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Motorcycles--Need Advice

mrjoker5150

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I am contemplating buying a motorcycle. I have wanted one for a long time, and always held off because I currently live in Jersey. However in a few months I am moving to San Diego, where weather is not that much of a factor.

Anyway, I would like a sportbike, but have no idea what to buy. I would like to be around $5K, and could care less if it is used. I don't want to buy something small, and have to trade up in a few months, and I don't want to buy a 1000 cc missle-bike that I am scared to death of. Any input would be appreciated.
 
well, used definetly.

look for a 600cc bike for starters, or maybe an SV650. the honda CBR600F3s are good starter bikes. they were made from 95-98. i've ridden one, they are VERY forgiving. i currently own a 99 CBR600F4 and i'm glad i didn't start out on it, as it's much more rigid than the F3 and while it is forgiving, it isn't quite as forgiving.

i've heard good things about the suzuki SV650. it's a half naked bike, makes good torque, and it's supposed to be good for beginners and experts (i know a guy that races one, he loves it).

stay away from kawasakis. they're overweight pigs.

how tall are you? i'm 5'6" and i can barely flat foot both feet on my F4. if i do flat foot it, my grollies are imbedded in the tank. not necessary to flat foot both feet though. i can balance at a stop with the ball of one foot on the ground and nothing else. i rode an XR650 a few years back and if i put one foot on the ground, the bike was tilted over big time, but somehow i managed to get it going every time w/out problem (the XR is an enduro bike, on and off road, and sucks at both!).

gear is extremely important. leather...head to toe, and a solid helmet. full fingered leather gloves are a MUST. look for ones that have armor in them. you might balk at spending $100 on a pair of gloves, but if they hit the tarmac, you'll be glad you had them (i shredded a pair of $110 gloves when i went down on Laguna Seca...it sucked, but my hands were unscathed.) helmets....depends on how much you value your head. if you have a $20 head, wear a $20 helmet, at least that's how the saying goes. look for quality in a helmet. Shoei and AGV are both good. Arai is very good, but i've heard a lot of complaints about them too. you want a helmet that is at least SNELL 2000 rated. boots are a must. something full leather definetly. you don't need $200 racing boots for the street, but something sturdy definetly. as far as covering the rest of you....

jeans are weak, but do-able. you'll shred through a pair of jeans like cutting warm butter. been there, done that. doesn't feel good, but sometimes dressing up in full leather just isn't feasible on the street.

jacket is very important. if you're moving to san diego, it's gonna suck wearing a leather jacket in that heat (believe me, i know) but better safe than sorry. don't wear a Wilson's jacket. you'll shred it quick. find a sturdy motorcycle jacket that's breathable (a lot out there are perforated) and something that's got some body armor built into it. spending $2-300 on a jacket sounds like a lot, but it's cheaper and less painful than a skin graft.

why all this talk about gear and crashing? you dress up to go down. PERIOD. everything you put on should be able to hold up in a crash. i hear so many people say "well, it won't happen to me." BULLSHIT. if you're not willing to suit up for safety, you probably shouldn't be on a bike. if you think you'll never crash, you shouldn't be on a bike. i'm not trying to bash you or flame you, and i'm sorry i'm going off a little bit here, but i hear too many people not giving a shit about safety when they get on a bike. they tossed the helmet law in PA a few months ago, and i've seen so many IDIOTS riding around without helmets it makes me sick. yeah, it's your life and you can do whatever you want with it, but it sucks when my insurance rates go up because of these accidents and extensive injuries that could've been prevented by wearing the proper gear. i don't suit up in all my gear to protect me from myself. i suit up to protect me from the person in a car that isn't paying attention and almost takes my life. you wouldn't believe how many times i've almost gotten hit because someone in a car wasn't paying attention to the road.

long post, but i wanted to stress the importance of gear over anything. plan to spend $800 on some good riding gear and go for a bike that's a bit cheaper. you can find good ones for $4k easily.

look for a motorcycle safety class also. i know they have them in San Diego. the benifit of taking a beginner class is you get to use one of their bikes. if you drop it, oh well. it wasn't yours :) taking a beginner class before you get your own motorcycle has it's advantages as well. you will have no bad habits to break and you'll learn a lot.

hope i've helped out a little. i've been riding for almost 5 years (took last year off though, sucked), so really that's 4 years riding experience. i've got about 40K miles under my ass on 2 wheels. i don't know everything, but i've got some experience.

