My Dbol only cutting cycle.

[Viroid]

I have a few questions for you guys. First off, Im fat. I weigh 215, but have some decent muscle under the fat. I look somewhat like a powerlifter with love handles. I have been reading about dbol + femera or arimidex and it makes total sense to me. Im poor and i dont want to inject. Hence, i am dead set on doing this type of cycle for 8 weeks followed by PCT nolva or clomid. My diet and training are in check so I am ready to go. Now on to my questions.

This being my first cycle what do you guys think would be the optimal dose of dbol? 20mgs or higher?

And which would be a better anti-aromatase? femera or arimidex? And at what dose/days should I be taking it?

Thanks yall and happy holidays!!!

 

[swordfish151]

dbol as a cutter??? If your already over weight your going to blow up like a balloon with dbol......how tall are you?

 

[turbogreek]

hm...well...i've never seen the words dbol and cutting in the same sentance before. anybody else?

how fat are you? how tall are you? you may wanna look at other alternatives...shedding body fat % first and then maybe some dbol. maybe a quick clen/T3 cycle first and a lot of cardio.

 

[Makavelli]

I have a few questions for you guys. First off, Im fat. I weigh 215, but have some decent muscle under the fat. I look somewhat like a powerlifter with love handles. I have been reading about dbol + femera or arimidex and it makes total sense to me. Im poor and i dont want to inject. Hence, i am dead set on doing this type of cycle for 8 weeks followed by PCT nolva or clomid. My diet and training are in check so I am ready to go. Now on to my questions.

This being my first cycle what do you guys think would be the optimal dose of dbol? 20mgs or higher?

And which would be a better anti-aromatase? femera or arimidex? And at what dose/days should I be taking it?

Thanks yall and happy holidays!!!

Forget the D-Bol I would diet until you're down to around 8-10% bodyfat and the use the D-Bol. D-Bol can be used as a cutter, but it works much better if you're already lean.

 

[gab9681]

Yeah, i wouldn't go with DBol to cut man. And if cost is a factor, most injectables are actually cheaper than orals. Drop some fat and hit the weights and diet, and then consider running a cycle.

 

[swordfish151]

before you go using clen...research...and before you use T3 do some seriouse research..i think in your case, diet needs to be in check to get your BF down before you hit any kind of AAS...especially DBOL!

 

[biggeek]

I disagree with most of the posts on here.. where is GREGORY when you need him.. my fellow Z fan.. anyway.. I believe you can cut.. bulk.. LBM.. fly.. walk on water.. etc.. ha ha.. on any AAS.. it's not the drug that makes the huge difference.. I mean yeah.. dbol can bloat.. the bloat can be greatly minimized with AI's (femara, arimidex) but once your done with the cycle.. all the water is gonna fade out and your gonna lose the bloat.. and you've still have some quality muscle gains from the dbol.. and any increase in muscle mass.. is an increase in metabolism which means during and post cycle it's going to be easier to lose weight.. now i somewhat agree that a dbol only cycle isn't the BEST for cutting.. now dbol/var/clen/t3/trex/yes.. not all at once but cycled and all.. now THAT'S a cutter.. lol.. but if your diet is in check.. doing some cardio.. lifting good.. taking an AI.. you can cut on dbol.. why not?

 

[boston basher]

Yeah I agree first diet "down" and once ur diet is clean and youve dropped some lbs use the dbol.

 

[swordfish151]

I disagree with most of the posts on here.. where is GREGORY when you need him.. my fellow Z fan.. anyway.. I believe you can cut.. bulk.. LBM.. fly.. walk on water.. etc.. ha ha.. on any AAS.. it's not the drug that makes the huge difference.. I mean yeah.. dbol can bloat.. the bloat can be greatly minimized with AI's (femara, arimidex) but once your done with the cycle.. all the water is gonna fade out and your gonna lose the bloat.. and you've still have some quality muscle gains from the dbol.. and any increase in muscle mass.. is an increase in metabolism which means during and post cycle it's going to be easier to lose weight.. now i somewhat agree that a dbol only cycle isn't the BEST for cutting.. now dbol/var/clen/t3/trex/yes.. not all at once but cycled and all.. now THAT'S a cutter.. lol.. but if your diet is in check.. doing some cardio.. lifting good.. taking an AI.. you can cut on dbol.. why not?

this guy is pretty big already though bro, and depending on what is BF is, i wouldnt recommend starting off with DBOL as a cutter.....i agree with you on the rest, but as far as being his first time( "This being my first cycle") and already being "fat" i would take another avenue.

