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My anabolic experience

extremefighter

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Here are a few notes I ve compiled through the years. Everyone’s body chemistry is different, so what worked for me might not work for you. Hope this helps.

Drug Profiles:

1) Dbol - I hate dbol. Shuts my own testosterone production down quick makes my testicles shrink. This drug makes me look like a bloated piece of crap. If you like the bloated look then this is a good drug, if you like the grainy look, stay away from this drug. I’ve tried injectables and pills.

2) IGF-1 R3- great stuff - I cycled IGF-1 with primo for one month and lost a ton of fat. I ve used for PCT with GH and it worked great. Cycle IGF-1 with Tren and you have the cycle of a champion. Makes me grow new hair on my head. Makes my testicles bigger. IGF-1 is HGH on steroids, you will look better after one month on IGF-1 than six months of HGH. It does stop working after a few weeks, better to use 2 weeks on 2 weeks off at 20-40mcg ED. If used with anabolics and the training is intense, satellite cells will become muscle cells, it will change your body permanently; the structure of your body and the amount of muscle cells in your body will be altered for the better. I currently experimenting with 20mcg ED. I would say most manufacturers IGF-1, is not real or gets destroyed in the shipping process. Once you find a good IGF-1 supp stick with him. I can tell if its real because if I shot 40mcg, I get really tired and can sleep for 12 hours straight.

3) TREN Eth - Worked great, gives me a big hard look. I think TREN Eth with IGF-1 is the most powerful mix out there today. But you must cycle off, after 8 weeks my kidneys would hurt after a 200mg shot which I only took once a week. The pain was in my lower left back side, the dr says that is the location of the kidney. It also made me sweat really bad at night. Makes my body hairy, grew a lot of hair on my legs and arms. UPDATE - I think only certain brands of Tren Eth are dirtier than others, some brands make my kidneys hurt while others do not. Must be in the production.

4) Test cyp - I think 400-600 mg per week is a good amount for me, if I am cycling with other drugs. Anything over 700mg per week and I get no better gains, all I get are bad side effects like water retention.

5) Oral Turnabol - 20 mg ED is just as good as 40mg ED. A few years back I went from 235lbs to 255 lbs ( I am 5 10) with this drug along with 600 mg of test. Despite what people say, this drug did make me hold a little water.

6) Winni - Is a good drug if mixed with other drugs, this drug be itself makes me look really bad as it shuts down my own test and makes me look watery and flat. Taken alone it also gave me gyno. I once took only injectable winni and looked like crap, when I went off the winni only cycle, people thought I was on drugs because I looked so much better. If you stack with test then you can get some solid gains from this drug. It does make my hair fall out however.

7) TREN ace - Need to inject EOD, made me harder than the TREN eth. but not as big.

8) deca - great drug for me, makes me look great but I cannot use because it makes my hair fall out. It also gives me acne and oily skin like no other drug. This drug also shuts my testicles down and is 2nd only to d-bol for this effect.

9) Anavar – I Love anavar at 40-50mg ED. It make me fuller and strong. I got vascular in just a few days. That is how you know if anavar is real, you will get vascular if you relatively lean in just a few days. 20mg did little for me while 40-50mg ED was great. It will give you a fuller look than winni. Take this drug at the end of a cycle to or when you get to a sticking point in your cycle.

10) Arimidex - Really leans me out and gives me that hard look - can make me tired however. Too much of this and it can really hurt the sexual performance.

11) EQ (bold) This drug give me a lot of new vascularity that are still there today. OK drug. It also raises the Red Blood Cell count which can cause serious health problems. I got a blood clot in my leg that caused me to be hospitalized. This drug had some role in causing the blood clot.

12) HGH - IT helps heal my body, cuts and helps the skin and hair. Made me a little leaner, but nothing dramatic. Not as good as IGF-1. I am currently taking 4ius ED at bedtime and it is helping me to keep lean.

13) Clomid - good drug 50mg twice a day. Gives me a sex drive, more semen and brings me back from a cycle.

