My cycle log

[mus1cjunk1e]

Finally got all of my nutrition info looked up for all my meals so I can post an acurate meal plan, so I figured I would start a cycle log because I know I like to see others progress.

On monday I will be starting week 5 of a 12 week test p/trenbolone/masteron cycle. I am bulking for the first 8 weeks, then I will be cutting for the last 4.

If anyone hasn't seen my previous posts, I don't know the exact dosage of my gear (got from a good friend that I trust but it wasn't labeled and it's a premixed vial). I believe it to be 200/200/200 per ml, and yes I know for sure that it is really test p/trenbolone/masteron. I am shooting 1/2 cc EOD so I should be getting 350mg of each a week. However, it is possible that the masteron is half dosed as it is more of an ancillary (I'm pretty positive that it has the same dose trenbolone and test). I also just received my h.c.g. in the mail so I will begin shooting 250iu twice a week for weeks 5-12. I will also be running derma for weeks 9-12, then I will run only derma for another month, then I will run 2 months of derma sustain.

I started at 153lbs with approx 16% body fat (going by my scale which is super inaccurate). By the end of the second week I was 160lbs from water bloat. Right now I am 162lbs, noticeably stronger, and I am really starting to see some extra muscle size/definition. I have not gained much extra body fat as my scale is still showing the same body fat %. My goal is to hit at least 170lbs by the end of week 8 staying at around 16% body fat. Then I want to cut down as close to 10% body fat as I can during the last 4 weeks. I am a very hard gainer and I have in the past lost more than 15lbs of fat in a month when I focus on it so I think this should be possible. My end goal is to be about the same weight I started at but at 10% body fat.

For my workout plan, I have replaced all of my normal routines with the routines found in Nelson Montana's book "The Bodybuilding Truth". I currently do Chest/Tris on monday, Shoulders/Legs on wednesday, Back/Bis on friday. Also I do Nelson's ab workout about 2 times a week. So far I am getting great results with his workouts and I am definitely twice as sore in the same amount of time doing his workouts instead of mine. In fact, I used to workout 5 days a week (chest, back, legs, shoulders, arms). Now I had to switch to 3 days because I am just too damn sore to work out that many days! This should help when I want to cut because I will be able to do just cardio on my off days.

From then on I plan to work out natty for a while as I realize now after much research that I don't really need to use any juice right now to get where I want.

Other suppliments I am using:
- I am currently taking Zip while I am bulking as I don't want to use lipoflame yet so I can keep my appetite. It is hard to tell if it is doing anything because I am builking so I'm not really loosing fat. However, I am eating 3400kcal a day and not increasing body fat by much if not at all so it may be helping.

- I will begin taking lipoflame when I start cutting. I am still undecided on whether I will also use amp02. I also have a bottle of Definition I was going to use when I start cutting so I can hopefully drop this water bloat.

- I just got my RawMCC in so I will also begin using that starting week 5 and I will continue to use it throughout the cycle and beyond.

- I also take a range of vitamins: alpha lipoic acid at 600mg a day for my liver, policosanol at 20mg a day for my cholesterol, cranberry at 2000mg a day for my kidneys, and hawthorn berries extract for heart/bp.

- I had purchased a few bottles of Unleashed with the intent to use them throughout the cycle. For some reason, Unleashed was causing my muscles to get and stay really tense and was causing me to wake up with pinched nerves in my shoulder/upper back due to sleeping with tense muscles. For anyone else looking to try this, neither my brother or friend that currently take it have this problem so it must be something that affects my specific body chemistry. On a side note, my brother has been on Unleashed for almost a week and a half and says he is starting to feel/see results. However, that will be the topic of another thread.

My Meals:
Meal 1: 1.5 cups whole grain cereal with 1 cup skim plus milk; 1 scoop pro complex with 4oz skim plus milk
Meal 2: half sandwich (2 slices multigrain bread, 2 oz cheese, 4oz meat)
Meal 3: other half sandwich
Meal 4: half crock pot chicken, rice, and veggies
Meal 5: other half crock pot chicken, rice, and veggies
Meal 6: (pre workout) 3/4 scoop pro complex gainer with 12oz skim plus milk
Meal 7: (post workout) 1 scoop pro complex with 4oz skim plus milk; half crock pot chicken, rice, and veggies
Meal 8: half crock pot chicken, rice, and veggies
Meal 9: Muscle Milk shake w/ 16 oz skim plus milk