 

[biggeek]

this guy is pretty big already though bro, and depending on what is BF is, i wouldnt recommend starting off with DBOL as a cutter.....i agree with you on the rest, but as far as being his first time( "This being my first cycle") and already being "fat" i would take another avenue.

Agreed.. but just trying to clear up the misconception that dbol is ONLY for bulking.. it's not.. with a good t3/clen cycle.. you may not gain much in water or weight at all.. but the dbol will definatly be enough to counteract the t3's catabolic nature.. I was pretty overweight when I started back into bodybuilding.. about 22% BF and 177lbs.. i'm now about 17%bf and 183lbs.. using var/CEE/t3/trex/YES right now.. killer combo.. anyway.. good luck man

 

[psychedout]

Dbol + anit-e = a great cutting cycle. It's called poor mans anavar.

You can use any aromatizing gear for cutting as long as you use an anti-e.

There is only ONE drug out there that is strictly a bulking drug. That is nandrolone. Why? Because it promotes intramuscular fat storage.

Dbol, Test, EQ, Tren, Winny, Var, Drol, Halo, Masteron can all be used just fine for cutting.

 

[silverbackn]

Since you are "dead set", go ahead and do what you are going to. We are all trying to help you. I think if you aren't mentally strong enough to hit yourself with a needle you aren't ready for the powerful mental effects of being on juice. We are all speaking from experience, you are just wanting to hastily morph your body. It takes all the elements of bodybuilding to get there. Your first cycle will be your best, don't do a cycle to lose weight as your first. You're going to do what you want, but you should listen to the knowledgeable people on here who have experience. There are much better ways to go about this.

 

[Viroid]

I disagree with most of the posts on here.. where is GREGORY when you need him.. my fellow Z fan.. anyway.. I believe you can cut.. bulk.. LBM.. fly.. walk on water.. etc.. ha ha.. on any AAS.. it's not the drug that makes the huge difference.. I mean yeah.. dbol can bloat.. the bloat can be greatly minimized with AI's (femara, arimidex) but once your done with the cycle.. all the water is gonna fade out and your gonna lose the bloat.. and you've still have some quality muscle gains from the dbol.. and any increase in muscle mass.. is an increase in metabolism which means during and post cycle it's going to be easier to lose weight.. now i somewhat agree that a dbol only cycle isn't the BEST for cutting.. now dbol/var/clen/t3/trex/yes.. not all at once but cycled and all.. now THAT'S a cutter.. lol.. but if your diet is in check.. doing some cardio.. lifting good.. taking an AI.. you can cut on dbol.. why not?

THANK YOU!

I will be running clen and t3 throughout. I just want to keep and maybe increase my LBM. Fat is burned in the mitochondria of muscle. Any aas will help me keep or increase my muscle mass. Making it easier and quicker to burn off the fat.

Im not a lard ass. I figure my bf to be around 20%. Thats what it was 3 years ago and i am at the same body weight and look the same in the mirror. Im 6ft tall.

Can someone with experience answer my two questions, please?

 

[biggeek]

Arimidex.. Femara may be too strong for just a dbol cycle.. if you were running high doses of test.. i might change my mind.. plus i've heard bad things about femara here and there.. i've used arimidex.. i would say it's technically different for everyone.. but .5mg eod... or .25mg ed is good.. you don't want to completely suppress estro just lower it to normal or below normal levels.. too much supression and you would cause a WHOLE host of other problems.. and arimidex is that strong.. trust me.. been there done that.. but start at .5mg eod.. see how you feel.. if you feel like you are bloating up from water and high estro.. bump up the dosage or go ed.. maybe some HCG towards the end of the cycle would help.. and clomid or nolva.. or both.. i usually just use HCG and nolva.. regardless of what I ran.. just a safe practice.. but good luck man.. just remember.. and i'm having a hard time with this.. i was in the SAME boat as you.. same bodyfat % and everything.. it all comes down to diet..

