My Trusted Bro's, Gyno Issue I Cannot Resolve

[Indy]

Folks, I am about 9 weeks into a test/deca cycle, running 1000mg/600mg respectively, and for these final weeks I am also on TBOL, 80mg/day.

Now my full intentions this cycle was NO ANTI-E's unless they were needed. First 4 weeks I ran IGF so there was no bloat due to it's ability to block the extra water, so no issues there.

Now for the last 3-4 weeks I have had the common "sensitive" and sore nipples, which of course I have seen in the past. This time after trying Arimidex, Nolvadex, and Nolvadex with Proviron, there has not been the smallest reduction in pain. Still no bloat cause I am taking anti-e's now I am sure but usually one of any of the above kicks it out of me in 1-2 weeks. I know none of this stuff is fake, it's all legit sealed pharmacy meds, and have used them in the past from this batch with good luck, just seems like I am much more sensitive this time around and I dont mean anything

Also taking Cabaser in the normal dose for the Deca.

 

[Makavelli]

Sorry to hear that Indy. What dose of nolva are you using? I would use 60 mgs/day of nolva. Nolva has a great binding affinity for the receptors around the nipple. Use arimidex at 1 mg/day. Hope it works for ya.

 

[Indy]

Sorry to hear that Indy. What dose of nolva are you using? I would use 60 mgs/day of nolva. Nolva has a great binding affinity for the receptors around the nipple. Use arimidex at 1 mg/day. Hope it works for ya.

Have not gone over 40mg/day cause I was stacking with Proviron......I will up the Nolvadex, anypoint in stacking arimidex with it ?? Never did that in past.

 

[BigCracker]

Tough it out and get them surgically removed after you go off. Sounds like you're one of the unfortunate ones that have no other alternative. I know quite a few guys that have had this surgery. It's about $1500 per tit and you'll be back in the gym in a week or so. Or you could just keeping blowing your $$$ on Nolva, etc and eventually buy a training bra??? Seriously, why spend all that $$$ on anti estrogens, etc when you could have it removed? You'll probably save $$$ long term.

 

[DieselGunz]

Tough it out and get them surgically removed after you go off. Sounds like you're one of the unfortunate ones that have no other alternative. I know quite a few guys that have had this surgery. It's about $1500 per tit and you'll be back in the gym in a week or so. Or you could just keeping blowing your $$$ on Nolva, etc and eventually buy a training bra??? Seriously, why spend all that $$$ on anti estrogens, etc when you could have it removed? You'll probably save $$$ long term.

this is the stupidest post I have read in a LONG time

 

[Makavelli]

Have not gone over 40mg/day cause I was stacking with Proviron......I will up the Nolvadex, anypoint in stacking arimidex with it ?? Never did that in past.

At this point yes. I would add the rimi in just to be safe.

 

[Indy]

Tough it out and get them surgically removed after you go off. Sounds like you're one of the unfortunate ones that have no other alternative. I know quite a few guys that have had this surgery. It's about $1500 per tit and you'll be back in the gym in a week or so. Or you could just keeping blowing your $$$ on Nolva, etc and eventually buy a training bra??? Seriously, why spend all that $$$ on anti estrogens, etc when you could have it removed? You'll probably save $$$ long term.

No, not that bad, no tits or anything, just sore nipples......if it was getting that bad I would have quit the gear before surgery would enter my mind.

 

[Indy]

At this point yes. I would add the rimi in just to be safe.

Thanks, Mak, I'll post back in 5 days, hopefully with some good results, and that I am still on cycle.

 

[jokerswild]

I feel your pain, Just finished my last cycle 500mg Test 500mg Deca 50mg Dbol, and the Deca really caused some pain towards the end. I was taking Nolva and armidex, even some clomid but nothing worked, I'm one week off and the pain and knots are going away FINALLY......

 

[shamrock11]

Add the armidex it can't hust and up the nolva to 0 for a couple of weeks and see how it goes.

 

[crunkjuice]

Have not gone over 40mg/day cause I was stacking with Proviron......I will up the Nolvadex, anypoint in stacking arimidex with it ?? Never did that in past.

my understanding is that the benefit of stacking arimidex with nolva is that the nolva should block the estrogen receptors while the arimidex prevents some of the aromatase from making more estrogen, so the level of estrogen is reduced... I think when you just take nolva that is supposed to keep the estrogen from affecting you, but the arimidex should help to actually reduce the level of estrogen present. best of luck resolving these issues

 

[nishnish]

hey indy69---

try supplementing with B6 at 600mg/day split up in three doses. you can get it at the grocery store in 200mg per pill form for like $4. i dramatically increases dopamine levels, which in turn dramatically reduces prolactin in your system.

since you are taking all those anti-e's and are still experiencing puffiness/soreness, it could be very likely due to prolaction buildup.

it works surprisingly well and is very safe. you will also have some very vivid dreams!

