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My second but yet Hardcore cycle!!!!!!!!

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Hardcore20

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what up fellas!

Here are my stats
height 6-2
weight 260
age 19 (almost 20)
BF probably 18-20%
Just to let you guys know i play center for the college I play for that why my BF is so high.
Goals are to get to 285 during the season while loosing 5% BF

My first cycle was this summer I took
week 1-8 600mg test cyp a week
week 1-4 1 drol a day
week 1-8 300mg of durabolin a week
I had NOLVADEX but didn't have to use it. I did take clomid after cycle.

Here is the cycle I am starting next week
week 1-10 1gram of sust a week
week 1-10 400 mg of EQ a week
week 1-10 300mg of DECA a week
week 5-10 75mg of fina EOD

I will also be taking T3 @ 25mcg's throughout the cycle. I will also have Nol and clomid for later use. I won't be taking any orals this cycle since the drol did such a number on my ass last cycle. I would like to try Halo but that shit is impossible to find these days. well what do you guys think
 
looks good man, looks like you researched your shit. I wouldnt take a gram of test being a second cycle and being 19 but judging from you size, it may work out well. good luck
 
YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

Why try to ruin your body. Taking this ammount of ANY medication, especially anabolic steroids can have sreroius health considerations. Keep us posted on your prostate, kidneys, liver values, blood pressure, and endoctrine disturbances.
You are too young and inexperienced to do this. You have enough juice for 5 cycles at least. Get a grip. I know i may sound preachy, as i always get accused of this, but man i am trying to help you. Don't even start this cycle. Your Heart will thank you when you turn 30, Yes that's right you will not even have to wait till 40 to worry about your heart, and hell your kidneys may start to complain sooner. Remember those kidneys. Any damage to them is ALWAYS pernmanent. Symptoms may subside but the damage is there.

Take care.
 
I would consider getting some liquidex if you have the cash, I used it in my last two cycles and it was awesome, no bloat my nuts barely shrank. You are going to have deca and eq in your system to at least week 13. So as zyglamil helped me with my cycle and if you think about it you have those two to three weeks before you can start the clomid that you have low amount's of hormone in your system, so start the fina at around week nine and run up to three days before you start your clomid. You may want to consider running the fina ed at 75mg. I just did it and was noticably better than when I ran eod last year. Lastly watch out for progestorone you may want to have winny or ru-486 on hand with the fina and deca together.
 
gwl9dta4 said:
YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

Why try to ruin your body. Taking this ammount of ANY medication, especially anabolic steroids can have sreroius health considerations. Keep us posted on your prostate, kidneys, liver values, blood pressure, and endoctrine disturbances.
You are too young and inexperienced to do this. You have enough juice for 5 cycles at least. Get a grip. I know i may sound preachy, as i always get accused of this, but man i am trying to help you. Don't even start this cycle. Your Heart will thank you when you turn 30, Yes that's right you will not even have to wait till 40 to worry about your heart, and hell your kidneys may start to complain sooner. Remember those kidneys. Any damage to them is ALWAYS pernmanent. Symptoms may subside but the damage is there.

Take care.
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I think you have some things mixed up because it seems to me your the idiot. If you really think this is alot of gear you have been seriously missinformed. First of all did you see how large I am, ye for a 130lbs bitch boy it would be alot of gear, but for a 260lbs guy I don't think so. No hard feelings bro, but you need to get you ass out of the closet and be reintroduced to the real world.


droid, liquidex is out of the question for money reasons. I have heard great things about it but maybe next time once I go 2 grams of test a week.
 
I think that's a shitload of gear as well. You're young and feeling invencible now, but you will be in you're 40's some day and you'd regret a cycle that big. Drop the doses a little.
 
ok I would drop the sust to say 750mg a week for ten weeks, and use the money you are going to use for the extra sust for an extra vial of eq and run it at 600mg for ten weeks. I would use the deca at least 450mg a week and the fina looks good. I would not use deca and fina at the same time for gyno reasons. Maybe take the deca out, and get d-bol,up to you, I think this would be a nice 2nd cycle

sust @ 750mg 1-10
if you want the first two weeks at a 1000mg
eq 1-10 @ 600mg
d-bol 1-4 30-40mg ed
fina is good 5-10 at 75mg a day
 
Drug test??