14) HCG - Never use this stuff with anabolics in your system, yes only my opinion. Wait at least 3-4 weeks after last shot. If you feel and look good and your test levels are good in PCT, do not use this drug as it can really make you look bad after use due to the rebound effect.

15) anadrol – This drug is very powerful. It will make you big fast. I can gain 20 pounds in 3-4 week, but a lot of that is water and fat from the added estrogen. It makes my face look like crap, very bloated. If you have real anadrol you will know in a week or so, due to the massive quick weight gain you should experience.

16) Parbolan – People say it’s the same as Tren just different esters, but for some reason I looked better on Parbolan than on TREN ace. Probably because the parabolin was from a better manufacturer or different half life made a difference.

17) aromasine – Better than arimidex in the fact that it does not effect your IGF-1 levels. I ve read studies to that arimidex effects IGF-1 levels, I ve also read some studies that says it does not. For some reason I feel better on aromizine than arimidex. I feel they work about the same in reducing estrogen and the studies show the same. Longer half life than arimidex and it does not make me as tired.

18) Clen – This is a power drug. I took only 25mcg and it makes me shake, I can barley write my name on paper I am shaking so bad. It does burn fat very well and makes your workouts better, your stronger with more energy. I only take it two days a week on the days I am lifting twice.

With any drug take the least amount possible. If 25mcg of clen is working, why try 40mcg, if 600mg of test is working why shot 1 gram. As with most everything, more is not better. How many times do you talk to a guy in the gym and he's doing a ton of juice, yet you can barely tell he lifts weights. Be smart, train smart and hard, and eat right.

peace brothers
 
Good shit bro.

Can I ask who you used for IGF?
 
doesn't seem like you used an AI with anadrol or dbol, ect.. wouldn't that help keep off the nasty bloat? Ever use a stronger AI than adex?


Cool write up, it's good to read about others experiences.
 
Sarge_ said:
doesn't seem like you used an AI with anadrol or dbol, ect.. wouldn't that help keep off the nasty bloat? Ever use a stronger AI than adex?


Cool write up, it's good to read about others experiences.


Ive taken both with and without AI, some reason I still held water though not as bad.
 
aceofspades said:
Excellent post! What was your most favorite cycle to date for both gain mass and to cut?



For me, regarding pure bulk nothing beats anadrol. But lately, I ve stay away from the drug because I like the hard look and because of the crash that may occur Post cycle. Favorite cutting cycle would be:
tren eth 200-300mg
test eth – 500-700mg
with either winni or var.
I would also use HGH and IGF-1.

The best way for me to get big and lean is to lift twice a day for about 30-40 minutes per session.
 
extremefighter said:
For me, regarding pure bulk nothing beats anadrol. But lately, I ve stay away from the drug because I like the hard look and because of the crash that may occur Post cycle. Favorite cutting cycle would be:
tren eth 200-300mg
test eth – 500-700mg
with either winni or var.
I would also use HGH and IGF-1.

The best way for me to get big and lean is to lift twice a day for about 30-40 minutes per session.

I did a cycle similar to that recently and really liked it except for libito problems towards the end. Did you take Cabasar or anything like that during the cycle? I also added some Proviron at 50mg /ed to the cycle.
 
aceofspades said:
I did a cycle similar to that recently and really liked it except for libito problems towards the end. Did you take Cabasar or anything like that during the cycle? I also added some Proviron at 50mg /ed to the cycle.


I took Cabergoline for some of the cycle. Never had any libito problems at all.
 
thanks for the info and the time you put into that. concerning clen, it had almost the opposite effect for me. although it was a valuable cutter, it made me very lethargic. had almost no endurance
 
How did you trace the clot back to eq use? Isn't a clot caused by excessive platelet aggregation? Is this something eq is known to cause?
 
Twoguns said:
How did you take the IGF, the mcg description was throwing me off, do you shoot the stuff???

shot IM , I forwarded you a PM bro

eastcoastplayer said:
thanks for the info and the time you put into that. concerning clen, it had almost the opposite effect for me. although it was a valuable cutter, it made me very lethargic. had almost no endurance

Clen makes me strong as an ox and I have energy to burn. Have you tried another brand?


hanibal said:
...since i'm close to starting a 14 weeker w/ it. did u use aspirin w/ it?

