MS and ready to juice

[SUPERDIMI]

Hello everyone,

I been looking at these boards for like a month now. I got multiple sclerosis and this website has been a wealth of information for my health. The type of ms I have is slow and steady progressing. So in otherwards I don't have attacks.

Getting right to the point, I am now completely convinced that juicing will be of great benefit. Why not? I am able to workout and because of that I am still strong in my muscles. My balance is not all that great and I catherize myself. My candlestick no workie, but hey, my workouts have kept my body strong.

I looked in the archives and somebody recommended oxandrin and deca (or primo) as a cycle for people who have ms. I was wondering if someone could recommend a cycle for me. I can't have prostrate problems (I have enough to deal with down there)l, so I definitely don't want do use anything that cause those kind of problems. I don't want any suppression of my natural test levels.

I am 25, 6'0, 155lbs, 8% bodyfat, been working out for about 2 years. My experiences so far have been that I have lost weight and gained strength (used to be 185lbs but 17% bf). My workouts are not limited, I workout hard (1hr-1.5hr) and it has only benifited me. (btw diet is extremely clean, efa's, high protein, low sat fat, low carbs, fruits and veggies)

Please somebody recommend a good cycle with how much to take and how long to take it. Do I need any anti-e's, you know stuff like that. It would greatly be appreciated. I go to the doctor and they just hand me a cane and tell me "too bad so sad" basically.

Any questions, comments, whatever, feel free. I check this website all the time. I just want to get a real good answer to what I need to do.

Thanks,
D

 

[CLOBRO]

Hey bro,
I'm hoping a doctor who is familiar with MS and juicing will chime in here. I am very interested in this topic as my sisters husband has MS and I have long thought that roids would benefit him. I believe his type of MS is the same as yours, slow and progressing.
I know if I was diagnosed with MS, I would probably stay on the juice. I know Montel Williams is on HRT to help keep up his muscle mass because he has MS.
Good luck with whatever cycle you decide on and I wish you good health for the future. Let me know how it works out for you so I can pass it along to the person I know who has MS.

 

[SUPERDIMI]

I posted this message about a week ago. I didn't worry about getting a response because I just kept researching.

It looks like I'm going to decide on doing just an anavar cycle. So if somebody can just look at my stats in the first post of this thread and suggest how to go about that. mg? frequency of dosage? I'm assuming that 8 weeks is how long I should take it. Do I need to get any other substances to take with the anavar? I read what people been saying about taking the creatine with the var. what about clomid?

My goal is strength. I hope I can start making some money here and consider a primo, var, hcg cycle. I don't know, but maybe the growth hormone could influence some nerve regeneration.

Hey, and I forgot to mention, thanks for the kind words Clobro. I'll let everyone know how the cycle works for me.

 

[Quadsweep]

I would think 20mg Anavar Per Day and 200 mg Primobolan per week would be an awsome cycle for you with no sides. I think it is great you are battaling this disease and not giving in or giving up as many people would.

Quad

 

[SUPERDIMI]

I wanted to bump this one more time. To see if anyone else has input. Sorry if anthing I'm asking looks repeated, just making sure I am doing everthing right.

If I do just anavar, do I need to increase 20mg/day to 30.

If I do the primo, anavar cycle and I'm able to get some gh. How do I incorporate that?

I'm assuming I won't need clomid or anything post cycle or during the cycle.

Everything will done in an 8 week cycle.


This site is awesome and you guys are great. If I got the lingo down pat "y'all are some good bro's".

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

I would still use clomid as a post cycle. It will help the other gyno effects that could happen.

Way to be bro. You might have just become some insparation to me.
Not only that, but all the little kids who come on here asking for juice at the age of 18, they should follow you. You have more dedication then they do and thier health is perfect. You have put the effort in and have been training for 2 years. Way to be!!!

Keep on posting let us know how everything goes.


Some get this guy some Karma!!!

 

[champion]

bump someone has to have some knowladge here

 

[JohnyJuice]

I would think 20mg Anavar Per Day and 200 mg Primobolan per week would be an awsome cycle for you with no sides. I think it is great you are battaling this disease and not giving in or giving up as many people would.

Quad

You sure primo would be a good idea? Primo is a DHT derivative if i am not mistaken. DHT goes after the prostate, and he said he didnt want anything messing with that, due to problems he already has down there. I may be wrong about all this, as i know you are a knowledgeable dude.

Some things i thought i would throw in....
1. See if you can get a prescription for anavar. I dont see why not, they prescribe it for other things.
2. Anyone try deca and anavar together? Sounds like a good combo to me. Low sides, effective, etc.
3. You said you didnt want anything to mess with your natural test production. I dont know if that is possible if you hit the sauce. I guess anavar would be in order. not sure about dosing however.
4. you are working out for too long of a period. Your workout shouldnt exceed an hour. Go over to the training board and check out the 5x5 routine and the DC training method. I strarted the DC method about 3-4 weeks ago and i am up 10lbs, juice free.

Good luck to you.

 

[thelegacy]

Man i say go for it and do it--you'll end up lovin it trust me-- just be smart bout it which you already are.....that just pisses me off about the "too bad so sad" lines the docs give you---screw em'.

 

[zen42]

Super,

What are you currently taking for your MS?