 

[Indy]

hey indy69---

try supplementing with B6 at 600mg/day split up in three doses. you can get it at the grocery store in 200mg per pill form for like $4. i dramatically increases dopamine levels, which in turn dramatically reduces prolactin in your system.

since you are taking all those anti-e's and are still experiencing puffiness/soreness, it could be very likely due to prolaction buildup.

it works surprisingly well and is very safe. you will also have some very vivid dreams!

I'll try that.....I have plenty on hand, and that's what must have gave me those dreams back when I was supplementing with it alot, those were some wild times, hell I'll take it just for the dreams

 

[nishnish]

yeah, i start taking it the minute i start taking deca... it really works!

and yeah, the dreams are a hell of a bonus.

hope it helps

 

[FreakMonster]

I would also do the Nolva at least 2 months after you have finished your cycle. The nolva will help get rid some of the hard tissue you have.

 

[Indy]

I would also do the Nolva at least 2 months after you have finished your cycle. The nolva will help get rid some of the hard tissue you have.

But all my tissue is "HARD"

 

[trinidad]

I would also do the Nolva at least 2 months after you have finished your cycle. The nolva will help get rid some of the hard tissue you have.

I agree with this, brother. Indy, did you see my post, "Gyno b-gone pic"? I had the same thing happen to me with a test/deca cycle and began running nolva as soon as I got sore/puffy nips. It went away with the nolva but the lump developed long after. I wish I would've ran the nolva for an addition couple of months after. I ended up having the surgery.

 

[donsj]

Have you considered it may be progesterone related in which case nolva won't do ?

 

[Stacemranger]

Hope that gets out Indy. I know what you're feeling.

 

[trinidad]

Have you considered it may be progesterone related in which case nolva won't do ?

progesterone....THAT'S the term I was looking for in my earlier thread. That's the type I think I encountered, which is caused by deca. I'd like to try deca again, if I could be certain I wouldn't get gyno again. Anything that helps pregesterone induced gyno?

 

[Indy]

I agree with this, brother. Indy, did you see my post, "Gyno b-gone pic"? I had the same thing happen to me with a test/deca cycle and began running nolva as soon as I got sore/puffy nips. It went away with the nolva but the lump developed long after. I wish I would've ran the nolva for an addition couple of months after. I ended up having the surgery.

Looks like I'll run the Nolva longer than expected then, and yes been compensating for the progesterone since day one of cycle, I dont mess around with that stuff, I always do when running deca, it's the test I was letting run rampid until I started anti-e's

 

[black sheep]

this is the stupidest post I have read in a LONG time

I definately approve your post!

 

[black sheep]

I would run the Nolva at 40mg ed and run the arimidex at 1mg ED. Arimidex should block any further estrogen conversion, and the Nolva should block the binding of what is already present.

 

[crfpilot14]

friend had a similar issue on a similar cycle...he started his winny early and the pain went away....

 

[Indy]

Looks like I'll run the Nolva longer than expected then, and yes been compensating for the progesterone since day one of cycle, I dont mess around with that stuff, I always do when running deca, it's the test I was letting run rampid until I started anti-e's

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People PLEASE read before jumping on me, yes I am taking Cabaser it states that, I always take from day one. I NEVER take anti-e from day one as I allow the bloat and estrogen to help with strength, but start anti-e's before it goes beyond sensitivity......always done in the past, just seems as if this time feels like the anti-e doses need to be higher than normal, which is why I was sharing it. I get another fucking bash from and idiot that does not finish reading the post before you start jumping on me, I will make sure half the fucking bro's on this site bomb your ass out of here.

Have a NICE FUCKING DAY !

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

Folks, I am about 9 weeks into a test/deca cycle, running 1000mg/600mg respectively, and for these final weeks I am also on TBOL, 80mg/day.

Now my full intentions this cycle was NO ANTI-E's unless they were needed. First 4 weeks I ran IGF so there was no bloat due to it's ability to block the extra water, so no issues there.

Now for the last 3-4 weeks I have had the common "sensitive" and sore nipples, which of course I have seen in the past. This time after trying Arimidex, Nolvadex, and Nolvadex with Proviron, there has not been the smallest reduction in pain. Still no bloat cause I am taking anti-e's now I am sure but usually one of any of the above kicks it out of me in 1-2 weeks. I know none of this stuff is fake, it's all legit sealed pharmacy meds, and have used them in the past from this batch with good luck, just seems like I am much more sensitive this time around and I dont mean anything

Also taking Cabaser in the normal dose for the Deca.

