. I think it could have made for a great thread .. before all the nonesense started. I think that some of you have gotten a little to paranoid. Like I mentioned earlier, take everything you here with a grain of salt, and do you own research, but dont suspect every thread to be some kind of a product push or bash. This was a very innocent thread that took a turn in the wrong direction.

 

[geoboy]

If you want to give it a shot, i would try a conservative dose of NPP, like 150mg/eod.
Mavy

WHOA!!!! 150 eod is conservative? thats like 500 mg weekly. I tried a short experiment with NPP at 300 mg weekly for 3 weeks and was getting great results, but also started to see some progesterone/prolactin sides starting to reart their ugly little head. no gyno, but face started to get mooney, and libido & performance in the toilet.

great stuff results wise tho.

 

[Mavy]

lol .. Oops I meant e3d. sorry dood. As in 50mg/day.

 

[bbkingpinn]

WHOA!!!! 150 eod is conservative? thats like 500 mg weekly. I tried a short experiment with NPP at 300 mg weekly for 3 weeks and was getting great results, but also started to see some progesterone/prolactin sides starting to reart their ugly little head. no gyno, but face started to get mooney, and libido & performance in the toilet.

great stuff results wise tho.

I'm on 200 e3d and I feel like a bloated bag of bloat (and I've lost my wit and humor). But seriously, I didn't think nandrolone would cause this, could it be 5 i.u./day of Jintropin or a combination? Also, 50mg prop e3d for libido maintenance.

 

[Mavy]

bbking, it could be from the NPP or prop, or a combination of both of them. I get zero bloat from NPP, but I dont even get blaot from dbol (but i only run dbol at 25mg). Keeping my diet as clean as possible and sodium intake low seems to work wonders for me. The only thing that i have bloated a good bit from was Karachis. Bloat and acne are 2 sides that I dont have to worry about as much as others do. Some people swell up. Hairloss and gyno are my two worries.

 

[BigAndy69]

I think the problem is too many people are looking for side effect free gear. It's never going to happen.

Every steroid has side effects and the only thing you can do is pick a steroid which works the best for you with the least amount of sides (FOR YOU). NPP is my fav steroid. Testosterone is one of the worst roids for me. I still use it in low doses since it can counter the libido effects of high doses of NPP (700-1050mg/week)

And this idea that NPP is being pushed for financial reasons is laughable. Nobody owns npp...every UG lab is producing it the same way they produce Test, Tren...etc. I think some are becoming way too paranoid.

Many people have never given nandrolone a try, and most who give NPP a try for the first time are absolutely blown away, just do a search on elite and you will see what I'm talking about.. A year and a half ago, I was one of the few people talking about it, but now it's made it's way into a lot of people's cycles...for a very good reason...it's one of the best drugs we have available to us but it has it's downfalls like any other steroid.

Many confuse feeling good with building LBM...they DON'T go hand in hand. Sure many people feel great on testosterone, but some need to ask themselves if test is best in terms of LBM gains vs side effects.

 

[Burning_Inside]

a really good close personal friend of mine..i mean real real close...is in week 5 of the following stack:
30 mgs dbol daily (final week)
200 mgs BM labs NPP e3d
250 mgs test enanthate mondays and thursdays.

And he is a walking hardon. Penis always ready to rock. Cant stop thinking about sex.

 

[LoneTree]

I did my first cycle with deca 200mg for 13 weeks.
No side effects other than hair loss. Next time will use everything for hair loss.
You have to use something like HCG to keep you internal test up (deca is low androgen).
Loved it.

 

[Burning_Inside]

a really good close personal friend of mine..i mean real real close...is in week 5 of the following stack:
30 mgs dbol daily (final week)
200 mgs BM labs NPP e3d
250 mgs test enanthate mondays and thursdays.

And he is a walking hardon. Penis always ready to rock. Cant stop thinking about sex.