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hammertime30
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pudding said:
Yes, ask him to throw in a little tren
blut wump
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Give some thought to dosage and shot-intervals. From what I've read, a standard HRT could have him wanting to dose you every three weeks which for a cyp ester would be two half-life periods and lead to unreasonable fluctuations in test levels.
Tell him that you're a big guy and need a bit more than whatever he suggests.
Tell him that you're a big guy and need a bit more than whatever he suggests.
mrplunkey
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You may be able to sell him on the idea of 200-250 mg/week of Test Cyponate. That's a bit above pure "HRT", but even that dose along with 0.5 mg of Armidex EoD would work. Ideally... ask him for 2-4 IU's of HGH per day as well. If you do 2 IU's at first each moring (5 days on, 2 days off) along with the test cyponate it will have very synergistic effects. Here's what I'd consider asking him about:
4 weeks of HGH at 2 IU's day (AM injections, 5 days on, 2 days off, no food 1-2 hours before or after shot). Then, once you are comfortable with the HGH, go with:
10 weeks:
250 mg Test Cyponate /week (one injection per week)
2 IU's HGH AM / 2 IU's HGH PM (5 days on, 2 off)
0.5 mg Arimidex EoD
10 days after your last testosterone shot, do 1,000 units of HCG every day for 10 days while continuing to take the Arimidex. After your last HCG shot, count-off four weeks and repeat the cycle. During that four week period, drop you HGH back to 2 IU's per day as well.
This was pretty much my first cycle and I loved it. A full-blown AAS user will tell you it's too light and an HRT purist will tell you it's too heavy -- which means its probably about right
If it's straight Cyponate ("Depo Test"), you can probably do 1x/week injections. If it's a test blend, you may want to go to 2x week injections. Please don't let him try to do 1 injection every 2 or 3 weeks -- even with Cyponate you'll be a roller-coaster.
You may have some aversion to needles, but about week 5-6 that passes. I've had a lifelong massive phobia of needles (37 years old now) -- even small ones. Now, I snicker about it every time I do my stick.
4 weeks of HGH at 2 IU's day (AM injections, 5 days on, 2 days off, no food 1-2 hours before or after shot). Then, once you are comfortable with the HGH, go with:
10 weeks:
250 mg Test Cyponate /week (one injection per week)
2 IU's HGH AM / 2 IU's HGH PM (5 days on, 2 off)
0.5 mg Arimidex EoD
10 days after your last testosterone shot, do 1,000 units of HCG every day for 10 days while continuing to take the Arimidex. After your last HCG shot, count-off four weeks and repeat the cycle. During that four week period, drop you HGH back to 2 IU's per day as well.
This was pretty much my first cycle and I loved it. A full-blown AAS user will tell you it's too light and an HRT purist will tell you it's too heavy -- which means its probably about right
If it's straight Cyponate ("Depo Test"), you can probably do 1x/week injections. If it's a test blend, you may want to go to 2x week injections. Please don't let him try to do 1 injection every 2 or 3 weeks -- even with Cyponate you'll be a roller-coaster.
You may have some aversion to needles, but about week 5-6 that passes. I've had a lifelong massive phobia of needles (37 years old now) -- even small ones. Now, I snicker about it every time I do my stick.
mrplunkey
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Oh... and get one or two of those cycles under your belt and we can coach you on how to describe your joint pain (read: Doc, gimmie some deca!). Then of course, you'd want some winstrol to offset some of the deca sides...
I did one of those cycles too and absolutly loved it -- again... ALL in the name of HRT. It was perfectly legal and I had prescriptions for every single compount I took. I'd do that same program again, but Winny was hard on my hair... I need a non-winny hardener!
I did one of those cycles too and absolutly loved it -- again... ALL in the name of HRT. It was perfectly legal and I had prescriptions for every single compount I took. I'd do that same program again, but Winny was hard on my hair... I need a non-winny hardener!
mrplunkey
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Don't do that!!! By the third injection, you'll have less pain and better placement if you do it yourself. Glute shots in the upper/outer ass are just plain easy. I personally think some of the injection pain we're trained to fear comes from the shooter not getting feedback as they stick and inject.pudding said:
Also, you then become the master of your own injection frequency. For my next HRT "cycle", I'm going to hit the guy up for E3D injections (I do Sun/Thursday now). That's an example of how you walk the guy up... Let's say you were doing 250 mgs of test per week in two splits of 125 each. Well, propose to go 150 e3d's next... looks like a 50 mg/week bump, but you also pick-up an extra day since you've moved from a 7 day routine to a 6 day one ;-)
blut wump
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You'll have to negotiate your needs. It's likely that the doc will have little experience of someone wanting to have an active part in determining their cycle, errm therapy and will likely listen to any reasonable argument that you can put. He might even have not a lot of experience of male hrt and be on this board right now trying to read up about it. I'm sure it'll help if you can put a big hole in his first 'offer' of 100 mg eow.
pudding said:
Alot of good responses in this thread.