Wont your college test for use? If they might then I would reconsider the deca.
 
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benzo27 said:
Wont your college test for use? If they might then I would reconsider the deca.
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ye they test but thats the least of my worries anyways it's a testosterone ratio test, I thing 6/1 ratio if I remember correctly.
 
Looks fine to me. I would run Tren for all 12 weeks, unless you have temper problems, but then, stay away from it, altogether.
Getting some Liquidex is a very good idea.
 
Hardcore20 said:


I think you have some things mixed up because it seems to me your the idiot. If you really think this is alot of gear you have been seriously missinformed. First of all did you see how large I am, ye for a 130lbs bitch boy it would be alot of gear, but for a 260lbs guy I don't think so. No hard feelings bro, but you need to get you ass out of the closet and be reintroduced to the real world.


droid, liquidex is out of the question for money reasons. I have heard great things about it but maybe next time once I go 2 grams of test a week.
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No, i don't have you mixed up. look at some of my posts. I got up to about 275 on 2 amps of sust. Looking to hit 300 by the next cycle. I am a believer in proper training and recuperation, then diet and lastly drugs. In that order, you will need only a fraction of what you are proposing to take.
 
vinman said:
Playing center at 260, wow you better eat, eat , eat. Best of luck this season.
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ye I know, I came in at 280 but all those damn 2 a days really fuck up everything you work on over the summer.
 
i agree with both guys, one that says you use too much, and the other that says use the drug last and low. I think it all depends on how you feel on the time of the cycle, take for instance if you aren't hungry when going into a cycle then thats when I would use higher doses, but if you are going into a cycle fired up and feeling good, I think you can get the same results with lower doses because you are hungry. I admit I should go into every cycle fired up, but sometimes my body feels tired and not wanting to train and depressed from being off(especially the clomid) even when Im about to start a cycle. This is when I know I have to do a heavier cycle, it all depends on the motivation you have and how hungry you are to get big going into the cycle you are getting ready to do.
 
MikeyLikesJuice said:
i agree with both guys, one that says you use too much, and the other that says use the drug last and low. I think it all depends on how you feel on the time of the cycle, take for instance if you aren't hungry when going into a cycle then thats when I would use higher doses, but if you are going into a cycle fired up and feeling good, I think you can get the same results with lower doses because you are hungry. I admit I should go into every cycle fired up, but sometimes my body feels tired and not wanting to train and depressed from being off(especially the clomid) even when Im about to start a cycle. This is when I know I have to do a heavier cycle, it all depends on the motivation you have and how hungry you are to get big going into the cycle you are getting ready to do.
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you hit the hammer on the nail with that post. I feel worthless especially sense football is draining me, I have got to get back in the groove and believe me this cycle will do it.
 
i agree with you then hardcore on doing the heavy cycle then if you feel like that. When I feel like that and hit a small cycle it doesn't give me enough to slap me out of the daze, so I have to increase, which eventually snaps me out because I have so much extra test that needs to be released in the gym, good luck with the cycle and keep us posted later
 
Hardcore20 said:


I think you have some things mixed up because it seems to me your the idiot. If you really think this is alot of gear you have been seriously missinformed. First of all did you see how large I am, ye for a 130lbs bitch boy it would be alot of gear, but for a 260lbs guy I don't think so. No hard feelings bro, but you need to get you ass out of the closet and be reintroduced to the real world.


droid, liquidex is out of the question for money reasons. I have heard great things about it but maybe next time once I go 2 grams of test a week.
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260 lbs but 20% BF.....hummm honestly before getting bigger I would rather consider loosing some of this fat ...

Liquidex: bro you wanna do 1 gramm of test but cant afford liquidex. Good luck.

"maybe next time once I go 2 grams of test"...........damn think big....
 
manny78 said:



260 lbs but 20% BF.....hummm honestly before getting bigger I would rather consider loosing some of this fat ...

Liquidex: bro you wanna do 1 gramm of test but cant afford liquidex. Good luck.

"maybe next time once I go 2 grams of test"...........damn think big....
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dude I am an offensive center, do you wan't me to have a six pack at 5% bf. and yes I can afford the test since I get it dirt cheap.
 
