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wesley90

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Hey all, I have been researching for about a year and its time to get ready for summer :)

Goal is to cut and put on only lean gains...

weeks 1-8
Sustanon 250 EW (If I dont get too bad sides, I will up to 500 EW)
Anavar 20mg ED

Then standard PCT

Using the anavar to increase collagen synthesis so my joints can recover faster.

Any input?
 
wesley90 said:
Hey all, I have been researching for about a year and its time to get ready for summer :)

Goal is to cut and put on only lean gains...

weeks 1-8
Sustanon 250 EW (If I dont get too bad sides, I will up to 500 EW)
Anavar 20mg ED

Then standard PCT

Using the anavar to increase collagen synthesis so my joints can recover faster.

Any input?
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First question: Do you have anything to cut down to? What are your stats? Test is great for cutting, but 250 mgs is next to nothing. You should use at least 400 mgs/wk of ent. I would go for 12 weeks. Throw in the anavar the last 6 weeks. You'll also need either nolva and/or arimidex so that you don't retain water. Do you have PCT? Clomid, etc.?
 
Makevelli is right.. we need your stats to give you an educated answer! Please at least be 21!!!
I would drop the var. Just use test for your first cycle.. see how you respond to it.
I put on 20 lbs on my first cycle of test.. and that was with just 250mgs ew!
Good luck
 
I would stick to the 250 mg a week. If it works out good then get another 16 amps and do a 500 mg a week cycle. If this is your first cycle then stick low that way you can see how you respond to test, what if you get gyno bad or acne, then what. Also keep nolva on hand. My first cycle was anadrol and deca. I had no idea what the anadrol would do, all that happened was a fat face and a lot of water that I had to work off the rest of the 12 weeks, only on deca. Then I did a 6 week sust cycle doing 250 a week then up the dosage and ran out. So if you are using a multi use vial be careful. You have all the time in the world if its your first train hard and gain a quick 20 lbs on 250 a week. I am on my third cycle and doing 250 a week for 10 weeks. I also did two weeks up front of d-bol. If it works out good then I will stick with these chems, they are great. And there is a lot of guys here that swear by sust and only use it, along with other orals. GOOD LUCK!!! how old are you?
 
anthony518 said:
I would stick to the 250 mg a week. If it works out good then get another 16 amps and do a 500 mg a week cycle. If this is your first cycle then stick low that way you can see how you respond to test, what if you get gyno bad or acne, then what. Also keep nolva on hand. My first cycle was anadrol and deca. I had no idea what the anadrol would do, all that happened was a fat face and a lot of water that I had to work off the rest of the 12 weeks, only on deca. Then I did a 6 week sust cycle doing 250 a week then up the dosage and ran out. So if you are using a multi use vial be careful. You have all the time in the world if its your first train hard and gain a quick 20 lbs on 250 a week. I am on my third cycle and doing 250 a week for 10 weeks. I also did two weeks up front of d-bol. If it works out good then I will stick with these chems, they are great. And there is a lot of guys here that swear by sust and only use it, along with other orals. GOOD LUCK!!! how old are you?
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first cycle was anadrol and deca?? holy shit man.
 
Hmm...why the ent? I been hearing that a lot and am wondering why...Also, why doesnt anyone like the anavar in there?
Thanks.
 
I would have to agree stick with test-e for first cycle.
I'm on my first cycle test-e only, with no sides except hunger/horny.
Started with 500mg week then at week 5 I went up to 750 mg getting better results, I'm at week 6.5.
Gained 20 lbs so far. Been lifting for 25 years. Now I don't know why I even fucked with PH's in the past....Good luck
P.S. What was your age?
 
Like I said didn't know what was happening, when my bench went from 295 to 315 in three weeks.
But you know it was fun.
 
Hmm...I am starting to question the enth for cutting...maybe I should just wait and leave that for putting on mass...
 
Makavelli said:
First question: Do you have anything to cut down to? What are your stats? Test is great for cutting, but 250 mgs is next to nothing. You should use at least 400 mgs/wk of ent. I would go for 12 weeks. Throw in the anavar the last 6 weeks. You'll also need either nolva and/or arimidex so that you don't retain water. Do you have PCT? Clomid, etc.?
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I disagree, plenty of people get awesome results with a first cycle consisting of noting more than 250mg of sust a week.

Why does everyone always tell newbies to run more more more. sust 250 a week for 10 weeks is a great first cycle. It will give you a good baseline, and you'll know how your body reacts.

Sust at 250 for 10 weeks with var at 30-40mg ed for about 6-8 weeks at the end would be a great first cycle.
 
wesley90 said:
Isnt that a bit much enth to start out with? Are you needing any nolva?
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I assume that question was directed at me.
Well at first 500 was fine things were progressing well. So I thought I would see what would happen at 750. So far so good it seems to have kicked things up a notch for me. I figure at my age and experience I could get away with it.
I do have nolva on hand but so far no need for it. Just enjoying the ride...
 
black sheep said:
I disagree, plenty of people get awesome results with a first cycle consisting of noting more than 250mg of sust a week.

Why does everyone always tell newbies to run more more more. sust 250 a week for 10 weeks is a great first cycle. It will give you a good baseline, and you'll know how your body reacts.

Sust at 250 for 10 weeks with var at 30-40mg ed for about 6-8 weeks at the end would be a great first cycle.
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So you would still be doing the Sust every week and just add the var for 6-8 weeks? Or Sust for 10 weeks; stop. Var for 6-8 weeks; PCT?
 
stick with one compound and see what your reaction is! You will have no idea if its the test or the anavar. At the price anavar goes for you want to know if you respond to it. I would just run test ent for ten weeks at 250mgs. Have your HCG and Clomid ready.
 
Nobody likes this cycle? Im a fan Wesley!

I would go:

Sust 250-500mg 1-10
Var at 40mg/day 6-12
PCT wk13-16

Take 20 weeks off and do it again :qt:
 
i liked your original plan .... 250mg sust with 20mg var .... only run the var right up until PCT quit the sust 4 weeks prior
 
Hehe, did my first shot today in the quad...feels kinda weird...kinda hard to explain...when should I notice the raging boners?

Also, I am cutting and only taking in 3000 cals...50/25/25...hows that sound?
Thanks.
 
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