I'm just coming off 750/600 stack same as yours just alittle less T. Anyway gyno hit me like a bitch at about week 6 -7....had to take at lEAST 40mg nolva ed and usually 60 for it to stay away...it'll go away tho

 

[wayneboard1]

Folks, I am about 9 weeks into a test/deca cycle, running 1000mg/600mg respectively, and for these final weeks I am also on TBOL, 80mg/day.

Now my full intentions this cycle was NO ANTI-E's unless they were needed. First 4 weeks I ran IGF so there was no bloat due to it's ability to block the extra water, so no issues there.

Now for the last 3-4 weeks I have had the common "sensitive" and sore nipples, which of course I have seen in the past. This time after trying Arimidex, Nolvadex, and Nolvadex with Proviron, there has not been the smallest reduction in pain. Still no bloat cause I am taking anti-e's now I am sure but usually one of any of the above kicks it out of me in 1-2 weeks. I know none of this stuff is fake, it's all legit sealed pharmacy meds, and have used them in the past from this batch with good luck, just seems like I am much more sensitive this time around and I dont mean anything

Also taking Cabaser in the normal dose for the Deca.

Hey Indy sorry to hear about your issue sman. I don't recall your last cycle(s) doses, is this high compared to what you have done in the past?

 

[Indy]

Hey Indy sorry to hear about your issue sman. I don't recall your last cycle(s) doses, is this high compared to what you have done in the past?

No, the AAS dose is no higher, just seems like the Anti-e's dosages cannot remain the same, they MUST increase to keep effectiveness, kind of the point of the of post...I already upped the dose of Nolva to 60mg/day, usually run 40 then down to 20, and added the arimidex onto it as a stack at 1mg/day. cabaser is a given, never take deca without it in my house Oh yea, bomb that asshole 2 posts up

 

[crunkjuice]

progesterone....THAT'S the term I was looking for in my earlier thread. That's the type I think I encountered, which is caused by deca. I'd like to try deca again, if I could be certain I wouldn't get gyno again. Anything that helps pregesterone induced gyno?

dostinex / cabaser is supposed to help.... well at least help reduce prolactin levels to prevent the formation of progesterone induced gyno..... but I do not know if it can help reverse it after the fact.... its said that progesterone alone cannot cause gyno, that it needs estrogen present to do so, so it could be a combination of the two that is making treatment difficult....

 

[crunkjuice]

oh, by the way indy I did read that you had been taking the cabaser just trying to answer hvywghtchamp ? =)

 

[Indy]

friend had a similar issue on a similar cycle...he started his winny early and the pain went away....

Winny can do that, but in past experiances, winny and my body do not get along.....cabaser, adex, nolvadex, that's about it besides proviron

 

[nishnish]

progesterone....THAT'S the term I was looking for in my earlier thread. That's the type I think I encountered, which is caused by deca. I'd like to try deca again, if I could be certain I wouldn't get gyno again. Anything that helps pregesterone induced gyno?

i'm telling ya bros-

B6 600mg/day

 

[BigCracker]

this is the stupidest post I have read in a LONG time

If you're gonna talk trash, at least explain why. I don't care how many posts you have or how long you've been an EF member, the least you could do is man up and state your case instead of talking shit to see how many guys that are easily impressed by your avatar will suck your weenie by jumping on the same bandwagon.

I'm not above criticism, a lot of my knowledge is old school(I've been training and around AS since 86). Over the past 5 yrs or so I haven't really kept up on the latest advances in AS and PCT available on the internet, so I'm here to learn as well as share my knowledge. And before you go attacking me again for no reason, you might wanna consider who you're talking shit too-especially since I make you look like a rejected reader submission to Men's Health and Fitness Magazine. Sorry to sound rude, but if you searched every one of my posts you'd see that I've never been an asshole to anyone on here (until just now-congrats!) and for the most part I've been made to feel quite welcome. I may be a smartass at times, but I've never gone so far as to call anyone's post "stupid" And if I did, I'd sure as Hell would have the balls to say why.

 

[black sheep]

If you're gonna talk trash, at least explain why. I don't care how many posts you have or how long you've been an EF member, the least you could do is man up and state your case instead of talking shit to see how many guys that are easily impressed by your avatar will suck your weenie by jumping on the same bandwagon.

