My upcoming Sustanon Cycle

[stucazz]

Hello all.

I'm new to this forum and cycling, please give advice.

Ok here are my stats:

Age: 42
Weight: 185 lbs
Height: 5' 9"

I will be starting a first cycle of Sustanon 250 in about 2 weeks. I'm planning to take 1ml or 250mgs twice a week (Mon and Thur) for 10 weeks. This will be a Sustanon only cycle since it is my first experience to gear. I was planning to use a 2cc syringe with a 23 guage 1" tip for quad injection. I'd like some expert advice on injecting into the quad (since i've never done it), also i have some Clomid, so should i take some before i start the cycle? How much and for how long should i take the Clomid? Also (if needed) how much Clomid and for how long AFTER the cycle?
Thanks bros.

 

[Anthony Starks]

Hello all.

I'm new to this forum and cycling, please give advice.

Ok here are my stats:

Age: 42
Weight: 185 lbs
Height: 5' 9"

I will be starting a first cycle of Sustanon 250 in about 2 weeks. I'm planning to take 1ml or 250mgs twice a week (Mon and Thur) for 10 weeks. This will be a Sustanon only cycle since it is my first experience to gear. I was planning to use a 2cc syringe with a 23 guage 1" tip for quad injection. I'd like some expert advice on injecting into the quad (since i've never done it), also i have some Clomid, so should i take some before i start the cycle? How much and for how long should i take the Clomid? Also (if needed) how much Clomid and for how long AFTER the cycle?
Thanks bros.

-For quad injects, check spotinjections.com

-For your Clomid question, check the PCT forum

 

[cboogsrun]

type in site injections on google or another search engine for info on quad injections. Most guys on this site will say scratch the clomid and get nolvadex. Personally both are cheap, so I will use both. Some guys say the clomid will fuck with your emotions and make you depressed. I've never experienced this. When I did my sust cycle I took 50mg of clomid e/d 2 weeks after my last shot for 21 days. There are tons of different opinions. Do a pct search. (post cycle therapy) Good luck

 

[stucazz]

Is a 2cc syringe ok for 1cc (250mg) of Sust? Or should i ger a 3cc syringe.
What about injecting in the shoulder?

 

[Anthony Starks]

Is a 2cc syringe ok for 1cc (250mg) of Sust? Or should i ger a 3cc syringe.
What about injecting in the shoulder?

Why would you think you would need a 3cc syringe for 1cc of liquid? I can't figure it out.

You can inject in the shoulder (delt), but I think your best bet is in the glute. Did you check out spotinjections.com? They show all sorts of inject sites there, that way you can learn for yourself and not ask people to spoonfeed you the information.

 

[stucazz]

Why would you think you would need a 3cc syringe for 1cc of liquid? I can't figure it out.

You can inject in the shoulder (delt), but I think your best bet is in the glute. Did you check out spotinjections.com? They show all sorts of inject sites there, that way you can learn for yourself and not ask people to spoonfeed you the information.

I was on a different forum and people there said to use a 3cc regardless... I couldn't figure that out either. And yes I did check out the website, I was just wondering if it were possible to inject the sust in the delt that's all.
Peace bro.

 

[Raffaz]

Is a 2cc syringe ok for 1cc (250mg) of Sust? Or should i ger a 3cc syringe.
What about injecting in the shoulder?

I would just do the sust in the glute mate, the only reason i say this is because i tried quads a few years ago and i had a reaction to the prop, red swollen leg and unable to use full range of motion for about 5 days. I can do glutes with no problems. Shoulders give me loads of pain aswell. If you do shoulders with sust, try and fit it in so it doesnt interfere with ya shoulder workouts, coz the pain is bad there. These are my experiences, other bros here have no problems.

Mick

 

[moralanimal]

Hey Bro,
In general (not that you asked sust. is a bit of a pain. It is a bit difficult to keep a stable blood level with 2x week injections. This has been my experience at least. It really is easier for those with less experience under there belt to stick with a something like enanth. or cyp.
At any rate, delts and glutes are fine.
As far as clomid goes- I usually front load day 1 at 300mg, a week and a half at 150mgs, following week at 100mgs and a final week at 50 mgs. I also run nolva the entire time while on and through pct.
The only other thing I would mention is HCG. Personally, I like to run 500iu 2x a week every other week while on.
Good luck

 

[anthony518]

That 23g is going to be too small, IMO. It will take for ever to pull the fluid and inject it. I would use a 21g it really makes a difference. I would also inject the sust once a week. But it is up to you. I am getting ready to take 250mg to start week 4 right now.