Meal stats:
Meal 1: 715kcal, 10g fat, 107g carbs, 51g protein
Meal 2: 265kcal, 11g fat, 21g carbs, 22g protein
Meal 3: 265kcal, 11g fat, 21g carbs, 22g protein
Meal 4: 190kcal, 1g fat, 36g carbs, 7g protein
Meal 5: 190kcal, 1g fat, 36g carbs, 7g protein
Meal 6: 655kcal, 6g fat, 90g carbs, 61g protein
Meal 7: 375kcal, 2g fat, 46g carbs, 39g protein
Meal 8: 190kcal, 1g fat, 36g carbs, 7g protein
Meal 9: 570kcal, 18g fat, 46g carbs, 54g protein
Total: 3415kcal, 61g fat, 439g carbs, 270g protein

I'll keep updating this thread as often as I can for anyone that is interested in following along. Also if anyone has any thoughts on my diet or any other specifics, please let me know. This whole thing is a learning process for me.

 

[GUARDIAN]

is that chicken pot pie home made?

 

[smtimelevi]

#1. You just shot yourself in the foot.I hate to tell you this but after you used juice and made some gains it is very unlikley that you will be able to make gains natty again. The gear allows your body to do things that arent possible normally, so you arent going to be able to do that after cesation of a cycle. Since steroids allowed your body to do the impossible. I may be wrong but from personal experience is where this advise comes. But good luck in your quest regardless, because Im not the one to preach.
#2. I thought Unleashed was best for PCT help

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

8and20:
It's not really chicken pot pie. Here's my basic recipe:

Crock Pot Chicken Recipe 3 days food:
3 cups brown rice cooked separately
1 lbs green beans
1 lbs baby carrots
1 green pepper
1 red pepper
1 onion
1 clove garlic, chopped
3 lbs lean chicken breast (I now use 4lbs actually so I'm getting a little extra protein)
1 can condensed chicken broth
1/2 can water (using the broth can)
Lemon juice (don't know exact amound I just take a bottle and pour some on)
Montreal Chicken Seasoning

This makes 3 days of food which is 2 portions per day but I split those into 2 meals each.


smtimelevi: Oh believe me I know it won't be anywhere as easy to gain off as it was on, however I think its a little bit of an overstatement to say I won't gain at all without cycling again. Also, after this cycle is totally done, I am going to try to get on Omega's program natty. As to your question about Unleashed, because it raises free test, I believe (and what I have read seems to agree) that it is good both on cycle and off.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Also I forgot to mention that (obviously) the meals I listed are for the bulking portion. When I start to cut, my plan is to cut all of the portions in half and just add a few extra scoops of pro complex throughout the day to keep my protein intake up.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Just prepared my h.c.g. When I made it, I diluted it to 500iu/ml. That way I would shoot 1/2ml 2xweek. I didn't realize how big 1/2ml looks in an insulin syringe! I wish now that I would have made it 500iu/.2ml or something so I would only have to shoot .1ml at a time.

Does anyone know if 1/2ml is too much to shoot subq? I shot the first shot just now, but I just shot it in the side of my quad with an insulin pin. Next time I was gonna try doing subq around my stomach/love handles.

 

[GUARDIAN]

l was just curious cuz chicken pot pie has way more fats grams than that. i figured it was something special.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

It's only been a few hours since the shot of h.c.g and its already pretty sore, I guess from all the bac water. I think I might just call this one a loss and use one of my other amps. Luckily I bought 8 so I'm well stocked. Next time I'm gonna prepare it so I only need to shoot .1ml.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

I woke up this morning and the spot where I shot the h.c.g isnt sore anymore. I think I'm just gonna suck it up and shoot this mix for a month and then do it right next month.

On a side note, I just had a little reality check. I realized I had my height set to 5'10" in my scale but I am really 5'8". Looks like I am more like 20% bf not 16%. Oh well. If I can get down to 12% when I finish cutting I'll be happy.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

I was going to post today about how all of the tren sides seemed to be gone after the first couple weeks, but last night I think I woke up 6 times and every time I was covered in sweat. I guess I'll start taking the sleep aides again. I think that when my room is really cold I sleep longer and don't sweat. It was a little warmer last night, so that may have been it.

Also, yesterday I was working chest and tris. After I finished chest and moved on to tris, I noticed that my left elbow was feeling tight. That's when I noticed what looked like a bruise on my left elbow. Needless to say, I didn't end up working tris yesterday. I think at some point doing chest I bruised/popped/tore something by my elbow. Probably while doing dips. I'm gonna just lay off the gym for a couple days and hopefully it'll heal quick.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Well I haven't been able to really work out this last week do to my elbow. It is almost completely healed now, no bruise anymore, but it still feels a little weak and I'm worried about damaging it further. Hopefully it will be fine by Monday.