P.S.. look up some of my threads on T3.. good some good info about running low doses instead of shutting you down and how i've cycled it.. anyway.. good luck man

 

[Viroid]

Since you are "dead set", go ahead and do what you are going to. We are all trying to help you. I think if you aren't mentally strong enough to hit yourself with a needle you aren't ready for the powerful mental effects of being on juice. We are all speaking from experience, you are just wanting to hastily morph your body. It takes all the elements of bodybuilding to get there. Your first cycle will be your best, don't do a cycle to lose weight as your first. You're going to do what you want, but you should listen to the knowledgeable people on here who have experience. There are much better ways to go about this.

Thanks man. I know what you are saying. Im not a newbie.

Its not that im not "mentally strong enough" when it comes to injecting. I work in a field where I see blood, guts, vomit, incotinance and death on a pretty much daily basis. Ive stuck hundreds of people with pins. I like to think id be mentally strong enough to inject a needle in MY ass/thigh. The reason I dont want to inject is because I cant find it locally and I dont feel safe ordering injectables.

 

[swordfish151]

I dont know bro, but its your call...good luck and post up when you finish your cycle with pics.

 

[Apexx]

I disagree with most of the posts on here.. where is GREGORY when you need him.. my fellow Z fan.. anyway.. I believe you can cut.. bulk.. LBM.. fly.. walk on water.. etc.. ha ha.. on any AAS.. it's not the drug that makes the huge difference.. I mean yeah.. dbol can bloat.. the bloat can be greatly minimized with AI's (femara, arimidex) but once your done with the cycle.. all the water is gonna fade out and your gonna lose the bloat.. and you've still have some quality muscle gains from the dbol.. and any increase in muscle mass.. is an increase in metabolism which means during and post cycle it's going to be easier to lose weight.. now i somewhat agree that a dbol only cycle isn't the BEST for cutting.. now dbol/var/clen/t3/trex/yes.. not all at once but cycled and all.. now THAT'S a cutter.. lol.. but if your diet is in check.. doing some cardio.. lifting good.. taking an AI.. you can cut on dbol.. why not?

I agree with biggeek, although dbol may not be the best choice for a cutter it can still be used. It's all about the diet.

 

[Fastlane]

I use dbol to cut......

I also fix my car with a fork!

 

[swordfish151]

I use dbol to cut......

I also fix my car with a fork!

ha ha ha...so how did your ride turn out?

 

[wootoom]

I disagree with most of the posts on here.. where is GREGORY when you need him.. my fellow Z fan.. anyway.. I believe you can cut.. bulk.. LBM.. fly.. walk on water.. etc.. ha ha.. on any AAS.. it's not the drug that makes the huge difference.. I mean yeah.. dbol can bloat.. the bloat can be greatly minimized with AI's (femara, arimidex) but once your done with the cycle.. all the water is gonna fade out and your gonna lose the bloat.. and you've still have some quality muscle gains from the dbol.. and any increase in muscle mass.. is an increase in metabolism which means during and post cycle it's going to be easier to lose weight.. now i somewhat agree that a dbol only cycle isn't the BEST for cutting.. now dbol/var/clen/t3/trex/yes.. not all at once but cycled and all.. now THAT'S a cutter.. lol.. but if your diet is in check.. doing some cardio.. lifting good.. taking an AI.. you can cut on dbol.. why not?

i totally agree with you bro. you can use any drug to cut. imo

 

[oxymoron]

THANK YOU!

I will be running clen and t3 throughout.

Didn't you say you were running an 8 week cycle. First does your liver want you to be running Dbol for 8 weeks? I betcha it doesn't.
And second, T3 should be cycled through your overall cycle. Don't take any chances with your thyroid because you trying to lose fat. And taper of course.