Hardcore20 said:



dude I am an offensive center, do you wan't me to have a six pack at 5% bf. and yes I can afford the test since I get it dirt cheap.
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so if all you wanna do is get big then just eat more and more and take some A-bombs...... You wanna be a fat Mofo then its your choice.....
 
i like the cycle, you are a big boy so the doses are not out of wack for your size, the cycle is particularly good for your case to make you a bit more agressive, tren and test will take care of that. I like you choice to not use any orals, i dont think they are necessary to make great gains. keep eating and training and resting. keep us posted on your progress.
 
manny78 said:


so if all you wanna do is get big then just eat more and more and take some A-bombs...... You wanna be a fat Mofo then its your choice.....
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thank you because it is my choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I'm 6'2" 250lbs. myself and 44yrs.
I'd run the Deca for 8 weeks and the EQ for 12 weeks at your dosages.
I'm doing that and a 1000mgs of Sust with Winny the last 4-5 weeks hopefully starting the 1st week of Oct.
I don't start a cycle without everything on hand, just waiting on the EQ order to arrive.
So I'm with you man, I do it because I can.
later.
 
Hey bro, I think you will be fine. I just finished my second cycle, and it was 1 gram sust/wk and 600mg eq/wk. I weighed 237 at the beginning, and now weigh 248, 4 weeks after last sust shot. I got some acne on my back, and face, but overall sides were not bad. Good luck.
 
Being a center you need size. If you play for a DI program you know what you need to do. I do not think Eq fits in well with your goals. I weighed 225 and took 600mg of Eq a week along with 750mg of enanthate. The Eq did nothing for 7 weeks. When I replaced it with 35mg a day of dbol for the last 2 weeks I went over 245 lbs and benched 365 for 6 reps. My best ever four weeks earlir was 2 reps.

750 mg test taken in two doses a week for 10 weeks
600 mg deca 8 weeks taken in two doses
30-40 mg dbol daily in divided doses for the first 5 weeks

I cut the deca out first so you can begin clomid therapy two weeks after your last test injection. One trick I use is to resume dbol for the two weeks after the last test injection at 20mg a day upon waking up.

I think you would like this cycle, but ask some other vets what they think.

Good luck
 
gwl9dta4 said:
YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

Why try to ruin your body. Taking this ammount of ANY medication, especially anabolic steroids can have sreroius health considerations. Keep us posted on your prostate, kidneys, liver values, blood pressure, and endoctrine disturbances.
You are too young and inexperienced to do this. You have enough juice for 5 cycles at least. Get a grip. I know i may sound preachy, as i always get accused of this, but man i am trying to help you. Don't even start this cycle. Your Heart will thank you when you turn 30, Yes that's right you will not even have to wait till 40 to worry about your heart, and hell your kidneys may start to complain sooner. Remember those kidneys. Any damage to them is ALWAYS pernmanent. Symptoms may subside but the damage is there.

Take care.
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Ugh...
 
MikeyLikesJuice said:

sust @ 750mg 1-10
if you want the first two weeks at a 1000mg
eq 1-10 @ 600mg
d-bol 1-4 30-40mg ed
fina is good 5-10 at 75mg a day
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Almost exactly my cycle....

Sustanon weeks 1-10 @ 750mg/week
Test Prop weeks 11-12 @ 750mg/week
Equipoise weeks 1-10 @ 600mg/week
Dianabol weeks 1-5 @ 40mg/day
Finaplex weeks 6-12 @ 75mg/day
Liquidex weeks 1-12 @ 1mg/day

(probably front load the sust and EQ for the first week)

I can't fu*king wait to start this cycle. I love how everything works together well, and I'm looking forward to using Fina for the first time!

As far as suggesting this cycle to the big center guy who is asking about his stuff... This would shed fat at the same time putting on muscle, and it sounds like he doesn't want to lose any weight at all... even fat. I would have to agree with him that he will need more for his second cycle than most people, because of his current weight. I would bro, cut something out and find some liquidex... at 1gram you're going to bloat up like a balloon.

Goodluck with whatever you decide to do!!
 