I did legs on thursday and on thursday night I had a swollen area next to my knee (seems like a similar injury to my elbow). I read this thread: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...poise-boldenone-undecylenate-read-582928.html which may explain what has been happening. It seems like the test and possibly the tren are weakening my tendons. Thankfully I had some de.ca laying around so I decided to add that in for the rest of the cycle, stopping injections one week earlier than the test/tren/mast because of the half life. Hopefully this will take care of any further tendon injuries.

Also, while I was hurt this last week I apparently was also sick. I was blaming my waking up every 2 hours at night on the tren but it looks like it was a bad strain of cold that was going around my office. I also was feeling uneasy in my stomach and it was very hard to get my calories in. I was maybe eating 2500 to 2800 cals a day for a few days. The last 2 nights I slept beautifully and my unstoppable hunger came back. I woke up this morning so hungry I couldn't sleep in, I had to get up and eat right away. I love that feeling!

Also my weight had remained steady because I wasn't eating much and wasn't working out like usual. Well, this morning I'm up to 163.5lbs from 162 probably due to my leg workout and increased cals. I can literally see added mass around my calves (especially the bottom area above my ankles below the large calf muscles).

I'm gonna be careful next week to avoid any more tendon injuries. But I can't wait to get back in the gym.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

So I worked out real carefully last week and I think my tendon in my arm is fine now. I did a good chest workout on friday. I couldn't do any skull crushers cause it felt a little weird by my elbow but I think by this friday I'll be fine.

I decided that I'm stopping at 8 weeks. I'll have more time to recover before WMC instead of stopping right before it. Also I've got black rings around my eyes so big from lack of sleep that I look like a racoon! So basically, the first week of march I'm going to start on just derma. I'm gonna run that for a month (including WMC) and then I will run a bottle of sustain alpha with post cycle. After that is done (in the beginning of may) I'll get a blood test to check my test values. I have more H.C.G. which I'm half thinking of running at the beginning of the sustain but I think I'm gonna just stick to running H.C.G at 500iu EW during cycle.

I also started taking RawMCC. It's hard to tell exactly how well it's working because I'm in the stride of my cycle, but I felt that even in the first workout I was getting a little better pumps and my strength went up a lot that week even though I hadn't worked out that hard the week before. Like I said, hard to tell what is the rawmcc and what is the gear at this point tho.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

This week is the last week of the cycle since I shortened it to 8 weeks. I will run h.c.g. for one more week after injects. For the next 4 weeks after this one I will be running dermacrine alone, then I will switch to sustain alpha and add in post cycle. After that I will get my test levels checked.

I will be cutting for 4 weeks, starting this week, in preparation for the WMC. My goal is to loose 12lbs of body fat with minimal muscle loss. I am keeping up my same routine but adding in a few days of cardio and I started taking lipoflame today. I am taking 2 in the morning and 2 in the afternoon (I am sensitive to stimulants).

Here is the cutting diet I put together:
Meal 1: 450kcal, 5.5g fat, 58.5g carbs, 42g protein
Meal 2: 465kcal, 15.5g fat, 42g carbs, 45g protein
Meal 3: 272kcal, 2g fat, 48g carbs, 15g protein
Meal 4: 185kcal, 1g fat, 10g carbs, 32.5g protein
Meal 5: 185kcal, 1g fat, 10g carbs, 32.5g protein
Meal 6: 272kcal, 2g fat, 48g carbs, 15g protein
Meal 7: 370kcal, 2g fat, 20g carbs, 65g protein
Total: 2199kcal, 29g fat, 236.5g carbs, 247g protein 12/43/45 split

Meal 1: 3/4 cup whole grain cereal with 4oz skim plus milk, 1 scoop pro complex with 4oz skim plus milk
Meal 2: sandwich (1 can tuna, 1 slice cheese, 1tbsp mayo)
Meal 3: crock pot chicken, rice, and veggies
Meal 4: (pre workout) 1 scoop pro complex with 4oz skim plus milk
Meal 5: (post workout) 1 scoop pro complex with 4oz skim plus milk
Meal 6: crock pot chicken, rice, and veggies
Meal 7: 2 scoops pro complex with 8oz milk

