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Gosh, MS blushes for the first time in months. Thanks. I learned basic biochemistry and nutrition a long time ago, and it took me a while. A summer school biochem intro course got me really interested in nutrition, and I went on to complete a dietetics degree. I quickly realized I didn't want to work in mainstream dietetics, so eventually went on to study biochemistry, then did a M.Sc majoring in genetics, followed by a Ph.D in pharmacology. I drift with the wind, and I'm a knowledge junkie. I am still (23 years on from that first summer school biochem course) totally fascinated by molecular biology/biochemistry. But I can also honestly say that I learned very little of practical relevance in my undergraduate courses, though I loved learning the theory so it was still worth while. I think a basic grounding in biochemistry, followed by an understanding of scientific method and scrutiny (eg when is a rat NOT like a human????) are also pretty valuable. I don't know how you aquire this other than designing your own experiments, writing them up and submitting them for peer reviewed publication (or rejection), though reading lots of scientific papers helps.
Oh yeah, I'm also a bodybuilder and semi-retired PT. I've 'experimented' a little on myself, friends and clients to test what works and what doesn't work for different folks. It's all good fun!
Oh yeah, I'm also a bodybuilder and semi-retired PT. I've 'experimented' a little on myself, friends and clients to test what works and what doesn't work for different folks. It's all good fun!
Yeah, I had a feeling it wasn't just "I've read alot on the Internet." I've been interested in that stuff for a while, but where I went to college, taking classes in departments where you couldn't "compete" was a daunting experience and I stuck with the humanities and social sciences. Its amazing, I've asked seamingly basic questions to friends in Med School, but it seems like the knowledge or maybe just experience isn't there. If I ever have a nutrition question at my gym, the trainers are totally clueless, even about the supplement drinks that they sell.
I have done searches on this, but they haven't really been resolved. Will consuming glycerine knock one out of ketosis?
I have done searches on this, but they haven't really been resolved. Will consuming glycerine knock one out of ketosis?
Hehehe, funnily enough I have landed myself in a research/teaching lab in a Med School. I know first hand how clueless your average med student and graduates are when it come to biochem/nutrition. Very sad IMHO.
To answer you question (sort of), glycerine will throw some folks out of ketosis, but not others. This is anecdotal and based on ketostix which are very 'rough' measurements of ketosis. Glycerine is one of the main by-products of fat burning, so your body is already producing a lot of this stuff while you're in ketosis. Clearly your natural production of glycerine is not usually a prob. Glycerine can be easily converted to glucose if that's what you body decides it needs, or it can hook up with free fatty acids (if they're in excess) and form triglycerides. This all happens in the liver, so any excess glucose created is likely to refill liver glycogen before muscle glycogen, which is OK if your thyroid conversion is a bit low (such as in ketosis), but not so good for post workout muscle refilling (which is also a prob while in ketosis). All in all glycerine is a mixed bag, and all you can do is try it for yourself and see how you tolerate it. You can see why the FDA has difficulty classifying this one. It's a sugar alcohol, and all alcohols are shifty characters in your body.
To answer you question (sort of), glycerine will throw some folks out of ketosis, but not others. This is anecdotal and based on ketostix which are very 'rough' measurements of ketosis. Glycerine is one of the main by-products of fat burning, so your body is already producing a lot of this stuff while you're in ketosis. Clearly your natural production of glycerine is not usually a prob. Glycerine can be easily converted to glucose if that's what you body decides it needs, or it can hook up with free fatty acids (if they're in excess) and form triglycerides. This all happens in the liver, so any excess glucose created is likely to refill liver glycogen before muscle glycogen, which is OK if your thyroid conversion is a bit low (such as in ketosis), but not so good for post workout muscle refilling (which is also a prob while in ketosis). All in all glycerine is a mixed bag, and all you can do is try it for yourself and see how you tolerate it. You can see why the FDA has difficulty classifying this one. It's a sugar alcohol, and all alcohols are shifty characters in your body.
hehehe...yah, she's loaded with info in that little head of hers. She is one of the most intelligent people on these boards!!! I've personally learned a ton from her myself, and above all, she is a great person to talk to. She is one of the main reasons why I frequent the diet and women's boards...so I can suck up her knowledge. There are only a few people on these boards that I really learn things from, and she is one of them. Maybe we'll get her to blush twice in 24 hours....Thanks MS!!!
One of the best ways that I have found to understand a lot of this nutrition info is to try out as much theories you can on your self and read every thing you can get your hands on. As MS mentioned, most of the info that is gathered from the BB world and fitness world is NOT taught in any kind of class at school. The hardest part is just trying to figure out the hyped up bullshit from that of the info which is valid. I probably spend an average of 2-3 hours just reading every day trying to learn as much as I can. I absolutely get a kick out of reading over the hundreds of on-line journals and pulling out my Bchem, micro, chem, biology, nutrition, and food science books and learning. As a nutrition and food science major, I have learned most of my knowledge from reading on my own, and from the biochemical and physiology aspects of education. My current direction is Research in Sports Nutrition and maybe food science. I just like the whole research part of things. Like MS mentioned, mainstream dietetics sux and is often times behind other bio majors. You can tell anyone how to eat, but you cannot make them do it. This really gets frustrating after you take out time to help people. Alright...i'm getting off topic...but yep, a lot of this stuff on these boards and mags is not your typical school taught info. And yep, MS is a golden gem to these boards....