 

[Paulo]

I think its a cool challenge.

8 weeks is not going to massacre your liver, given that its in good working order currently. taking a small dose of nolvadex along with the adex would help increase the positive estrogens in the liver and such. Seems to have a positive impact on HDL/LDL ratios as well.

 

[Apexx]

I use dbol to cut......

I also fix my car with a fork!

There are a lot of things on my car that I could fix with just a fork. Like I said earlier, it may not be the best way to go, but it will get the job done.

Different compounds have different characteristics, but that doesn't define that compounds only purpose. What is the purpose of a cutting cycle???
To spare muscle while dropping body fat. Dbol will without a doubt do that.
You will most likely experience at least some bloat do to the water retention, however it's all about the end result. After the cycle is over, the bloat will go away, the muscle will be spared, and the bf will be lowered.

 

[swordfish151]

There are a lot of things on my car that I could fix with just a fork. Like I said earlier, it may not be the best way to go, but it will get the job done.

Different compounds have different characteristics, but that doesn't define that compounds only purpose. What is the purpose of a cutting cycle???
To spare muscle while dropping body fat. Dbol will without a doubt do that.
You will most likely experience at least some bloat do to the water retention, however it's all about the end result. After the cycle is over, the bloat will go away, the muscle will be spared, and the bf will be lowered.

Would you recommend that as someones first cycle though?

 

[Apexx]

Would you recommend that as someones first cycle though?

I wouldn't recommend anything other than test for a first cycle, but that's not
the point I was arguing.

 

[swordfish151]

I wouldn't recommend anything other than test for a first cycle, but that's not
the point I was arguing.

yes your right. point taken.

 

[needsize]

the ONLY role of the steroid during cutting is to maintain mass, to that effect dbol is a great choice as it is very anabolic, which is great for avoiding catabolism. But the first time your body sees a steroid, you will make gains that you will never again be able to duplicate, so dont waste it on a cutter, make your first cycle a bulker so you can gain that 20+lbs

 

[biggeek]

the ONLY role of the steroid during cutting is to maintain mass, to that effect dbol is a great choice as it is very anabolic, which is great for avoiding catabolism. But the first time your body sees a steroid, you will make gains that you will never again be able to duplicate, so dont waste it on a cutter, make your first cycle a bulker so you can gain that 20+lbs

A+ advice.. i mean.. look at this guys avatar.. you know he means business.. lol..

 

[needsize]

A+ advice.. i mean.. look at this guys avatar.. you know he means business.. lol..

thanks, it really boils down to cost, if you can afford var, then by all means, use it instead. But even cheap var is still way more expensive than dbol, and at the end of the cutter you will still look the same

 

[dr0832]

not if you get powder. Then its extremely cheap.

 

[georgie24]

the ONLY role of the steroid during cutting is to maintain mass, to that effect dbol is a great choice as it is very anabolic, which is great for avoiding catabolism. But the first time your body sees a steroid, you will make gains that you will never again be able to duplicate, so dont waste it on a cutter, make your first cycle a bulker so you can gain that 20+lbs

great advice.. take it from me too my first 3 cycles where " cutters" if i had the chance to star over fresh i would of definetly BULKED the fuck up for 3 cycles then cut, i could of added 50-60 pounds easy as im an endo, then do a crazy ass shred cycles.

 

[VictorBR]

You can't choose whatever drug to cut . It is not that simple .

Yes , Dbol is very anti catabolic and would spare muscle when used in a low calorie diet . It could be usefull . The whole point is to maintain muscle while dropping bodyfat and I am sure dbol would work in this situtation .

BUT , It is NOT , I repeat it is NOT a WISE idea to use COMPOUNDS that easily convert to ESTROGEN when cutting , so it safer to stay away from TEST , DBOL , D-ROL , etc...

Estrogen can be your worst enemy . It can make you hold water ( so , you are making progress but you can't see it ) , it can make you GAIN FAT ( yes it CAN ) , it can make you HOLD ON to your own bodyFAT instead of using it as energy , etc,etc,etc,..

