My First Cycle Research....Feedback Plz

[usc2001]

Even though my research is not over, here is where I am at this point:

**still not sure about the tbol...reason i put it on here is b/c i hear it gives good strength gains w/o all the water retention dbol has...plus i want to keep it simple....ease into my 1st cycle**







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10 wks of test e @ 250 e5days

wks 1-4 would get 40mg tbol everyday (taken @ 5 (?) mg pills throughout the day)

hcg: at wk 6 begin 500ius/day for 10 days, coupled with 20mgs of nolva per day.

week 10: last week of test e

week 11, 12: tbol only (tbol=8 hrs 1/2 life)

week 13 begin pct

**plz let me know if my time tables are right re: when PCT begins***

PCT:

Day 1 Clomid 100mg + nolva 60mg
days 2-11 Clomid 50mg + nolva 20mg
days 12-21 Clomid 50mg *OR* nolva 20mg

nolva on hand for gyno

I'd use 60-80mg on day 1, followed by 40mg ed until signs disappear( ichy nips and/or puffyness, tenderness) , then consider 20mg eod for rest of cycle.

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Thats it

any feedback regarding the cycle, gains to be expected, things i may want to tweak regarding Cycle/PCT, etc appreciated...


usc

 

[pentatonic]

Below is what I would do:

I'd drop the Tbol and run Test E. 10 weeks at somewhere between 400-500/wk. You'll see results from 250mg/week though if you want to run at a lower dose.

Start using Nolva 20mg/day at first sign of itchy and/or sore nips, may want to run a few days of 40 mg/day until signs go away then go back to 20mg/day.

Run Jenetic's PCT #1

On average, begin PCT approximately 5-10 days after your last injection regardless of longer acting esters. Begin PCT 1-3 days after your last injection and/or intake when using short acting esters.

PCT Protocol(s):

1.) 1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

 

[usc2001]

I have been told to drop the tbol from a few others as well....

please let me know why I should/should not use HGC? I have asked this question before and I still get yes and no answers

I want to be fully prepared, but that seems difficult when I get conflicting information regarding proper PCT

here are some replies I have received so far:

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_482079/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

any help appreciated

thanks

usc

 

[pentatonic]

Less sides to deal with using HCG as compared to Clomid, the Clomid/Nolva combination you had listed will work too. No need of using 60mg of Nolva the first day and then dropping dosage there after, just use 20mg Nolva throughout PCT.
I just listed what I would do in previous post, nothing set in stone. I would use HCG/Nolva for PCT but Clomid/Nolva is fine too.

 

[Little B]

just go test only for first cycle, as far as hcg, as pentatonic said 1000 iu 3x a week for first 3 weeks pct. after that you can use both nolva and clomid if you got em both for next 3 weeks some folks have bad sides with clomid i didnt, but if you do, you can drop it and just stick with nolva. i wouldnt use hcg during cycle unless you really need it

 

[usc2001]

just go test only for first cycle, as far as hcg, as pentatonic said 1000 iu 3x a week for first 3 weeks pct. after that you can use both nolva and clomid if you got em both for next 3 weeks some folks have bad sides with clomid i didnt, but if you do, you can drop it and just stick with nolva. i wouldnt use hcg during cycle unless you really need it

i was under the impression that hgc was used primarily during the cycle (mid and at the end) to "prep" your boys for a better, quicker recovery....and to help your sys get back to normal more easily, natural test-wise...