MR. BMJ
One of the best ways that I have found to understand a lot of this nutrition info is to try out as much theories you can on your self and read every thing you can get your hands on. As MS mentioned, most of the info that is gathered from the BB world and fitness world is NOT taught in any kind of class at school. The hardest part is just trying to figure out the hyped up bullshit from that of the info which is valid. I probably spend an average of 2-3 hours just reading every day trying to learn as much as I can. I absolutely get a kick out of reading over the hundreds of on-line journals and pulling out my Bchem, micro, chem, biology, nutrition, and food science books and learning. As a nutrition and food science major, I have learned most of my knowledge from reading on my own, and from the biochemical and physiology aspects of education. My current direction is Research in Sports Nutrition and maybe food science. I just like the whole research part of things. Like MS mentioned, mainstream dietetics sux and is often times behind other bio majors. You can tell anyone how to eat, but you cannot make them do it. This really gets frustrating after you take out time to help people. Alright...i'm getting off topic...but yep, a lot of this stuff on these boards and mags is not your typical school taught info. And yep, MS is a golden gem to these boards....
MR. BMJ
I agree with you BMJ. It is a complicated world of info.
I consider myself a reasonably educated person, but when it comes to training, athletics, diet and supplementation, over my sports life and after, I have tended to latch on to whatever the last thing I read. I have gone for the "quick fix" with regard to anabolics, used to train everyday for 3 hours and either gorge myself with food or put myself on starvation diets.
When I was younger, everything I did seemed to work, but from 97-99, my life took a seriously painful turn for the worse with drugs and alcohol, which was probably not surprising given my manic tendencies. In the last few years, I've gotten my act back together, and one of the things that had helped keep me sober is the gym and the lifestyle around it. I certainly don't know alot, but I'm trying to learn.
I consider myself a reasonably educated person, but when it comes to training, athletics, diet and supplementation, over my sports life and after, I have tended to latch on to whatever the last thing I read. I have gone for the "quick fix" with regard to anabolics, used to train everyday for 3 hours and either gorge myself with food or put myself on starvation diets.
When I was younger, everything I did seemed to work, but from 97-99, my life took a seriously painful turn for the worse with drugs and alcohol, which was probably not surprising given my manic tendencies. In the last few years, I've gotten my act back together, and one of the things that had helped keep me sober is the gym and the lifestyle around it. I certainly don't know alot, but I'm trying to learn.
MR BMJ scores a double-blush In case Bill W hasn't seen ya around much, I'll point out that MR BMJ is nearly a full-fledged dietician/nutritionist/food scientist. He's also a bodybuilder and we're fortunate enough that he graces these boards. If I were you I would take advantage of his fresh knowledge (my theory is pretty stale and outdated).
Kudos to you Bill W for getting your life back on track. Having a strong focus in your life is the best way to stay on track IMHO. Bodybuilding can be an obsession, and drugs, alcohol, mania, depression, binging etc... can creep in if you don't set your goals right from the beginning. I suspect a lot of wanna-be pros fall into this trap because their goals are to become the biggest and best at any cost, rather than to be the best looking healthy body possible. As long as you keep your health at the forefront of you goals, then bodybuilding is a great obssesion!
In case Bill W hasn't seen ya around much, I'll point out that MR BMJ is nearly a full-fledged dietician/nutritionist/food scientist. He's also a bodybuilder and we're fortunate enough that he graces these boards. If I were you I would take advantage of his fresh knowledge (my theory is pretty stale and outdated).Kudos to you Bill W for getting your life back on track. Having a strong focus in your life is the best way to stay on track IMHO. Bodybuilding can be an obsession, and drugs, alcohol, mania, depression, binging etc... can creep in if you don't set your goals right from the beginning. I suspect a lot of wanna-be pros fall into this trap because their goals are to become the biggest and best at any cost, rather than to be the best looking healthy body possible. As long as you keep your health at the forefront of you goals, then bodybuilding is a great obssesion!
Exercise/Nutrition Degree
Hi MS and all,
After reading over MS's impressive resume of degrees in nutrition and such, I was wondering what you all would recommend for someone looking to persue a degree in exercise nutrition/physiology in graduate school (I'm currently a senior at Boston University studying journalism, but I have become totally fascinated with exercise and nutrition over the past two years and am looking to further my education in that area). Also, any good schools you would recommend to look at for pursuing such a degree?
-Anybody else who can provide some advice is more than welcome as well.
Thanks.
-jcregs
Hi MS and all,
After reading over MS's impressive resume of degrees in nutrition and such, I was wondering what you all would recommend for someone looking to persue a degree in exercise nutrition/physiology in graduate school (I'm currently a senior at Boston University studying journalism, but I have become totally fascinated with exercise and nutrition over the past two years and am looking to further my education in that area). Also, any good schools you would recommend to look at for pursuing such a degree?
-Anybody else who can provide some advice is more than welcome as well.
Thanks.
-jcregs