Crock Pot Chicken Recipe for cutting 3 days food:
1.5 cups brown rice cooked separately (900kcal, 6g fat, 192g carbs, 18g protein)
1 lbs green beans (80kcal, 0g fat, 20g carbs, 4g protein)
1 lbs baby carrots (203kcal, 0g fat, 48g carbs, 5g protein)
1 pepper (red or green) (50kcal, 0g fat, 10g carbs, 2g protein)
1 onion (63kcal, 0g fat, 15g carbs, 1g protein)
3 lbs lean chicken breast (240kcal, 3g fat, 0g carbs, 48g protein)
1 can condensed chicken broth (95kcal, 3g fat, 2g carbs, 13g protein)
1/2 broth can of water
Total: 1631kcal, 12g fat, 287g carbs, 91g protein
divided by 3: 544kcal, 4g fat, 96g carbs, 30g protein per day
divided by 2: 272kcal, 2g fat, 48g carbs, 15g protein per meal

Put veggies in first, creating a dip in the middle for the chicken. Put in the chicken cutlets whole. Pour in the can of broth and then half a can of water. I then add in Ms Dash chicken seasoning liberally (no salt in there) and sometimes a squirt or two of lemon juice. Then I just throw it on low overnight for 8-10 hours. When it's done I throw it in containers with the rice. Also I throw in a clove of garlic cut up when I feel like bothering.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

K this will be my last post in this thread. I just started on sustain alpha today. I will run 2 bottles of it and then get a blood test. I will start a new thread later documenting my progress with sustain alpha.

I'm ditching the cutting that I just posted about. I'm still to small to be cutting or using steroids for that matter. I started using gear because a dumb friend of mine that had juiced for years got me to do it. I knew very little about lifting when I started. Now that I know better from reading all the info I could find on this site, I realize that he gave me horrible advice.

I had worked out for maybe 6 months. Stopped for 8 months. Wanted to start again and he somehow convinced me to do a 8 week anavar/winnie cycle. No mention of p.c.t, nothing. After I did that he got me on a deca/masteron cycle. Then he got me the test/tren/mast vial that I was just using for this cycle. So basically I did 3 cycles in a row with maybe 2 or 3 weeks in between them. According to him "I'm only 21 so I can just stay on gear for a year and I'll bounce back no problem". What STUPID advice! At 21 and a beginner lifter I have no business using any gear yet. Sounds to me now like he was just trying to sell gear he had, and didn't care about my personal health.

I just started really reading this site when I started this last cycle. While I was doing this cycle I learned so much about lifting, eating, and gear. I learned that I don't need gear to hit the goals I want. I know how to eat properly to gain lean weight. I know what exercises I should be focusing on in the gym. He gave me highly inflated idea's of how far the gear would get me. Guess what? If you are skinny and have no lifting experience it wont get you far at all! I barely gained anything off of the first 2 cycles. I could have gained more had I known how to properly eat and train! Off of this latest cycle I put on 12 lbs (some fat some water) so maybe 5-8lbs of real mass. Guess what? I could of put that on natty and not fuckin shut down my system and I could have gotten real sleep for the last 8 weeks (fuckin tren). Plus my strength went up, but once again it could have gone up the same if not more natty. And that's not even mentioning the tendon/ligament problems I've had because my body wasn't developed enough to handle raising my weights that fast.

I'm done ranting, but I really hope that some 18-22 yo kids that are thinking about juicing will read this post and not do it. I have enough left for 2 more cycles of test/tren/mast and then i have another vial with enough for like 8 weeks of mast enanthate. I will definitely NOT be using those anytime in the next year. I have all the knowledge now but no need to use them. I'm just gonna focus on eating clean (not gonna worry about the exact cals anymore til im bigger) and doing cardio (havent been doing that now) and getting all my main lifts up. I'll still be around on the juice board because I think I can still offer some good advice as I am really good at processing and filtering info (like all the juice info I read) and I do have firsthand experience, but I certainly won't be taking any anytime soon. I think I will post some pics up in the pics section so I have some before pics to start my natty training with. I just really hope I can recover well using sustain so that I can continue to gain natty.

Thanks to everyone that helped me out, especially the people I have seen post so vehemently against the use of steroids by beginners. I thought it was an easy way up, but I need to put in the hard work and dedication like everyone else. I have the dedication now (partly because I was so dedicated to make the most out of this cycle -- so hey it wasn't all bad) so hopefully I will continue to move forward.

 

[GUARDIAN]

Good luck bro!