I'm not above criticism, a lot of my knowledge is old school(I've been training and around AS since 86). Over the past 5 yrs or so I haven't really kept up on the latest advances in AS and PCT available on the internet, so I'm here to learn as well as share my knowledge. And before you go attacking me again for no reason, you might wanna consider who you're talking shit too-especially since I make you look like a rejected reader submission to Men's Health and Fitness Magazine. Sorry to sound rude, but if you searched every one of my posts you'd see that I've never been an asshole to anyone on here (until just now-congrats!) and for the most part I've been made to feel quite welcome. I may be a smartass at times, but I've never gone so far as to call anyone's post "stupid" And if I did, I'd sure as Hell would have the balls to say why.

I will explain why for him... You just advised someone not to take any precautionary measures to protect his body from unwanted sides... Instead you recommend he have cosmetic surgery to fix it...

That is like saying - "Hey don't wear your seat belt.. If you get in a wreck and your face goes through the windshield, you can always have reconstructive surgery!"

I am not going to call you stupid... But I am going to recommend that you don't give out advice....

 

[DieselGunz]

No, the AAS dose is no higher, just seems like the Anti-e's dosages cannot remain the same, they MUST increase to keep effectiveness, kind of the point of the of post...I already upped the dose of Nolva to 60mg/day, usually run 40 then down to 20, and added the arimidex onto it as a stack at 1mg/day. cabaser is a given, never take deca without it in my house Oh yea, bomb that asshole 2 posts up

lights out

 

[DieselGunz]

If you're gonna talk trash, at least explain why. I don't care how many posts you have or how long you've been an EF member, the least you could do is man up and state your case instead of talking shit to see how many guys that are easily impressed by your avatar will suck your weenie by jumping on the same bandwagon.

I'm not above criticism, a lot of my knowledge is old school(I've been training and around AS since 86). Over the past 5 yrs or so I haven't really kept up on the latest advances in AS and PCT available on the internet, so I'm here to learn as well as share my knowledge. And before you go attacking me again for no reason, you might wanna consider who you're talking shit too-especially since I make you look like a rejected reader submission to Men's Health and Fitness Magazine. Sorry to sound rude, but if you searched every one of my posts you'd see that I've never been an asshole to anyone on here (until just now-congrats!) and for the most part I've been made to feel quite welcome. I may be a smartass at times, but I've never gone so far as to call anyone's post "stupid" And if I did, I'd sure as Hell would have the balls to say why.

OK congrats you just rustled my feathers, Man up WTF i have the right to my opinion and i said it that post was retarded

second what I look like has nothing to do with how i post, I have done one small cycle of var thats it, I can imagine what you have done. Oh and by the way nice try talking shit about me, post pics then talk shit until then SHUT IT

You just pwned yourself you dont know shit about PCT so if you dont know then dont post what you know nothing about. What you say on here kids take to heart so keep that in mind. You probly have gyno so bad that it would make Pamela anderson jelous with how you deal with anti Es!

I dont argue so congrats back at you for being MY first

 

[Extra_Strong]

mmmmmmm thread was looking pretty good...

I have to say i am suprised about the anti=e's not working..

good luck to you Indy..

 

[wayneboard1]

No, the AAS dose is no higher, just seems like the Anti-e's dosages cannot remain the same, they MUST increase to keep effectiveness, kind of the point of the of post...I already upped the dose of Nolva to 60mg/day, usually run 40 then down to 20, and added the arimidex onto it as a stack at 1mg/day. cabaser is a given, never take deca without it in my house Oh yea, bomb that asshole 2 posts up

Consider it done.

 

[bobbie]

Tough it out and get them surgically removed after you go off. Sounds like you're one of the unfortunate ones that have no other alternative. I know quite a few guys that have had this surgery. It's about $1500 per tit and you'll be back in the gym in a week or so. Or you could just keeping blowing your $$$ on Nolva, etc and eventually buy a training bra??? Seriously, why spend all that $$$ on anti estrogens, etc when you could have it removed? You'll probably save $$$ long term.

When i was 19 two years after taking gear( yes i know way way to young) but as i said before that was 15 years ago i had both surgically removed & from that day on i have never had to use anti estrogens again. 13 years on & tons of gear. Is that y? & is that what u r saying. If so it would ans a big Question for me then

 

[BigCracker]

OK congrats you just rustled my feathers, Man up WTF i have the right to my opinion and i said it that post was retarded

second what I look like has nothing to do with how i post, I have done one small cycle of var thats it, I can imagine what you have done. Oh and by the way nice try talking shit about me, post pics then talk shit until then SHUT IT

You just pwned yourself you dont know shit about PCT so if you dont know then dont post what you know nothing about. What you say on here kids take to heart so keep that in mind. You probly have gyno so bad that it would make Pamela anderson jelous with how you deal with anti Es!