I talked to an Endocrinologist and she prescribes 200MG Test Cypionate every EOW for HRT with the subject having a "Low" test count.....not low average........LOW.
Basically, it all depends on the Endocrinologist whether they will even listen to your arguments over what you think you should be getting and at what dose. Some docs will not let you have any input on what they prescribe, but if you complain about "fluctuating test levels and not feeling a steady balanced feeling" you might be able to influence them in to allowing 200MG ew. You have to realize they work in the patient-doctor relationship dynamic. They are not trained to view you as an equal, because you don't have the expertise they do.....all you can do is complain and tell them what you feel and they will proceed as they see fit. You have to understand the game you are playing before you can master it.
DIV
pudding
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Good answerDIVISION said:Alot of good responses in this thread.
I talked to an Endocrinologist and she prescribes 200MG Test Cypionate every EOW for HRT with the subject having a "Low" test count.....not low average........LOW.
Basically, it all depends on the Endocrinologist whether they will even listen to your arguments over what you think you should be getting and at what dose. Some docs will not let you have any input on what they prescribe, but if you complain about "fluctuating test levels and not feeling a steady balanced feeling" you might be able to influence them in to allowing 200MG ew. You have to realize they work in the patient-doctor relationship dynamic. They are not trained to view you as an equal, because you don't have the expertise they do.....all you can do is complain and tell them what you feel and they will proceed as they see fit. You have to understand the game you are playing before you can master it.
DIV
mrplunkey
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Div makes a great point. Doctors are trained to respond to symtoms, not instructions. You can't say "gimmie some deca biatch", but you can say "you know, my joints sure ache these days and it seems to be IN the joint, not in the surrounding connective tissues. Is there anything you could add to that Cyponate to make my joints feel better?"DIVISION said:Alot of good responses in this thread.
I talked to an Endocrinologist and she prescribes 200MG Test Cypionate every EOW for HRT with the subject having a "Low" test count.....not low average........LOW.
Basically, it all depends on the Endocrinologist whether they will even listen to your arguments over what you think you should be getting and at what dose. Some docs will not let you have any input on what they prescribe, but if you complain about "fluctuating test levels and not feeling a steady balanced feeling" you might be able to influence them in to allowing 200MG ew. You have to realize they work in the patient-doctor relationship dynamic. They are not trained to view you as an equal, because you don't have the expertise they do.....all you can do is complain and tell them what you feel and they will proceed as they see fit. You have to understand the game you are playing before you can master it.
DIV
To get more test, key phrases include "loss of libido", "less energy", "sorer muscles faster that stay sore longer", "fat accumulation in wierd, new places (i.e. waisteline)"... my doc even asked about testicular atrophy, but I was scared to say "yes" in the name of getting more test because I figured he might be screening to see if I was juicing.
mrplunkey said:
That doesn't matter, PlunkPet...
Any endocrinologist worth his pedigree with check your nuts during your initial exam, it's part of the process of diagnosis. Testicular atrophy is a secondary symptom of a larger problem, therefore they will ALWAYS check your sac for shrinkage and thus it's unavoidable. The endocrinologist as part of his hypocratic oath can only ask you if you've ever done Anabolic Steroids, but can proceed based on your answer, not on his personal suspicions. If you say you've never done an AAS in your life, he has to go with that and proceed on to the next step.
DIV
mrplunkey
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That's good to know! I just need to find a couple more symptoms so I can get my test bumped-up another notch!DIVISION said:That doesn't matter, PlunkPet...
Any endocrinologist worth his pedigree with check your nuts during your initial exam, it's part of the process of diagnosis. Testicular atrophy is a secondary symptom of a larger problem, therefore they will ALWAYS check your sac for shrinkage and thus it's unavoidable. The endocrinologist as part of his hypocratic oath can only ask you if you've ever done Anabolic Steroids, but can proceed based on your answer, not on his personal suspicions. If you say you've never done an AAS in your life, he has to go with that and proceed on to the next step.
DIV
What are some good ailments that will lead him to the undeniable conclusion that I need some anavar?
mrplunkey said:
There is no magical "ailment" that will lead him to conclude that you need your anavar FIX!
It's not that simple......different Endocrinologists treat symptoms differently.
All you can do is complain of muscle weakness and lack of stamina.....
DIV
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