My Dr. is sending me to a endocrinologist

[Vicious cycle]

I'm monthes post cycle now. My natural test levels haven't come back, my Dr. (who doesn't know that I use AAS one or twice a year) wants to send me to a endocrinologist. At what point do I tell someone whats going on and are these guys usually for or against what we do?

 

[gilly6993]

it doesn't matter if they're for or against it....they're their to treat you and if it's as problem you should go somewhere else....I would tell the endo doc your history

 

[Spidey]

it doesn't matter if they're for or against it....they're their to treat you and if it's as problem you should go somewhere else....I would tell the endo doc your history

I used to advise the same but I have re-thought my position on that.

If you tell your doctor, he/she will write it in your medical record. Insurance companies can refuse to pay for treatment and prospective employers can refuse to hire you based on those records. My best friend recently got a job at Bayer Pharmaceuticals. They requested and got his medical records and if "steroid abuse" had been in there, do you think he would have gotten the job, especially since he denied ever using illegal drugs on the application? I don't think so. I think it is a bad idea to tell your doc unless you have a special relationship with him and he agrees not to put it in your medical records.

 

[Vicious cycle]

OK...That's one for and one against. Anymore? Do you think it's something I can correct on my own with a round of Hcg and clomid?

 

[Ashamed]

I thought medical records were classified? Or is it different in America? I was under the impression that my medical record was between me and my doctor and no-one else.

 

[JuicePimp]

Medical records are private between you and your doctor, but you can waive the priviledge. You have probably already done this without realizing it when you authorized them to bill the insurance company, etc. If your employer wants your medical records, they will ask you to sign a waiver, sure you can refuse, but how will that look?

You can count me in the against category. Let him run bloodwork and figure out what he thinks is the issue. You can be involved, give input on the treatment, etc. You dont have to just take him at his word, but no reason to give away the farm.

 

[rvd_brock]

With the new HIPPA laws it is illegal for anyone other than a doctor, or perhaps a pharmacy to look at anyone's medical files without SIGNED WRITTEN CONSENT from the patient. I work in a pharmaceutical company, so we deal w/ this alot. And Spidey, your friend would have HAD to sign such a release before his employer could have even touched his medical files.

 

[Spidey]

With the new HIPPA laws it is illegal for anyone other than a doctor, or perhaps a pharmacy to look at anyone's medical files without SIGNED WRITTEN CONSENT from the patient. I work in a pharmaceutical company, so we deal w/ this alot. And Spidey, your friend would have HAD to sign such a release before his employer could have even touched his medical files.

Oh, absolutely. Of course, if he didn't sign, it automatically disqualified him from getting the job.....

 

[canadianhitman]

DO NOT TELL THE DOCTOR!!! Just shurg when he asks if you've taken any medications that could have brought on your low test levels. No matter how hard he tries to cajole you into admitting steroid use, DENY...DENY...DENY! He will have to treat you anyways, and there's a good chance that your insurance will cover everything (as your low test levels will be written down as being from NATURAL causes). And if your test levels don't return to normal...congrats...you get a testosterone script for HRT for life.

 

[DANABOLIC55]

i have been through the EXACT same thing. either don't go or tell him that you used androstenedione heavily. if you don't, he will try to send you for an mri on your pituitary gland to see if you have a pituitary tumor - TRUST ME. my ordeal went on for months until I finally admitted to androgenic use. I thought i'd be slick to see if i could score HRT.

good luck

 

[Vicious cycle]

i have been through the EXACT same thing. either don't go or tell him that you used androstenedione heavily. if you don't, he will try to send you for an mri on your pituitary gland to see if you have a pituitary tumor - TRUST ME. my ordeal went on for months until I finally admitted to androgenic use. I thought i'd be slick to see if i could score HRT.

good luck

This is what I'm worried about. That this thing will drag on forever. I don't think not going is an option...I have to do something to get my levels back up.

BTW...what was your outcome???

 

[JerseyDevil]

i have a local doc that will help any bro's in the Philly/NJ area. he will not write you scripts for AAS but will monitor you blood work and possibly help with side affects (if you have them) Nothing gets written in the medical records.

 

[buckwheat1]

Tell him that you were taking prohormones

 

[DocRocko]

Docs are indifferernt

See the endocrinologist ! Early treatment is better than late treatment. The endocrine system is highly complex and endocrinology is one of he most difficult subjects to comprehend. Divulge ALL.

 

[Vicious cycle]

Thanks for all the responses. Your opinions are helpful.

 

[canadianhitman]

You're getting bad advice if anyone tells you to admit to AAS use...and even prohormones may be sketchy. Insurance companies are always looking for a reason to deny claims...believe me, they'll screw you somewhere down the road if there's anything they can use against you in your medical records. The doc doesn't need to know, because the treatment for naturally occuring low test levels and supressed low testosterone levels is the same. So maybe you have to take an extra test or two....if your insurance is paying for it, who cares? It's an hour or two out of your life.