I dont argue so congrats back at you for being MY first

First off it's "ruffled" your feathers, not "rustled" you ignoramus. And if you wanna use your small cycle of var as an excuse to have such a wimpy, unbalanced physique, I don't need to embarass you any further by posting pics of myself. I think you leave your legs at home when you go to the gym-because it's obvious they've never been trained a day in your life. And the only thing I "pwned" is your old lady when I slap her ass before I send her out on the street to make me my money. My 5 yrs of not surfing the web day after day in search of bodybuilding breakthroughs hardly matters when you're someone like me that has 20 years in the gym under his belt. I've even trained with the pros at Venice, CA Gold's. I have quite a few pros that I call friends, and guess what? A good portion of them have not only had their gyno removed, but liposuction in other areas as well. So going under the knife is not as uncommon as you think. And you sound like some Cho-Mo by playing the "impressionable children card" -oh wait, that's how pedophiles get children to trust them before they tap that ass-sorry I ruined your latest attempt at chicken-hawking And your Pam Anderson comment was ultra lame -but not nearly as bad as your spelling and grammar. So for the kids, be sure to stay in school or you'll end up the stereotypical illiterate meathead like DieselGunz- The Ostrich body. Oh yeah, tell your old lady if she doesn't make me at least $500 today I'm gonna beat her crotch with a bunched up coat hanger again.

 

[Indy]

First off it's "ruffled"

Guys thanks for officially hijacking my thread with childish SHIT, everyone grow up or go bitch in another forum,

 

[trinidad]

Guys thanks for officially hijacking my thread with childish SHIT, everyone grow up or go bitch in another forum,

AMEN!! Can't we stick to the issue at hand and try and help a brother out?! indy, do you think the tbol may have added the extra estrogen boost to the cycle? I know it's supposed to be milder than dbol but I've never tried it. Just wondering since the first 4 wks or so were ok.

 

[Indy]

AMEN!! Can't we stick to the issue at hand and try and help a brother out?! indy, do you think the tbol may have added the extra estrogen boost to the cycle? I know it's supposed to be milder than dbol but I've never tried it. Just wondering since the first 4 wks or so were ok.

I really dont, what I think it boils down to, is the more we go thru these cycles, and obviously whether up increase our AAS dosages or not, which eventually we do over time, it seems that the anti-e dosage may need increased a little quicker. Seems as if my body is now more sensitive to estrogen than in the past for some reason.....that's what I am trying to get down to, that would add one more deviance to drawing up future cycles...see what I mean.

 

[trinidad]

Yeah, I think I see what you mean....kind of like a junkie needing more and more heroin to get the same buzz as before because the body adapts quickly? Hehehe!

 

[Indy]

Yeah, I think I see what you mean....kind of like a junkie needing more and more heroin to get the same buzz as before because the body adapts quickly? Hehehe!

I question your analogy, but YEA exactly !!!

 

[nishnish]

indy, do you think the tbol may have added the extra estrogen boost to the cycle? I know it's supposed to be milder than dbol but I've never tried it. Just wondering since the first 4 wks or so were ok.

-tbol doesn't aromatize, so no...

 

[BigCracker]

Sorry guys-just defending myself and my opinions. My inital response to this thread was posted with the best of intentions. I haven't encountered anyone ever flipping me shit here before, so I wasn't anticipating a flame war. My knowledge of BB, AS, And pre contest prep goes back almost 2 decades-long before typing words in a search engine was an option. So when some roid puppy starts trashing my reply without stating why I'm going to get defensive.

 

[trinidad]

-tbol doesn't aromatize, so no...

Gotcha. indy.....I got that from an HBO show, trust me....I'd never touch that garbage.

 

[Indy]

Sorry guys-just defending myself and my opinions. My inital response to this thread was posted with the best of intentions. I haven't encountered anyone ever flipping me shit here before, so I wasn't anticipating a flame war. My knowledge of BB, AS, And pre contest prep goes back almost 2 decades-long before typing words in a search engine was an option. So when some roid puppy starts trashing my reply without stating why I'm going to get defensive.

No harm done, we'll move on

 

[crfpilot14]

have you thought that maybe your anti-e is bad, low concentration, etc...?? this has happened to one of my friends with nolva. he got some brand name tabs that were either old or low concentration as he needed 3 times the dose to keep the sides away. next cycle he used a different nova and 10-20mg was all he needed.

 

[Indy]

have you thought that maybe your anti-e is bad, low concentration, etc...?? this has happened to one of my friends with nolva. he got some brand name tabs that were either old or low concentration as he needed 3 times the dose to keep the sides away. next cycle he used a different nova and 10-20mg was all he needed.

It's always a possibility, even with name brand human grade gear......