Muscle Texture?

[Tuffguy1980]

Reasons for muscle texture?

About 5 1/2 weeks ago I tore my major pectoralis tendon off my humerous bone. Of course, it had to be fix surgically.

One week later I went back for a re-check appt. and I asked my doctor how it went, and if there were any problems. He said that it went well but that he had trouble retrieving my muscle from my chest due to the swelling.
Then he proceeded to say, "I would like to ask you a question. Are you taking steroids?" I said no. He said are you sure your not really taking anything at all?
I said no, why.
He proceeded with well when we were reattaching your tendon I put a suture through your chest muscle as well for extra support and your muscle texture wasn't as I imagined it would be.
I said really well what is the problem.
He replied, "well, you wouldthink in a young man that the muscle would be harder and tighter. But when I put the needle through it wasn't. Your muscle was more like a filet steak. It was as if I was sutureing a tender fillet and not your chest muscle."
I asked is there a problem with that, What does that mean?
He didn't have an answer for me. I told him that I have experimented with OTC Pro Hormones and would that effect my muscle.
He said he didn't know and didn't really tell me any more info but was never the less shocked that I wasn't on steroids.

So now I ask you guys my buddies on the elite force, What does this muscle texture mean?

Why is my chest more like a fillet minion then a normal pectoralis muscle?

Any educated guesses or opinions? I am very curious!

Muscle texture- Why is it different?
P.S- Yes, I will tell you the truth, I am a user.

 

[THEEGAME2544]

I'm guessing because there is more size from your chest being fuller. Being fuller, it is probably a bit softer than if it were small and tight-stretched like a normal persons pectoral.

 

[Tuffguy1980]

hmmm, Good one. Didn't think of it that way.

Anyone else?

 

[GoldenDelicious]

could be anything. i am very well grounded in pharmacogenomics (what doses of drugs do to different individuals) and am certain that exercise and nutrition for muscle building will result in different phenomena between individuals

on a hormonal level, it may be that you have more estrogen or something than other individuals (softer muscles) or it could have something to do with the amount of collagen or other fibrous, insoluble protein which make up your muscle tissue...jeez we could speculate forever

now the really interesting question is if your "soft" (or should i say gourmet ) muscles were part of the cause for the muscle tear...

 

[bowling ball nutz]

intresting... maybe he was just testing you trying to get you to admit you juiced

 

[Tuffguy1980]

could be anything. i am very well grounded in pharmacogenomics (what doses of drugs do to different individuals) and am certain that exercise and nutrition for muscle building will result in different phenomena between individuals

on a hormonal level, it may be that you have more estrogen or something than other individuals (softer muscles) or it could have something to do with the amount of collagen or other fibrous, insoluble protein which make up your muscle tissue...jeez we could speculate forever

now the really interesting question is if your "soft" (or should i say gourmet ) muscles were part of the cause for the muscle tear...

LOL, Well I don't consider myself soft. Made me laugh. Actually my muscle did not tear at all. I just ripped my tendon right off the bone with no muscle injury at all. I don't usually stretch at all and I think that was my problem. Plus I jumped my weight faster than normal as well.
135, 205, 225, 265, 285
I was going for 8 reps on 285 and got 7 1/4 before the rip.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

lol listen here mister fillet mignon, youre the one with tender tissue, yes?

the reasons i stated above affect every aspect of your body. its just genetics to the Nth degree

 

[Tuffguy1980]

Are you saying I am genetically inferrior?

Grrrr don't make me angry you don't want to see the green machine angry Haha

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Wow, you tore your tendon off the bone with 285? Perhaps this soft muscle really was an issue and contributed to your tear. What sort of cycles do you do?

 

[BIC]

honestly id go back and tell your doc the truth....that way he can help you more,,,doctor patent confiendiality would prohibit him from reporting you..but inorder for him to help you effectivy he has to know the truth....

just my oppinion bro.

BIC

 

[trenfan2]

Have you had tendon injuries in the past? what was the doctors explanation for why this may have happened? I would think that this could be indicitive of an underlying problem you are unaware of. It is not an easy thing to do to tear a tendon from the bone, it should certainly take major amounts of force. I would recommend telling your doctor the truth. no offense but I'm pretty sure he's already on to you since he came out and asked like he did.

 

[Becoming]

honestly id go back and tell your doc the truth....that way he can help you more,,,doctor patent confiendiality would prohibit him from reporting you..but inorder for him to help you effectivy he has to know the truth....

just my oppinion bro.

BIC

Dude I would not tell him jack....

first off- tearing the tendon off the bone has NOTHING to do with the texture of the muscle being like fillet.... it has to do with the fact the muscle gained strength faster than the tendon attachment (which can happen with juice and sometimes, though more rarely, without.... if anything, the muscle woud probably have to be tougher for this to happen, and not soft - if they were so soft muscle bellies would rip right down the middle, and this didn't happen.... (dude go buy a filet - you can pull it apart with two hands easily- if it was that soft it wouldn't hold up the bar under that leverage)

second- the reason fillet and veal and other meat is so tender is cause the muscle is NOT used much- if it is a high use muscle it is tough and sinewy... they put calves in dark rooms where they can barely move to get veal-because the use of the muscle makes it tough, and no one likes tough veal... You muscle would NEVER have this tenderness- unless maybe you were lying down your whole life....