No sir I did not, I did have an operation on my nose from breaking my nose do the MMA thing and sometimes that can contribute to blood clots - I thing the EQ and high red blood cell count helped.

dzuljas said:
how much EQ a week were you using when you got the blood clot?

I was off the EQ for a few weeks but I still had the high levels of red blood cells in my body. When I did the EQ is was between 400-500mg per week.


Peace brothers and thank you for the positive comments, you can pm me if you have any other questions.
 
hanibal said:
...since i'm close to starting a 14 weeker w/ it. did u use aspirin w/ it?

Sorry I did not check my grammar so here is another response.

No sir I did not use aspirin, I did have an operation from breaking my nose doing the MMA thing and sometimes “going under” can contribute to blood clots - I think the EQ and high red blood cell count contributed to the blood clot.


Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
How did you trace the clot back to eq use? Isn't a clot caused by excessive platelet aggregation? Is this something eq is known to cause?

Good point, however EQ is known for adding red blood cells. Is it not logical to suggest a higher red blood cell count could contribute to getting a blood clot? I enjoy the discussion, let me know what your opinion is. That how we learn, getting new, logical and different ideas out there.

peace
 
Excellent post.

All of our bodies are different and we all experience different results and sides. there should be more posts like this!
 
extremefighter said:
For me, regarding pure bulk nothing beats anadrol. But lately, I ve stay away from the drug because I like the hard look and because of the crash that may occur Post cycle. Favorite cutting cycle would be:
tren eth 200-300mg
test eth – 500-700mg
with either winni or var.
I would also use HGH and IGF-1.

The best way for me to get big and lean is to lift twice a day for about 30-40 minutes per session.
how long does it take u for u 2 notice ur adex workin? wat dose u took?
 
Great post man. What kind of GH have you run?

I wasn't that impressed with the IGF I ran though. Maybe I got a bad batch or something. Curious where you got your IGF from...
 
instant.muscle said:
how long does it take u for u 2 notice ur adex workin? wat dose u took?

The next day I look harder. I stay away from adex now and try to use aromasin.



dosteov said:
Great post man. What kind of GH have you run?

I wasn't that impressed with the IGF I ran though. Maybe I got a bad batch or something. Curious where you got your IGF from...

Thanks bro, I ve used dr. prescribed GH straight from the pharma, jintropin, Kefei (blue tops) and Hygetropin. I like the blue tops the best, just be careful who you get them from - all blue tops are not made the same. Blue tops work just as well if not better and the price is best.
 
Deca gives you acne and makes your hair fall out? Do you use it alone or with test? Do you use propecia with it?
 
krishna said:
Deca gives you acne and makes your hair fall out? Do you use it alone or with test? Do you use propecia with it?


I took deca with test yes, I did use propecia and did not help much. As I remember, the only drugs that make my hair fall out are deca, winni and proviron.
 
Great post - thanks for the info. Been out of it for awhile and appreciate the real world feedback. Saves me some experimenting on myself.
 
Great , great post. you have been comin through with good stuff! much appreciated!

Made me wanna seriously look into igf-1!

I love Eq but there definately are concerns with it!

What doseage do you like with the aromasin?

How did you treat your gyno?

I know its alot of questions, but you are a great source of knowledge!
 
tshoot said:
Great post - thanks for the info. Been out of it for awhile and appreciate the real world feedback. Saves me some experimenting on myself.

That’s funny; you know sometimes I feel like an experiment.

georgie24 said:
blood clot

you think EQ have permanent effects on ya?


The effects of the EQ will not be permanent as my red blood cell count will/has decreased. The clot was cause by the high red blood cell count and the fact I had an operation that required me to be under. I think my reaction to EQ is very rare I would not be concerned. The effects of the blood clot are with me for life as my veins in my leg are permanently damaged. No big deal sometimes my leg hurts and swells up.


palehorse51 said:
Great , great post. you have been comin through with good stuff! much appreciated!