 

[SanFrancisco]

I did this for my first cycle and it was awesome

 

[motorhumper]

Ask questions, thats how you learn. Regarding injections...it has made a huge difference with me if I take the loaded syringe and place it under the faucet for a while and let hot water warm it up, just remember to keep the cap on the pin. Then inject VERY slowly. Then massage the area for a while. I have done this in the past and have zero pain after injecting. Good luck.

 

[moralanimal]

Hair dryer works well also

 

[liquidmuscle]

if this is your first time doing juice you will especially start to use your glute when you experience the pain from sust in your quads

 

[Anthony Starks]

That 23g is going to be too small, IMO. It will take for ever to pull the fluid and inject it. I would use a 21g it really makes a difference. I would also inject the sust once a week. But it is up to you. I am getting ready to take 250mg to start week 4 right now.

1) You need to inject sust AT LEAST twice a week to keep blood levels even, why would you possibly tell him that he should be injecting less?!?

2) Have you ever drawn with a 23g? It takes a grand total of about a minute to draw.

 

[black_stripe1658]

Bro make sure you dont touch the end to any thing it is very easy to dull the sharp end of the needle if you have to go through a rubber nipple and it is the first time you might want to switch the end of the needle for a new sharp one. I would use it anyway but that is just me. Apply constant pressure on the needle like in spot injection site and go slowuntil you are in an inch. Easy

 

[TheRide]

I was on a different forum and people there said to use a 3cc regardless... I couldn't figure that out either. And yes I did check out the website, I was just wondering if it were possible to inject the sust in the delt that's all.
Peace bro.

3cc syringes are common - most people use them or 5cc I would guess. Not that they fill them but they are the easist to come by. Delt injections are fine. I do them often. Here is my injection protocols (my opinions)

Glutes - 22 or 23g 1.5" Up to 3cc's
Delts/Quads - 25G 1" up to 1/5 cc's

As for clomid, start it 14 days after you last sust shot (I beleive 14-17 daus is the 1/2 life for sust. Chime in if I'm wrong)

I run clomid like such:

300mg Day 1-2 (split up into 100mg 3x day)
100mg Day 3-5 (50mg 2x day)
50mg Day 6-21

Since you're not running an overly agressive cycle you might be able to get away w/a light clomid dose such as 300 day 1, 100 day 2, 50 day 3-21 but as where you're in you 40s you may want to give the boys a GOOD jump start. If you can get a hold of nolvadex I would keep some on hand just in case the nips get ithcy.

 

[TheRide]

1) You need to inject sust AT LEAST twice a week to keep blood levels even, why would you possibly tell him that he should be injecting less?!?

2) Have you ever drawn with a 23g? It takes a grand total of about a minute to draw.

Agree 100% w/Starks on this one.

 

[anthony518]

I was just saying I inject once a week. I thought that one of the good things about sust was you could take less injections? Also 23g worries me, I feel like i am going to slip while I am injecting, I had to push forever.

 

[Anthony Starks]

I was just saying I inject once a week. I thought that one of the good things about sust was you could take less injections? Also 23g worries me, I feel like i am going to slip while I am injecting, I had to push forever.

No, the good thing about sust is that it kicks in quickly because of the fast acting esters in it. Unfortunatly, thats also the bad thing about sust as you need to shoot it pretty frequently to avoid a testosterone rollercoaster.

 

[Raffaz]

There is no definate answer for injection frequency of sust. Some people like to do it EOD, and some(me included) prefer to do it once a week(if the dosage allows this). As long as im getting my 500mg per week i cant see the difference really. I know alot of the bros will disagree, and say about the prop, but its only 30mgs worth. Heres a few other threads on the subject.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=367908

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=366154

Mick

 

[bigjxxl]

2 or 3cc doesn't matter
21 or 22 guage to draw and 23 to inject will be fine.Might take a little longer to inject but less scar tissue build up over time.
I would stick to glute injections for sust.Injecting into the shoulder with sust is askin for a world of hurt.
I've done about 5 sust cycles.I've done 1 injection per week .2x/wk and 3x/wk and In my experience it didnt make a difference. I didn't gain any more injecting 3 times a week then I did injecting once per week.

