Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below 
Stryker1992
Well-known member
OMG I get shrinkage so bad when on it freaks me out at times. My ballz practically suck into my damn adbomen! It is painful at times!
My poor little ballz!
- Thread starter Stryker1992
- Start date
aceofspades
New member
mm107 said:
I totally agree with this post. I use HCG throughout my cycle and my balls never go away.
lifthard2005
New member
Stryker1992 said:
me 2 bro.....
aceofspades
New member
38nStrong said:
They come back during PCT but HCG helps things along. They are not destroyed.
sofakingdel
New member
destroyed, lol. I cant wait to see this thread post. 'aahhh my balls were DESTROYED!' on the real though, is serious ball shrinkage caused by long cycles or heavy dose cycles?
aceofspades
New member
sofakingdel said:
I was laughing to myself too
It typically happens with longer cycles and I will add in HCG for any cycle over 8 weeks but everyone has different opinions about it.
Last edited:
sofakingdel
New member
my boys are a lil tight themselves. i get some hcg so i can maitain my hanglo
aceofspades
New member
Article from Musclechemistry on PCT by Dr. SWALE
I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.
Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).
If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn't enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldnÂ’t mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.
The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex, is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM''s at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.
I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a “bridge”. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can't fool the bodyit is smarter than you are.
I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don't want that, do we?).
All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols.
I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.
Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).
If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn't enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldnÂ’t mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.
The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex, is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM''s at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.
I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a “bridge”. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can't fool the bodyit is smarter than you are.
I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don't want that, do we?).
All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols.
sofakingdel
New member
good info ace of spades
Vascular Freak
New member
You know your cycle has hit high gear when you can't peirce your sack with a blow dart! Happens after about 6 weeks.
sofakingdel
New member
hcg and a tongue juggle. Check, its on my list for my next cycletop2bottomdfw said:
Vascular Freak
New member
krishna said:
ROFL haha bro...... that is so funny that you say that. When I am rippin a cycle and my balls head north.....I get real figidy(sp?) when the chica starts headin towards ma balls...lol
O
odoyal rulez
Guest
Im glad this got posted..i was getting kind of worried about mine, because they have been crawling into my pelvis on occasion..clomid is working slowly but surely...next time i will difintely have HCG on hand
Vascular Freak
New member
My nuts have shriveled so tight that when having sex in certain positions my left nut came out of the sack and was chillin alongside my wand....no lie....I had to push it back into the sac and all was goood.
Run HCG at 500 iu's ed through slin pins for 3 weeks while running clomid at 50mg ed. After 3 weeks drop the hcg and continue the clomid for an additional 20 days the drop both. Also hit 2 pumps of aifm daily before bed to keep circulating estro down and you'll be good to go.
Run HCG at 500 iu's ed through slin pins for 3 weeks while running clomid at 50mg ed. After 3 weeks drop the hcg and continue the clomid for an additional 20 days the drop both. Also hit 2 pumps of aifm daily before bed to keep circulating estro down and you'll be good to go.
JuicedAthletics
New member
I have read two different theories on HCG use.
One was to take a shot of 1000-2000ius every 5-7 days for a month. Then take a month off and do it again.
The other theory is to take 250-500ius EOD or twice a week continuously through a cycle. I am really confused...
I know HCG hits you immediately and then again 2-3 days later. So why do we run it ED or EOD??
I am tired of having no sack. When I shave my nuts, its like trying to shave a wrinkled sack.
One was to take a shot of 1000-2000ius every 5-7 days for a month. Then take a month off and do it again.
The other theory is to take 250-500ius EOD or twice a week continuously through a cycle. I am really confused...
I know HCG hits you immediately and then again 2-3 days later. So why do we run it ED or EOD??
I am tired of having no sack. When I shave my nuts, its like trying to shave a wrinkled sack.
Stryker1992
Well-known member
Vascular Freak said:
Bro, me too!!!!
romanpiperva
New member
K, so I've had a nut that sometimes will have crept up like it never dropped with certain stomach exercises and such. So what is this? Anyone? Bueller? Not really worried as it has never hurt me or anything, but does happen. And I can move the same one if I try if that helps.
Ps - never thought so many muscle headed straight guys would talking about the secret society of "balls and shaft" lol
Similar threads