I don't think I used that much on my second cycle... I'm on my 5th-6th now and I'm using about 1000mg's a week of different tests... and I throw in 400mgs EQ with some Winny (I just love winny... it just sounds cool).

Then again, I didn't start taking until I was 24...

I've heard Deca stays traceable in your body for quite some time... while winny doesn't stay at a detectable level in your system very long at all.

C
 
Well, I would say that your cycle sounds high, but 260 is a lot of weight. Remember that the "more is better" attitude does not always work. Sometimes, more is worse, leading only to more side effects and damage to your body. Do not up dosages just because you could handle anything less. Do it because you know that it is worth it to take more because the gains will reflect it positively. Know your body. When your gains go flat, and the only new things you see are sides, its more than you need. Why waste the good stuff? Sorry if I sound preachy. This is only what I would do in your case. Good luck and good growing!
 
Dude I was also a collegiate center and if your juicing while playing your an idiot. 1. I assume your a walk on because no scholorship player would risk the money for a chance to gain muscle. 2. your not gonna gain much muscle during the season because you cant lift like you should due to practice, games, ect. and your body is constantly being broke down. 3. If you get your ass kicked natural you will get your ass kicked while juicing. I dont care what anyone says, it doesnt matter how much shit your taking, on the football field everyone is equall. there is no substitute for natural ability.

I waited until I was finished playing football to try juice, which was last december. I have done 2 cycles and I did find out that if I did juice while playing it wouldnt have made any difference at all. I was already benching 450 and squatting 700when I was 19 years old. once you can bench 400 and squat 600, any more strength really isnt gonna ammount to a hill of beans on the field.

I am a washout now, my athletic career is over and I have discovered one thing, football doesnt mean shit. I was an all-american my senior year and you know what that has done for me? Absolutely dick! Focus on the fact that (I assume you are) you are going to school for free and that you cant play ball forever. If you wanna bodybuild of powerlift after ball then hit the juice.
 
Hardcore there is ways around that. If your getting you gear from where I think you are then they know ways around that also.
For some of the others. When have you evered seen a ripped O or D linemen?? Never. We get as big as we can, fat and muslce, to be harder to move around and stronger to move the fat people around. Granted there is a line to draw, but everyone knows their limits in the game.

Hard....you in a division 1 school or playing some juco somewhere?? Just wondering what level you was at. Also what year. I am atteneding a camp in late November and early December to get on the list for playing in Europe. If you don't make the draft if going that rought, then this is the next best thing.
 
OMG man!! what is this world coming to :confused: 1000mg test on a second cycle + tons of other shit that's asking for trouble chop it in half be careful man!!
 
Hardcore20 said:

Here is the cycle I am starting next week
week 1-10 1gram of sust a week
week 1-10 400 mg of EQ a week
week 1-10 300mg of DECA a week
week 5-10 75mg of fina EOD
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I'm not going to get into the whether you should or shouldn't debate, its your decision. I don't think your dosages are that excessive considering your size and training experience. I would make a few changes.

I don't really like sust at the end of a cycle since it takes so long to clear. Cyp, Ethanate, or prop would be better for the end.

Also in week 1 I would shoot 1500 mg. sust on M-W-F or M-T-W (500 mg. per day), to get levels up more quickly.

I would tweak the dosages of deca and eq a bit so you are using less deca alongside the fina. It looks like you may have deca in there for the water in the joints, but I would prefer 600 mg. for weeks 1-4 and then either drop it or continue at 100-200 mg. for the duration.

For weeks 1-4, you could either do say 200 mg. of eg. or just drop it during that time, and use a bit more in weeks 5-10. Fina is fine.

I would also consider stopping the test (especially if sust), deca, and eq. a week or two before stopping the fina, since sust, deca, and eq. take much longer to clear than fina.
 
by the way you should drop the deca @ week 4 and start fina @ week 6 and run it through week 12.


trev,
I didn't read your post.... same thing in not too many words
 
sorry guys I could not reply for th last day, my net was down. I do thank you guys for responding and giving you opinion.

Just to let you guys know I already bench well over 400 but only squat a little over 500 because of my knees. The reason I am taking the Deca is because of my joints and would really like to see if it makes a big difference.

I got to go to class right now talk to you guys later.
 
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