. Fat cells are a great place for estrogen to hang out . So , if you have a high bodyfat % and you start taking a compound that EASILY convert to estrogen you are risking a greater CONVERSION to estrogen from this compound .

Yes , maybe you can control the conversion to estrogen with aromasin , femara or arimidex . But , then again , maybe you CAN'T . So , why RISK ?

Just go with compounds that will NOT AROMATIZE by any means , like Trenbolone , winstroll , primobolan , oxandrolone , equipoise , masteron and turanabol .

those are the ideal compounds to use when cutting , IMO .

Just my 0.2 .


Victor

 

[biggeek]

You can't choose whatever drug to cut . It is not that simple .

Yes , Dbol is very anti catabolic and would spare muscle when used in a low calorie diet . It could be usefull . The whole point is to maintain muscle while dropping bodyfat and I am sure dbol would work in this situtation .

BUT , It is NOT , I repeat it is NOT a WISE idea to use COMPOUNDS that easily convert to ESTROGEN when cutting , so it safer to stay away from TEST , DBOL , D-ROL , etc...

Estrogen can be your worst enemy . It can make you hold water ( so , you are making progress but you can't see it ) , it can make you GAIN FAT ( yes it CAN ) , it can make you HOLD ON to your own bodyFAT instead of using it as energy , etc,etc,etc,..

. Fat cells are a great place for estrogen to hang out . So , if you have a high bodyfat % and you start taking a compound that EASILY convert to estrogen you are risking a greater CONVERSION to estrogen from this compound .

Yes , maybe you can control the conversion to estrogen with aromasin , femara or arimidex . But , then again , maybe you CAN'T . So , why RISK ?

Just go with compounds that will NOT AROMATIZE by any means , like Trenbolone , winstroll , primobolan , oxandrolone , equipoise , masteron and turanabol .

those are the ideal compounds to use when cutting , IMO .

Just my 0.2 .


Victor

I feel that you can control the conversion of estrogen.. with things such as you listed.. but you make a very valid point.. and i actually agree.. i prefer var over dbol for cutting..

another side effect of non-aromatizable roids is supression of appetite.. so that can greatly help while cutting.. i haven't noticed a major supression but i've noticed it helps.. on 20mg var/day.. but anyway.. good post Victor

 

[VictorBR]

I feel that you can control the conversion of estrogen.. with things such as you listed.. but you make a very valid point.. and i actually agree.. i prefer var over dbol for cutting..

another side effect of non-aromatizable roids is supression of appetite.. so that can greatly help while cutting.. i haven't noticed a major supression but i've noticed it helps.. on 20mg var/day.. but anyway.. good post Victor

>>>> thanks bro , yeah like you said , maybe he can control the conversion , but then again , maybe he can't . Fact is , he won't know untill he tries , BUT why risk ? I think that it depends from person to person , some might be able to control the conversion when using the proper ancilliaires and some MIGHT not . It is common to see people complaining about estrogen sides even when they are using arimidex ...so .....

bottom line is : If he can't control the conversion to estrogen , his cutting cycle will not give him the desired results .


Victor

 

[Mavy]

What is your BF bro? Dont even think of using a steroid to cut, until you have dropped a shitload of mass from dieting first.

Try this for 8 weeks first.

Find a diet that works great for you
Weight training
Cardio
Some type of stims like T-rex, or Green Tea and caffiene.

This alone will drop fat fast on you. Once you get rid of a large portion of your fat, then that is when you will want to use gear to cut, to take it another step further and get very lean while perserving muscle. Like I say, dont use any gear until you have completely stalled out with diet and training, or until you feel you are starting to loose muscle.

Your choice of gear is really detrimental. Vic raises some good points if you prone to estro-related sides, but its not that big of a worry because when you are using gear to cut, you are using a very light amount of gear. Just enough to maintain an anabolic environment and hold on to your muscle. You are not trying to grow your muscles, when in you are in a calorie deficeit (impossible), so you dont need all the higher dosages of gear as you would when trying to build muscle.

You will here a lot of pros use drol or dbol as their first choice of cutting drugs.

Mavy