 

[majutsu]

When you see a doctor in the u.s. you sign a waiver to release information so the claim can be submitted to an insurance company's IRO (Independent Review Organization) or the like. Most doctor's will not see you without confirmation of insurance (precertification of treatment, which often includes even a detailed treatment plan) and payment of any copays due up front. So when you get seen by a physician, you have in essence released your rights to your medical info's privacy, and after that brief second, it's released all the time at will, to employers, feds, insurance companies, and even pharmaceutical companies for statistical purposes. Ashamed you make me laugh (either you're really stupid or really sardonic ). Yes, we are one of the few countries in the west where personal enhancement with AAS is illegal, one of the last countries on earth (besides south africa) to abolish formal slavery, and one of the last western countries to give voting and property rights to women. Property owning and insurance access is still restricted to some sexual preferences in most states (excepting hawaii and others) . . . I love america and believe in our founding fathers and our constitution, but the forces of puritanism and amerikka are on the prowl to constantly destroy the land of freedom that america was intended to be . . .

 

[The_Eviscerator]

I used to advise the same but I have re-thought my position on that.

If you tell your doctor, he/she will write it in your medical record. Insurance companies can refuse to pay for treatment and prospective employers can refuse to hire you based on those records. My best friend recently got a job at Bayer Pharmaceuticals. They requested and got his medical records and if "steroid abuse" had been in there, do you think he would have gotten the job, especially since he denied ever using illegal drugs on the application? I don't think so. I think it is a bad idea to tell your doc unless you have a special relationship with him and he agrees not to put it in your medical records.

I agree... don't tell the doctor shit unless he is cool and does not put it in your records.

 

[kiloamp]

I was going to say that this would fall under 'The Americans with Disabilities Act.' And that refusal of the coverage and employment would be considered discrimination. Well, I read through and found section 510 which gives an employer / insurance company a loophole. Of course, if it is a rehabiliation program, that's a different story. Either way, I'd go with the prohormone excuse.

http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/ada/pubs/ada.txt

SEC. 510. ILLEGAL USE OF DRUGS.
(a) In General.--For purposes of this Act, the term "individual with a
disability" does not include an individual who is currently engaging in the
illegal use of drugs, when the covered entity acts on the basis of such use.
(b) Rules of Construction.--Nothing in subsection (a) shall be construed to
exclude as an individual with a disability an individual who--
(1) has successfully completed a supervised drug rehabilitation program
and is no longer engaging in the illegal use of drugs, or has otherwise
been rehabilitated successfully and is no longer engaging in such use;
(2) is participating in a supervised rehabilitation program and is no
longer engaging in such use; or
(3) is erroneously regarded as engaging in such use, but is not
engaging in such use;
except that it shall not be a violation of this Act for a covered entity to
adopt or administer reasonable policies or procedures, including but not
limited to drug testing, designed to ensure that an individual described in
paragraph (1) or (2) is no longer engaging in the illegal use of drugs;
however, nothing in this section shall be construed to encourage, prohibit,
restrict, or authorize the conducting of testing for the illegal use of
drugs.
(c) Health and Other Services.--Notwithstanding subsection (a) and section
511(b)(3), an individual shall not be denied health services, or services
provided in connection with drug rehabilitation, on the basis of the current
illegal use of drugs if the individual is otherwise entitled to such
services.
(d) Definition of Illegal use of drugs.--
(1) In general.--The term "illegal use of drugs" means the use of
drugs, the possession or distribution of which is unlawful under the
Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812). Such term does not include the
use of a drug taken under supervision by a licensed health care
professional, or other uses authorized by the Controlled Substances Act
or other provisions of Federal law.
(2) Drugs.--The term "drug" means a controlled substance, as defined in
schedules I through V of section 202 of the Controlled Substances Act.

 

[Austrian]

US law ends at its borders. you could admit to using AAS when you were on vacation overseas.

 

[Spidey]

US law ends at its borders. you could admit to using AAS when you were on vacation overseas.

We are not talking about the risk of prosecution here. The doc could not call the authorities because of docter-patient privilige. Telling your doc you use AS will get it put in your PERMANENT medical records. Insurance companies are virtually certain to refuse covering your expenses connected with the use of illegal drugs. Future employers may get a look at it and refuse to hire you based on your past history of DRUG ABUSE. It is simply a bad idea.

Prohormones are currently completely legal in the USA so there wouldn't be any of those negative ramifications. Insurance companies can not refuse to cover you based on your use of OTC drugs (even accidental overdoses); think ASPIRIN or TYLENOL. Thousands of accidental overdoses of each every year and the insurence companies have to pay out.

 

[JerseyDevil]

i have a local doc that will help any bro's in the Philly/NJ area. he will not write you scripts for AAS but will monitor you blood work and possibly help with side affects (if you have them) Nothing gets written in the medical records.

Ive been getting alot of PM's and e-mails on this... Once again, the Dr will not prescribe you steriods but will work with you on blood work and side effects. GET JUICE ON YOUR OWN.