The doc was FISHING dude, and trying to get you go fess up by saying things that went over your head.... if anything I would not trust the guy cause he was trying to put one over on you, and BS you into a confession.... find a new doc.

 

[BIC]

so the question is can you get in trouble for telling your doc your on roids ....i figure if there is no chance of getting in trouble why not tell the doc its a given that he knows alot more than us....

 

[Becoming]

so the question is can you get in trouble for telling your doc your on roids ....i figure if there is no chance of getting in trouble why not tell the doc its a given that he knows alot more than us....

not neccessarily true... there are tons of misinformed docs out there... unless of course he is a specialist in juice itself (and there aren't many)...

You can do what you like, but I would not trust a guy with such information if he blatantly made up some BS story to try and get me to confess...

doctor patent confidentiality is great, but if he already lied to you with a BS story I don't know that I would trust him regardless...

 

[BIC]

true!

 

[trenfan2]

not neccessarily true... there are tons of misinformed docs out there... unless of course he is a specialist in juice itself (and there aren't many)...

You can do what you like, but I would not trust a guy with such information if he blatantly made up some BS story to try and get me to confess...

doctor patent confidentiality is great, but if he already lied to you with a BS story I don't know that I would trust him regardless...

Becoming,
I hear where you're coming from but without actually knowing what the doctors exact technical wording was in regards to tuffguys pec, how can you be so sure he's made up a b/s story just to get him to confess to juicing. I wouldn't see any benefit to him in doing so? Maybe his clinical diagnosis wouldn't be worded in laymans terms like "soft". He may have been trying to state something technical in everyday terms for simplicity sake. Of course everyone has differerent comfort levels with their physician so to each his own. I have found it better in the past to come clean, but I've always had the benefit of having "team" doctors who were already aware of certain situations.
I do agree with you about the muscle gaining strength faster than the tendon as probably being the case, I have freinds who have had similar situations with just using creatine. but better safe than sorry is my opinion.

 

[Becoming]

Becoming,
I hear where you're coming from but without actually knowing what the doctors exact technical wording was in regards to tuffguys pec, how can you be so sure he's made up a b/s story just to get him to confess to juicing. I wouldn't see any benefit to him in doing so?

The way tuff guy described it seemed pretty clear- and was something that really could not occur, so it was pretty clear to me the guy was misleading him.... Maybe he gets a power trip out it cause he thinks you don't know jack... I don't know what his motivations are, and I wouldn't guess, but since it is illegal, I don't know that i would trust him...

Either way, the guy can do what he wants, but I definately apprecieate both views...

I've always had the benefit of having "team" doctors who were already aware of certain situations....

Too bad more people don't have this or there would never be threads like this...

 

[evander1972]

Here fillet you jumped from 135 - 205 wow, When the Doc said your muscle was like a fillet steak. Dont they give cows steroids. Maybe your muscles grow differently if on AAS to resemble steak. I dont know Ive only ever eaten steak and never seen a human fillet.

 

[THEEGAME2544]

If you tell your doc it could be in your medical records in which you may have a difficult time having insurance pay for surgeries or life insurance down the road. Not worth the risk IMO.

 

[BIC]

DAM good point

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Are you saying I am genetically inferrior?

Grrrr don't make me angry you don't want to see the green machine angry Haha

lol you big softie

 

[Tuffguy1980]

Good point on medical insurance. He is not my normal doctor just a surgeon and therefore I felt no reason to tell him. I think he may have been fishing since it is very rare that someone tares a petoralis tendon. I think I jumped in weight too fast and put too much stress on it. I normally weigh in at 190lbs and usually do a max of 265 - 285 maybe like three times. Then I hit my cycle of 750 test enanth, 5 wks 35mg of dbol jumped up to 315 lb for six reps. I was trying to pound out 8 reps on 285. And my new weight was at 230 with a lot of water weight. Also I had just finished dbol a week prior and was still on test but started T3 and winny and dropped my caloric intake and that paticular day I had maybe 100- 150 carbs all day comming from brown rice and oats. Was on 50mcg T3 40 mgs winny and was still trying to push the same weights like I was still bulking and on dbol.
I chalk it up to inexperience and learning the hard way the very hard way. But still hope to do a show in september or this time next year.
The way my dr try to describe my muscle was almost saying like a knife through butter. I found it hard to believe that my muscle was SOFT or it would have teared.
I have that complex everytime my muscle is refered to as soft or inferrior lol it is like looking in the mirror. One day you say wow I am looking big and the next you're like what the . . . LOL