Made me wanna seriously look into igf-1!

I love Eq but there definitely are concerns with it!

What dosage do you like with the aromasin?

How did you treat your gyno?

I know its alot of questions, but you are a great source of knowledge!

Thanks man, there have been alot of guys who have taken time for me and helped me out. Intimid8or and Karius are two guys who come to mind. We all have so much to learn and new material comes out all the time.

aromasin 25mg ed

The gyno went away for the most part but using AIs and staying lean.

Peace brothers
 
extremefighter said:
I took deca with test yes, I did use propecia and did not help much. As I remember, the only drugs that make my hair fall out are deca, winni and proviron.

Most likely the only reason deca would have such side effects is because you took propecia with it. Besides, how do you know it wasn't the test?
 
Great post. It's good to compare notes and see how different AAS affect different folks. It's funny, some compounds affect me exactly the same way and some exact opposite.

Great stuff!
 
Has anybody noticed the buzz about igf on this board since this post? Very interesting. Funny how a good post by an experienced vet can make such a stir. I know I'm looking into it. Will it help an old (51) softball player?
 
krishna said:
Most likely the only reason deca would have such side effects is because you took propecia with it. Besides, how do you know it wasn't the test?

Because I ve taken test plenty of times before and no hair loss. Yes, I ve read taking propecia with deca can be bad for the hair. I ve also read that the propecia deca combo making hair fall out was not true. Do you have an scientific studies regarding this, I would like to read them. peace


wags8 said:
Has anybody noticed the buzz about igf on this board since this post? Very interesting. Funny how a good post by an experienced vet can make such a stir. I know I'm looking into it. Will it help an old (51) softball player?

I think IGF-1 is great for older individuals. I would like to stress that of the 7 or supps I ve order IGF-1 from only 3 had the real deal. For older people it will help repair your joints. Interesting fact, HGH makes my joints hurt while IGF-1 made any joint pain I had go away. I bought some aflutops (SP) but I do not need them now.
 
extremefighter said:
Here are a few notes I ve compiled through the years. Everyone’s body chemistry is different, so what worked for me might not work for you. Hope this helps.

Drug Profiles:

1) Dbol - I hate dbol. Shuts my own testosterone production down quick makes my testicles shrink. This drug makes me look like a bloated piece of crap. If you like the bloated look then this is a good drug, if you like the grainy look, stay away from this drug. I’ve tried injectables and pills.

2) IGF-1 R3- great stuff - I cycled IGF-1 with primo for one month and lost a ton of fat. I ve used for PCT with GH and it worked great. Cycle IGF-1 with Tren and you have the cycle of a champion. Makes me grow new hair on my head. Makes my testicles bigger. IGF-1 is HGH on steroids, you will look better after one month on IGF-1 than six months of HGH. It does stop working after a few weeks, better to use 2 weeks on 2 weeks off at 20-40mcg ED. If used with anabolics and the training is intense, satellite cells will become muscle cells, it will change your body permanently; the structure of your body and the amount of muscle cells in your body will be altered for the better. I currently experimenting with 20mcg ED. I would say most manufacturers IGF-1, is not real or gets destroyed in the shipping process. Once you find a good IGF-1 supp stick with him. I can tell if its real because if I shot 40mcg, I get really tired and can sleep for 12 hours straight.

3) TREN Eth - Worked great, gives me a big hard look. I think TREN Eth with IGF-1 is the most powerful mix out there today. But you must cycle off, after 8 weeks my kidneys would hurt after a 200mg shot which I only took once a week. The pain was in my lower left back side, the dr says that is the location of the kidney. It also made me sweat really bad at night. Makes my body hairy, grew a lot of hair on my legs and arms. UPDATE - I think only certain brands of Tren Eth are dirtier than others, some brands make my kidneys hurt while others do not. Must be in the production.

4) Test cyp - I think 400-600 mg per week is a good amount for me, if I am cycling with other drugs. Anything over 700mg per week and I get no better gains, all I get are bad side effects like water retention.