 

[boyer]

Ask questions, thats how you learn. Regarding injections...it has made a huge difference with me if I take the loaded syringe and place it under the faucet for a while and let hot water warm it up, just remember to keep the cap on the pin. Then inject VERY slowly. Then massage the area for a while. I have done this in the past and have zero pain after injecting. Good luck.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

No, the good thing about sust is that it kicks in quickly because of the fast acting esters in it. Unfortunatly, thats also the bad thing about sust as you need to shoot it pretty frequently to avoid a testosterone rollercoaster.

I ran into this a few weeks ago on here. People saying I was nuts to have dudes inject sust M/W/F.

 

[chyllaxyn]

Ask questions, thats how you learn. Regarding injections...it has made a huge difference with me if I take the loaded syringe and place it under the faucet for a while and let hot water warm it up, just remember to keep the cap on the pin. Then inject VERY slowly. Then massage the area for a while. I have done this in the past and have zero pain after injecting. Good luck.

Couldn't have said it better, well maybe
IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE !!!!

Nurses typically warm injections; it helps the muscle dissipate the oil.
And definitely massage.
My g/f is in nursing school. You can imagine my reaction when we met.
Hot ass, sweet smile, and you’re a nurse? cha-ching!
Beats massaging my own ass,


..and if you're doing vials warming before breaking thins the oil little so you get all the good stuff =)

 

[chyllaxyn]

1) You need to inject sust AT LEAST twice a week to keep blood levels even, why would you possibly tell him that he should be injecting less?!

I would have argued that point a few months ago. After an omna only cycle I can assets to the yo-yo affect. I found every E3D worked the best for me. Everyone’s metabolism is a bit different so your gains may vary….Objects may appear smaller than you think they are.


23g pin is fine, unless you just like the pain...

 

[Outtlaw]

Here we go again with the never ending argument over how frequently to inject sust. It all comes down to personal preference. Just shoot it however you want to. Nothing's worse than when all you experts jump on here and tell a first time user that he has to inject his sust 3x a week or he'll just be throwing away half the gains he could be making.

 

[fireflyer]

I love sust but it can sting. Doesn't hurt at all if you take deca in the same shot. Just one painless jab in the quads every five or six days is really easy. (IMO)

 

[Anthony Starks]

Here we go again with the never ending argument over how frequently to inject sust. It all comes down to personal preference. Just shoot it however you want to. Nothing's worse than when all you experts jump on here and tell a first time user that he has to inject his sust 3x a week or he'll just be throwing away half the gains he could be making.

First off, it was not experts telling a first time user he has to inject 3x a week, take a minute to actually read the posts. The guy was planning on shooting 2x a week and someone told him he was making a mistake shooting it that often.

Most importantly though, its not a matter of "personal preference", but a fact that shooting sust once a week is going to cause spikes in your active test levels over and over. Check it against ANY roid calc if you think you know better. Another fact and not "personal preference" is that you want to keep your active test levels as level as possible during a cycle. So, if someone comes on here saying that sust is better injected once a week then yes, I hope every expert does take the time to "jump on" and set the record straight.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

That was beautiful, but I cant give you K.

First off, it was not experts telling a first time user he has to inject 3x a week, take a minute to actually read the posts. The guy was planning on shooting 2x a week and someone told him he was making a mistake shooting it that often.

Most importantly though, its not a matter of "personal preference", but a fact that shooting sust once a week is going to cause spikes in your active test levels over and over. Check it against ANY roid calc if you think you know better. Another fact and not "personal preference" is that you want to keep your active test levels as level as possible during a cycle. So, if someone comes on here saying that sust is better injected once a week then yes, I hope every expert does take the time to "jump on" and set the record straight.

 

[Outtlaw]

First off, it was not experts telling a first time user he has to inject 3x a week, take a minute to actually read the posts. The guy was planning on shooting 2x a week and someone told him he was making a mistake shooting it that often.

Most importantly though, its not a matter of "personal preference", but a fact that shooting sust once a week is going to cause spikes in your active test levels over and over. Check it against ANY roid calc if you think you know better. Another fact and not "personal preference" is that you want to keep your active test levels as level as possible during a cycle. So, if someone comes on here saying that sust is better injected once a week then yes, I hope every expert does take the time to "jump on" and set the record straight.

Whatever bro. And I dont give a shit what any roid calculator tells you. I care about real world results. Have you ever used sust before?? We can put this to rest right now. I challenge you take part in a sust experiment with me. Lets get 3 or 4 unbiased people to run 2 sust cycles at 750mg/wk. They'll each run one cycle injecting 3x a wk, and another injecting injecting twice a week. If the guys make considerably better gains off 3x a week, then I'll have no problem admitting I was wrong.