Zen

 

[SUPERDIMI]

I want to tell everyone thanks. It feels like I got people cheering for me and believe me it's a big help. I feel invigorated.

Zen,

I was on copaxone, but the doctor wanted to switch me to betaserone. You get flu-like symptoms from that. That's just something I couldn't deal with because I know this working out thing is the only thing that has kept me where I'm at plus strength gains. I wound stopping everything. I take gabapentin (nuerotin) 600mgs daily. It's for spasms (tightness in my legs). I could live without it though and the University of Chicago doctor says cool. I see him once in a great while. My regular doc is at the VA hospital.(Dirtbag)

I have primary progressive ms(meds are for the other form of ms anyway). The mri I had recently doesn't show active inflammation. When I get a cold or get stressed is when this seems to make it's progression.

I'm seeing an anavar only cycle as king for me right now. I know they are using "test" at UCLA for clinical trials. I can't get any info on how that's going. They are doing things with gh in Mexico for ms. Most other trials are stupid. I won't even mention them.
"It's more money in the treatment then the cure."(c)Chris Rock

I want to hold this thing off until some "real" treatment comes along. I think, if anyone can make A.S. work for them for this condition, I'm willing to put in the work.


Keep up the good work everyone else on this board. You guys are the coolest.

D

 

[zen42]

Caution!

Super,

As you know, MS is more common in women than men. Also, women's symptoms are reduced during pregnancy. There are direct correlations between the progression of the disease and hormones (steroids).

I did a *short* search through the medical literature on steriods and MS. It appears that taking steroids will probably affect the course of your disease, in some cases making your MS *worse*.

Unfortunately, it would take a careful reading of many studies, not just the abstracts to make a half-way intelligent recommendation in regards to Steroids & MS.

Some of what I found in a brief review of abstracts...

Estrodiol and progesterone affect the course of the disease. A high E to P ratio translates to more lesions. Yet, high levels of Estrodiol & progesterone (such as during pregnancy) seems to reduce symptoms. Estriol, which is a combined estrogen agonist/antagonist seems to be protective. Lowering TNF-Alpha & Nitros Oxide production appears to be protective. An androsten variant was protective. HPTA axis is altered in MS patients with MS patients having more cortisol.Testosterone may be protective. Progesterone may make the cells more suseptible to MS damage.

My unprofessional, unmedical opinion on steroids and their effects on MS:

Testosterone...limited evidence that it won't hurt, might help as long as you don't take so much you start converting it to Estrogen.

Winny (Stanozolol)...Nothing on Winny & MS. Winny seems to have a synergistic effect on glucocorticosteroids. There is an interaction between the glucocorticoid receptor & MS. Because either an agonist or antagonist might help or hurt MS it's hard to say it's effect on the disease.

Deca...Probably a bad idea. (Same with 19-norandrostendiol, etc.) I would avoid anything that would increase Progesterone levels.

EQ...No evidence (it hasn't been studied in this context) that it would be harmful.

Trenbolone...This is an interesting one. It's a powerful anti-cortisol which means it might be beneficial. It is also anti-glucocorticoid, I don't know if it would help or hurt. If I had to guess, it is probably slightly more likely to help than hurt. Either way, it's effect probably isn't neutral.

Oxandrolone...Hard to say, probably do more harm than good.

Conclusion...

I'm not a doctor and I can't vouch for any of this. The medical research is still trying to understand the effect of hormones and MS.

Whatever you do be cautious and careful. You should seriously consider not even taking any steroids, but if you do choose wisely.

Zen

 

[SUPERDIMI]

Wow,

Thanks for all that info Zen. I'ma study up. All is not lost. Maybe I'll do a 2 week d-bol, test prop cycle. I'm scared of tren. I got a lot to think about. Montel's getting an email right now see if he knows something.

When I decide something, I'ma let everyone know if this really worked or not. I want to send this thing back to hell where it belongs.

Thanks for all the love and support everyone. I'll be back.

D

 

[zen42]

No problem...

I'm uncomfortable making any suggestions in this circumstance, but I hope you can take the info and make a more informed decision.

 

[JohnyJuice]

No problem...

I'm uncomfortable making any suggestions in this circumstance, but I hope you can take the info and make a more informed decision.

Agreed.

And SuperDIMI, if you dont want anything effecting you prostate, like you stated earlier, i would rethink using DBOL.

 

[T2O]

I would just think the anavars at 20mgs ed and creatine..... Wouldn't mess with anything else with out some serious research. I only commented on this to bump er up

 

[THeMaCHinE]

Note: All steroids will affect your natural test production.

You may be in a situation where if you start, it's better to stay on (so don't go kamikazee).

You may want to consider liquidex/letrozole if estrogen sides are an issue; bromelain if progestin-induced sides are an issue (I don't have any direct experience with bromelain so you may need to ask around).

You would need to research these topics though, I don't have any direct experience.

As an aside, Dr. Barry Sears has indicated pharmeceutical-grade fish oil as a treatement for MS; 10 grams/day from long-chain Omega-3s (not short-chain like in flax) has evidently done some good things for those afflicted. I'm short on time, but I'll try to dig up the reference for you later; you may be able to find it in the archives.

Don't rush into anything without really knowing ... I hope all works out well.