Mike
 
Thanks, great info.

What am I going to pay for insurance? Assuming I get a 600 cc, CBR, or something like that, what am I looking at?
 
That will depend on a lot of factors including age, sex, location, driving record and bike chosen. The most important thing is to shop around a lot if you think the qoutes you are getting are unreasonable. I pay $370/year for full coverage on my 03 R1. State Farm seems to have better rates than most and have always given me great rates. Rate very more than you could imagine.


As crak600 said, a used 600 would be great. By some gear(safety, not juice) and consider taking a motorcycle safety course to get you licence. That should help keep the new ride shiney. Good luck and don't be a squid:)
 
depends on your age, driving record, and insurance company. when i first started riding, my insurance in so cal was around $550/yr for liability only on a 1985 VF1000R. when i got my F4, i was paying just over $100/mo for full coverage. couple tix and a license suspension later, i was paying just over $200/mo for full coverage. i was 21 when i first got on 2 wheels. my most recent quote for liability only was i believe $400-ish a year and that was through Progressive. i havn't had it insured in over a year because it hasn't been on the road. i think i could pull full coverage on it for about $1k/yr right now considering my age and that my driving record is improving.

just make sure whatever you get, you aren't afraid to crash it. by that, i mean you want something that's cheap and used to start off with. i hate to say it, but it's not a matter of If you go down, but it's a matter of WHEN you go down. there's 3 kinds of riders....those that have gone down, those that will go down, and those that have gone down and will go down again (most people just say the first 2, i added the third type of rider because i know how true it is).

just be humble in your approach to a motorcycle. too many people get on a bike with the wrong attitude and bad things happen.

buddy of mine said it right once. we were talking about riding, and i said "man, i wanna start learning how to wheelie and do stoppies so i can look cool." he said "when you're on a sport bike, you look cool enough already. don't worry about that stuff." he's right for the most part.

i can't wheelie very good, and as far as doing stoppies....i get ultra paranoid when doing them, although for a while i was getting good. i gave up on that stuff though. to me, the ability to pull a wheelie and ride it for miles doesn't say how good of a rider you are. i prefer to go out and ride to MY limits, not past them and not to someone else's limits. riding that way has improved my abilities. riding over my head has gotten me into trouble. i know i've improved a lot over the years though. was out one day on a nice twisty road and was following 3 larger bikes (they had me outpowered completely, but i kept up with them pretty good.) i dropped into a left hand uphill 90 degree turn. back tire slid out on me prolly 8-10" and i didn't even flinch. i merely rolled on the throttle and kept going. i've learned that through experience, as a lesser experienced rider would've freaked out and tossed the bike. and i myself would've done exactly that a year or two earlier. experience and having a humble approach to a motorcycle are essential. even the most experienced riders get into accidents though. when someone begins to think they are invincible or beyond an accident, that's when it happens.

occasionaly i use a public roadway for my own personal enjoyment (and it's completely illegial when you compare my speed to the posted speed limits). i reserve this for occasional rides though, it is not an everyday affair. so what if the bike is capable of a 156mph top speed (i've been there about a dozen times, scary shit). i've done triple digit speeds on interstates and freeways and it resulted in tickets and high insurance rates. i've learned the hard way. learn from my mistakes :) especially with the gear. the scar on my left knee is almost gone now, but i can still see it, and that mishap occured over 4 years ago.

but once you prepare yourself gear wise and learn the bike, riding is awesome. i have never regretted learning how to ride. hitting a backroad and having fun are the ultimate pleasure. you can really get away from everything. it's definetly a stress relief, because you have to put so much focus and concentration into riding, it clears your mind of everything else.

also, there are always track days. you'll pay anywhere from $100-250 to get on the track for the day, but it's worth it. spend maybe 6 to 8 20 or 30 minute sessions blazing around as fast as you can, leaned 1/2 degree away from destruction, hitting triple digit speeds, dragging your knee around corners, all in a controlled environment....nothing beats that. it's costly, but worth every penny. and you learn a lot about how your bike handles and how you react. fun stuff. makes it all worth it.
 
HA! yeah, i could've used that a few times...lol

it's scary when the speedo rises faster than the tach, and both rise that fast...amazing speed.
 
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