 

[Anthony Starks]

Whatever bro. And I dont give a shit what any roid calculator tells you. I care about real world results. Have you ever used sust before?? We can put this to rest right now. I challenge you take part in a sust experiment with me. Lets get 3 or 4 unbiased people to run 2 sust cycles at 750mg/wk. They'll each run one cycle injecting 3x a wk, and another injecting injecting twice a week. If the guys make considerably better gains off 3x a week, then I'll have no problem admitting I was wrong.

Good thinking Outlaw, a "Sust Experiment!" That seems like a realistic and practical way to settle things. You go round up two people we can inject with steriods, I'll send out some money for 100 amps of sust. Once those two simple things are taken care of, we can just agree to fly out and meet each other once a week to see how your experiment goes.

Thats all I have to do for you to admit you were wrong? Apparently science and research don't mean much to an "Outlaw" like yourself.

 

[Outtlaw]

Good thinking Outlaw, a "Sust Experiment!" That seems like a realistic and practical way to settle things. You go round up two people we can inject with steriods, I'll send out some money for 100 amps of sust. Once those two simple things are taken care of, we can just agree to fly out and meet each other once a week to see how your experiment goes.

Thats all I have to do for you to admit you were wrong? Apparently science and research don't mean much to an "Outlaw" like yourself.

I'm actually quite serious... if you and your "roid calculator" are ready to stand behind your views in a real world setting. Im sure there are plenty of people here on EF that would be willing to take part in this in order to better educate everyone. We wont have to travel anywhere.

Im not debating what research says about blood levels... Im debating results. If you're that confident that your 3x a week injection will yeild better gains than my twice a wk, then lets put it to test.

 

[Bigdogmikey]

clomid is 14-21 days after the cycle ends. I say around day 17....first day take 200mg second day 100mg then 50mg a day till you run out. With sust only You can gain a nice sold 15lbs. my first cycle was sust/deca 250/200 and i gained 25lbs. Also try www.spotinjections.com for pictures on how to inject...

 

[bigjxxl]

I have to agree with Outlaw on this one.

As I said before In MYexperience i did not see a difference in 1 inj/ wk or 3. I know it makes good scientific sense that more frequent injections of sust would maintain a more even test level due to the prop, but for some reason it doesnt seem to work that way.

Anybody else have any real life input on this?

 

[Raffaz]

I would love to get into this experiment, but im mid cycle now. Ive gotta agree with outlaw though. Ive tried sust EOD and sust once a week and i see no difference. Im running sust right now at 500mg per week, one shot every sat, and i can honestly say that its the same gains wise etc. At the end of the day im still getting my 500mg per week just like someone else who chooses to inject twice weekly. It seems to me like its all down to personal preference, EVERYONE reacts differently to different substances(we all must be agreed on that). I think every sust user should just try both ways see what works best and stick with it. The end.

Mick

 

[stucazz]

Ask questions, thats how you learn. Regarding injections...it has made a huge difference with me if I take the loaded syringe and place it under the faucet for a while and let hot water warm it up, just remember to keep the cap on the pin. Then inject VERY slowly. Then massage the area for a while. I have done this in the past and have zero pain after injecting. Good luck.

Motorhumper...what size needle do you use? And how long do you keep the syringe under hot water?

 

[stucazz]

clomid is 14-21 days after the cycle ends. I say around day 17....first day take 200mg second day 100mg then 50mg a day till you run out. With sust only You can gain a nice sold 15lbs. my first cycle was sust/deca 250/200 and i gained 25lbs. Also try www.spotinjections.com for pictures on how to inject...

Ok so... How long did it take you to inject 450mg? And what size tip did you use to inject?

 

[stucazz]

Thanks bros! I really appreciate all of your imputs, however I am still a bit confused as to the best size needle for quad injection. Everyone has theyr own opinion (of course). I am thinking of going with the 23 Guage and perhaps use the 21 for draw. Something about injecting in my butt scares me, and I can deal with a "little" pain.
Does everyone agree to take Test only as a first cycle or should I add Deca for better gains?

