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Machine99

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Nolvadex Question

Well I've been cruising your board for sometime and its a great board with ALOT of information and I'm glad to now be apart of it. Here is my first question, based on the study I'm going to post below 20 of tamoxifen is comparable to 150mg/day of clomiphene citrate...so does this mean that 20mg of tamoxifen would be more effective than 50-100mg of clomiphene citrate? I seem to have better results using nolvadex post-cycle than clomid and I'm wondering if I would great better results with clomid if I used 150mg of clomid...


Fertil Steril 1978 Mar;29(3):320-7 Hormonal effects of an antiestrogen, tamoxifen, in normal and oligospermic men. Vermeulen A, Comhaire F

The administration of tamoxifen, 20 mg/day for 10 days, to normal males produced a moderate increase in luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), testosterone, and estradiol levels, comparable to the effect of 150 mg of clomiphene citrate (Clomid). However, whereas Clomid produced a decrease in the LH response to LH-releasing hormone (LHRH), no such effect was seen after the administration of tamoxifen. In fact, prolonged treatment (6 weeks) with tamoxifen significantly increased the LH response to LHRL. Treatment of patients with "idiopathic" oligospermia for 6 to 9 months resulted in a significant increase in gonadotropin, testosterone, and estradiol levels. A significant increase in sperm density was observed only in subjects with oligospermia below 20 X 10(6)/ml and normal basal FSH levels. When basal FSH levels were increased or oligospermia was moderate (greater than 20 X 10(6)/ml); no effect on sperm density was seen. As sperm density increased, FSH levels decreased, suggesting an inhibin effect. Sperm motility was not improved by tamoxifen treatment. In five boys with delayed puberty, tamoxifen treatment appeared to activate the pituitary-gonadal axis and pubertal development.
 
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Hey bro. You gotta change the title on your post so it's relevant to your question. That way people who know the topic will know to look at it.

I think from what I've seen, you've gotta hit the clomid hard one time and then taper. Do a search for clomid.

Welcome!
 
Thanks bro

Yeah I ran clomid on my first cycle based on Iron Game's Clomid post. But I experienced better results using nolvadex. This could be because I shouldn't go below a dose of 150mg/day with clomid or because even though I waited the right amount of time (based on Iron Game's post) before I started clomid I didn't take into account androgen levels based on my dosages....
 
would clomid and nolva be superior to just clomid? the reason i ask is the study mentioned a decrease in lh response from clomid, while the nolva didnt show any.
 
superchicken said:
would clomid and nolva be superior to just clomid? the reason i ask is the study mentioned a decrease in lh response from clomid, while the nolva didnt show any.

I don't know why I have 500 posts...I don't know if it is because I paid to be a "platnium" member or what. they will probably change it to the right amount of posts eventually. Hey superchicken I don't see the down side to taking both post cycle. An actually nolvadex INCREASES the LH response to LHRH:

However, whereas Clomid produced a decrease in the LH response to LH-releasing hormone (LHRH), no such effect was seen after the administration of tamoxifen. In fact, prolonged treatment (6 weeks) with tamoxifen significantly increased the LH response to LHRL.
 
dankduke said:
how is this ur first post you got like 500?

Platinum members get 500 posts and some karma.

Hey Machine,

This if a really good question. I've looked into this and so far ... I don't know squat. :bawling:

I'll let you know if I come up with anything.
 
i think thats bullshit with platinum members getting 500 posts automatically. And by the way, nice name you original bastard.
 
As far as Nolvadex being better than clomid...Llewellyn has been saying that for a while.

As for 500 post...I think they do that so a new platinum member can put a kewl little picture under his name. I have to do it the "old fashion" way...:D


Just curious machine99...on your last cycle did you use arimidex until clomid therapy was finished?
 
I wish I had used arimidex/liquidex throughout the cycle and post-cycle maybe it would have helped with the acne I got post-cycle. Hey I've been Machine forever you unoriginally bastard! :finger: :)
 
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