5) Oral Turnabol - 20 mg ED is just as good as 40mg ED. A few years back I went from 235lbs to 255 lbs ( I am 5 10) with this drug along with 600 mg of test. Despite what people say, this drug did make me hold a little water.

6) Winni - Is a good drug if mixed with other drugs, this drug be itself makes me look really bad as it shuts down my own test and makes me look watery and flat. Taken alone it also gave me gyno. I once took only injectable winni and looked like crap, when I went off the winni only cycle, people thought I was on drugs because I looked so much better. If you stack with test then you can get some solid gains from this drug. It does make my hair fall out however.

7) TREN ace - Need to inject EOD, made me harder than the TREN eth. but not as big.

8) deca - great drug for me, makes me look great but I cannot use because it makes my hair fall out. It also gives me acne and oily skin like no other drug. This drug also shuts my testicles down and is 2nd only to d-bol for this effect.

9) Anavar – I Love anavar at 40-50mg ED. It make me fuller and strong. I got vascular in just a few days. That is how you know if anavar is real, you will get vascular if you relatively lean in just a few days. 20mg did little for me while 40-50mg ED was great. It will give you a fuller look than winni. Take this drug at the end of a cycle to or when you get to a sticking point in your cycle.

10) Arimidex - Really leans me out and gives me that hard look - can make me tired however. Too much of this and it can really hurt the sexual performance.

11) EQ (bold) This drug give me a lot of new vascularity that are still there today. OK drug. It also raises the Red Blood Cell count which can cause serious health problems. I got a blood clot in my leg that caused me to be hospitalized. This drug had some role in causing the blood clot.

12) HGH - IT helps heal my body, cuts and helps the skin and hair. Made me a little leaner, but nothing dramatic. Not as good as IGF-1. I am currently taking 4ius ED at bedtime and it is helping me to keep lean.

13) Clomid - good drug 50mg twice a day. Gives me a sex drive, more semen and brings me back from a cycle.

14) HCG - Never use this stuff with anabolics in your system, yes only my opinion. Wait at least 3-4 weeks after last shot. If you feel and look good and your test levels are good in PCT, do not use this drug as it can really make you look bad after use due to the rebound effect.

15) anadrol – This drug is very powerful. It will make you big fast. I can gain 20 pounds in 3-4 week, but a lot of that is water and fat from the added estrogen. It makes my face look like crap, very bloated. If you have real anadrol you will know in a week or so, due to the massive quick weight gain you should experience.

16) Parbolan – People say it’s the same as Tren just different esters, but for some reason I looked better on Parbolan than on TREN ace. Probably because the parabolin was from a better manufacturer or different half life made a difference.

17) aromasine – Better than arimidex in the fact that it does not effect your IGF-1 levels. I ve read studies to that arimidex effects IGF-1 levels, I ve also read some studies that says it does not. For some reason I feel better on aromizine than arimidex. I feel they work about the same in reducing estrogen and the studies show the same. Longer half life than arimidex and it does not make me as tired.

18) Clen – This is a power drug. I took only 25mcg and it makes me shake, I can barley write my name on paper I am shaking so bad. It does burn fat very well and makes your workouts better, your stronger with more energy. I only take it two days a week on the days I am lifting twice.

With any drug take the least amount possible. If 25mcg of clen is working, why try 40mcg, if 600mg of test is working why shot 1 gram. As with most everything, more is not better. How many times do you talk to a guy in the gym and he's doing a ton of juice, yet you can barely tell he lifts weights. Be smart, train smart and hard, and eat right.

peace brothers

bro thnaks very good post! just curious about your deca experience..how much deca did you take to affect your hairline? did you take it alone or with test?
 
Magick69 said:
bro thnaks very good post! just curious about your deca experience..how much deca did you take to affect your hairline? did you take it alone or with test?

I took between 300-400mg if I remember correctly, I did run with test at about 500-600mg. Maybe the propecia did have something to do with the hair loss. I do not do deca currently because it is very hard for me to recover from that drug after PCT. I recover way better from drugs like tren, test etc.

peace
 
Very informative post, thanks extreme for your time and effort in this bro! Great questions and feedback too guys!
 
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