 

[gimp]

yes...sustanon is good for a cycle
250mg on mon. 250mg on thurs. for a total of 500mg/week
eat and train according to what you are wanting to achive (bulk or cut).
training must be intense and eating must be at least 6 meals per day with appropriate carbs/fat/protein...
use a 21 gauge to draw the sust up and switch to a 23 gauge 1 inch to shoot.
Go for the glute...do not shoot in your thigh or shoulder for the first time...the glute site is very obvious were to inject. use a 3cc syringe

start pct 3 weeks after your last inject of sust

 

[Anthony Starks]

yes...sustanon is good for a cycle
250mg on mon. 250mg on thurs. for a total of 500mg/week
eat and train according to what you are wanting to achive (bulk or cut).
training must be intense and eating must be at least 6 meals per day with appropriate carbs/fat/protein...
use a 21 gauge to draw the sust up and switch to a 23 gauge 1 inch to shoot.
Go for the glute...do not shoot in your thigh or shoulder for the first time...the glute site is very obvious were to inject. use a 3cc syringe

start pct 3 weeks after your last inject of sust

Gimp, I agree with everything except for two small things. One, I think a 25g is better to inject with, less discomfort and less scar tissue. Also, a 2cc syringe is fine if you already have them, you are only shooting 1cc of oil. Everything else seems spot on.

 

[stucazz]

yes...sustanon is good for a cycle
250mg on mon. 250mg on thurs. for a total of 500mg/week
eat and train according to what you are wanting to achive (bulk or cut).
training must be intense and eating must be at least 6 meals per day with appropriate carbs/fat/protein...
use a 21 gauge to draw the sust up and switch to a 23 gauge 1 inch to shoot.
Go for the glute...do not shoot in your thigh or shoulder for the first time...the glute site is very obvious were to inject. use a 3cc syringe

start pct 3 weeks after your last inject of sust

Well what you're saying makes a lot of sense to me bro. Looks like you know what you're talking about.

 

[benny1970]

stucazz,
Since you are doing 500mg/week, I'd split it into 2 injects, Mon & Friday. Regardless of whether the gains will be better or not, you'll be injecting less volume each time, so less chance of pain, and you can alternate between left and right glute for the shots.
As for doing twice as many shots, it won't bother you after the first few times. Seems like a lot of guys actually end up looking forward to their injection!

 

[stucazz]

stucazz,
Since you are doing 500mg/week, I'd split it into 2 injects, Mon & Friday. Regardless of whether the gains will be better or not, you'll be injecting less volume each time, so less chance of pain, and you can alternate between left and right glute for the shots.
As for doing twice as many shots, it won't bother you after the first few times. Seems like a lot of guys actually end up looking forward to their injection!

I'm a little nervous, but I can't wait. I should have my Test in a week or so, and I plan to start in 2 weeks. How do you feel about injecting 250mgs in the quads twice a week?

 

[fireflyer]

Love it - I can't wait for the next shot - probably just mental but I feel great that whole day! Want to take the sting out - add a little deca - yum - IMO.

 

[stucazz]

Love it - I can't wait for the next shot - probably just mental but I feel great that whole day! Want to take the sting out - add a little deca - yum - IMO.

Like 200mgs of Deca twice a week in same syringe?

 

[stucazz]

Alright guys, no I am not dead and yes I'm still going to start my cycle. Since my last post I came down with the flu and I have finally come out of it. I have not even been able to work out for nearly 3 weeks but now I'm back in the gym. Turns out I have been able to get some Deca and HCG plus Nolva; I'll be incorporating these with my Test cycle. The following will be my new first cycle:

12wk cycle:

Week 1 (Sun) - 250 mgs(1ml) Sust, combined with 50mg(1/2ml) Deca for a total of 300mgs, plus 10mgs of Naposim(5mg in the morning and 5mg in the evening).

Weeks 2 thru 11 - 250mgs Sust and 50mgs Deca (Sun/Wed) for a total of 500mgs x wk and 100mgs Deca x wk, plus 10mgs Naposim(5mg in the morning and 5mg in the evening).

Week 12 (Sun) - 250 mgs(1ml) Sust, combined with 50mg(1/2ml) Deca for a total of 300mgs, plus 10mgs of Naposim(5mg in the morning and 5mg in the evening).

For PCT:

Mid cycle(wk 6): 500 IUs HCG (sun/wed) for a total of 1000 IUs.

Two days after the last shot: 1000 IUs HCG 2x/wk (sun/wed) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50mgs Clomid for the first week(7days). After, I discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolva ED for an additional 5 weeks.

How does this new cycle and PCT look to you guys?

I will be doing my first quad injection in a few minutes... wish me luck!

My current profile:

Sex: Male

Age: 42

Weight: 182lbs

Height: 5' 10"

Body fat: 19.5%

UPDATE:

I took my forst quad injection today and everything went smoothly. Thanks to all for giving me the confidence to do this.

 

[stucazz]