Muscle Milk with CKD

[serbyte]

does anyone know if Muscle milk will kick me out of ketosis, even if i take it as a PW shake. It has 32p 10c 18fat.

I would even take ala to minimize insulin response.

If this is not a good option, does anyone know what is good for post workout, if you are on CKD

 

[Mr.X]

does anyone know if Muscle milk will kick me out of ketosis, even if i take it as a PW shake. It has 32p 10c 18fat.

I would even take ala to minimize insulin response.

If this is not a good option, does anyone know what is good for post workout, if you are on CKD

yes it will kick you out of ketosis....

anything over 6g carbs per meal will usually kick you out of ketosis

Mr.X

 

[dirtyboi]

ok, it will kick you out of ketosis, but for how long? does it really matter if your daily total is still under 20 grams? You will still lose weight though, right? What if it is before your workout? etc...

 

[~SC~]

It's not the issue of losing WEIGHT, it's the issue of losing FAT........to lose FAT on a CKD, u need to be in ketosis, for that is the requirement of the diet. If you aren't, and are on sub-maintenance calories not reaching your ketosis and falling short, you run the risk of burning lean muslce mass as well as fatty tissue. You'll "lose weight", yes, but that doesn't mean you'll lose fat!

~SC~

 

[dirtyboi]

I'm just saying even if you had a meal with 20 grams but your daily total was still in the limit, it still would not have a large impact on your fat loss... IMO

 

[Mr.X]

ok, it will kick you out of ketosis, but for how long? does it really matter if your daily total is still under 20 grams? You will still lose weight though, right? What if it is before your workout? etc...

It can be days, hours, weeks, I couldn't tell you that because it varies from person to person. It does matter if you want to do a CKD and you spike your insulin, that insulin spike will cause ALL the fat you're taking in to be STORED; thus, making you very obese. I.e. a Mix of insulin and a LOT of fat is deadly.

Mr.X

 

[Mr.X]

I'm just saying even if you had a meal with 20 grams but your daily total was still in the limit, it still would not have a large impact on your fat loss... IMO

You're misunderstanding the limit:
20-30g cars PER DAY
NO more then 6g carbs per meal

The per meal is the important part, if you're out of ketosis the next step is fat gain.

Mr.X

 

[OXANDRIN]

that insulin spike will cause ALL the fat you're taking in to be STORED; thus, making you very obese. I.e. a Mix of insulin and a LOT of fat is deadly.

Mr.X

are you saying all fats are created equally?

cause i use muscle millk 3 scoops before and after my workouts and i have gotten considerably leaner since i started using it

 

[Mr.X]

are you saying all fats are created equally?

cause i use muscle millk 3 scoops before and after my workouts and i have gotten considerably leaner since i started using it

I'm not saying all fats are creating equal. However, if you have insulin spike in the body, whether you are taking in Omega3 or MCT or Olive oil or straight lard it will still be stored as fat.

Mr.X

 

[OXANDRIN]

i always thought fats lower insulin response. meaning if you consume a meal of fats and carbs say 25 grams each the insulin response would be far less than if you consumed just 25 grams of carbs alone.....

 

[Mr.X]

i always thought fats lower insulin response. meaning if you consume a meal of fats and carbs say 25 grams each the insulin response would be far less than if you consumed just 25 grams of carbs alone.....

Fats slow down digestion, the lowr insulin response is a results of a slower digestion process. Usually w/ insulin that has been released, fat can be stored....

Mr.X

 

[OXANDRIN]

i agree that fats and carbs are not a good mix if you are trying to get lean.

i know you are big on ketogenic diets and specifiacally the CKD and TKD diets.

i find for me 50-100 grams of carbs are low enough for fat loss

 

[Mr.X]

i agree that fats and carbs are not a good mix if you are trying to get lean.

i know you are big on ketogenic diets and specifiacally the CKD and TKD diets.

i find for me 50-100 grams of carbs are low enough for fat loss

For most ppl 50-100 will get them into ketosis in the long-run, so it's no biggie, just takes a while. Everyone is different and everyones' diets are different.

Mr.X

 

[IM Iron Man]

Also, peopel have different goals. Me I'm pretty lean and want to get into ketosis ASAP, therefore I'm preserving more muscle and burning more fat more days. If your gonna gonna be carbing up every week or 2, I think you woudl want to spend the majority of teh time being in ketosis, rather than getting in it again right before you kick yoruself out with the carb up.

 

[IM Iron Man]

Is muscle Milk good for anything? If you can get it really cheap or for free is it worth adding or is it basically a splurge meal?

 

[Mr.X]

Is muscle Milk good for anything? If you can get it really cheap or for free is it worth adding or is it basically a splurge meal?

It would work during a carb-up...

Mr.X

 

[dirtyboi]

ok, so what if you store some fat for an hour or two after you have a more than 6 gram carb meal. the body is going right back to those fat stores the rest of the 20 hours of the day. Short term you store some fat; long term it balances out. Ketosis isn't necessarily what causes fat loss it's the low calories.

 

[Mr.X]

ok, so what if you store some fat for an hour or two after you have a more than 6 gram carb meal. the body is going right back to those fat stores the rest of the 20 hours of the day. Short term you store some fat; long term it balances out. Ketosis isn't necessarily what causes fat loss it's the low calories.

That's not totally true; you might be out of ketosis for 24-48 hours - although an unlikely time frame, it's possible. Also, your body is not able to fluctuate different fuels for energy every hour of the day, so you're going to have a problem losing bodyfat in that case. Low-calories don't cause bodyfat in all instances; for example, too low of a caloric intake can cause starvation and so on. You have to make the difference in not generalizing diets and ketosis; by itself, ketosis is a wonder, working to shed bodyfat while retaining muscle mass - but if done wrong, it's pretty much useless and CAN backfire.

Mr.X

 

[IM Iron Man]

How can Muscle Milk be good on carb up swhen you want to limit your fat intake and bump the carb intake? MM has 18 grams of fat, making it very high for one meal on a carb up right? And this fat would then be stored as fat with all the carbs yoru taking in right?

 

[Mr.X]

How can Muscle Milk be good on carb up swhen you want to limit your fat intake and bump the carb intake? MM has 18 grams of fat, making it very high for one meal on a carb up right? And this fat would then be stored as fat with all the carbs yoru taking in right?

Eat it towards the end of your carb-up when you're suppose to be working w/ low-gi carbs. That's the whole point of the bar - to be a treat in the whole dieting regiment.

Mr.X

 

[georgie24]

i can stay in ketosis with 150-200 grams of carbs. you just have to be experienced and know your shit. so the point of ckd's are jibberish to me. when you can have carbs too

 

[Mr.X]

i can stay in ketosis with 150-200 grams of carbs. you just have to be experienced and know your shit. so the point of ckd's are jibberish to me. when you can have carbs too

If you can stay in ketosis w/ 200g carbs per day, more power to you, but in normal humans it's close to impossible unless insulin/high dose Ala is used w/ cardio and training to a high degree - even then it might be time ketosis.

Mr.X