More racism bs

[hanselthecaretaker]

Women’s tour CEO Larry Scott reacts to Richard Williams’ remarks on racism

Mar 20, 10:49 pm EDT

INDIAN WELLS, Calif. (AP)—WTA head Larry Scott said Thursday that he strongly disagrees with comments made by Richard Williams, father of Serena and Venus, regarding racism on the women’s tour.

Saying he was disappointed by Williams’ recent remarks during an interview in India, Scott said in a statement: “The Tour has a zero tolerance policy when it comes to racism, and I have previously let Mr. Williams know that he should let me know if he ever had evidence of racist comments or acts in women’s professional tennis.”

While his daughters were playing earlier this month in Bangladore, India, where Venus reached the quarterfinals and Serena won the title, Williams told the Deccan Herald, “Well, I’m black and I’m prejudiced, very prejudiced. People are prejudiced in tennis. I don’t think Venus or Serena was ever accepted by tennis. They never will be.”

He said the media treated his daughters unfairly, that it was “the worst media job that they have done on any human being in the world,” and that if he were Serena and Venus, he would have quit playing.

“But if you get some little white no-good trasher in America like Tracy Austin or Chris Evert, who cannot hit the ball, they (the media) will claim this is great,” he said.

Scott said, “Champions like Chris Evert and Tracy Austin have done so much to help build women’s tennis to where it is today, and it is regrettable that anyone would criticize them in this manner.”

The Williams sisters haven’t played at Indian Wells since 2001. They were booed after Venus pulled out of a semifinal match against her sister, citing knee tendinitis. Serena went on to win the title, but was booed during and after the championship match.


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Why is it always black people who whine the loudest about race? Ok, sure there was slavery.....about a century and a half ago. By contrast, the evil U.S. also nuked Japan into oblivion a little over a half century ago, but you don't hear them complaining about race issues, or much in general. Nope, they just start up a company like Sony out of the rubble and become a giant in one industry after another.
There's something to be said about that kind of resiliency.

 

[-SD-]

why is the entire continent of Africa for shit.Theres gotta be 50 countries on that continent and not a one of them is worth a fuck. No other continent has that sort of all encompassing shittiness.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

why is the entire continent of Africa for shit.Theres gotta be 50 countries on that continent and not a one of them is worth a fuck. No other continent has that sort of all encompassing shittiness.

Racist.

 

[-SD-]

Racist.

im serious i want to know why.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

im serious i want to know why.

The Way It Is
B. R. Hornsby

Standing in line marking time--
Waiting for the welfare dime
'Cause they can't buy a job
The man in the silk suit hurries by
As he catches the poor old ladies' eyes
Just for fun he says "Get a job"

That's just the way it is
Some things will never change
That's just the way it is
But don't you believe them

They say hey little boy you can't go
Where the others go
'Cause you don't look like they do
Said hey old man how can you stand
To think that way
Did you really think about it
Before you made the rules
He said, Son

That's just the way it is
Some things will never change
That's just the way it is
But don't you believe them

Well they passed a law in '64
To give those who ain't got a little more
But it only goes so far
Because the law another's mind
When all it sees at the hiring time
Is the line on the color bar

That's just the way it is
Some things will never change
That's just the way it is
But don't you believe them

 

[Hengst]

im serious i want to know why.

There are 2 basic yet completely different reasons.

1. Theory 1 - this is the prevalent THEORY and the one being taught in schools, supported by the media but has no empirical data to support it. Basically, it states all of Africa's (and by extension all africans) current circumstances are directly related to the 'effects' of colonialism, the 'legacy of slavery' and basically the evilness of white men. They are all victims and therefore not responsible for their circumstances.

2. Theory 2 - is less accepted, indeed people who express this theory are usually vilified despite the fact that there is overwhelming empirical evidence to support it. Basically, it states that there are inherent genetic differences between the races and that the africans lack (as a group) the cognative ability to support, maintain or develop a society as complex and sophisticated as those in the west.

 

[Razorguns]

It's politically correct to put down whitey.

1) white middle class people are wussies and take it

2) makes good news stories.

how many countries allow black immigration? and america is racist. lol!

ask mr williams to try get his daughters to live in india with mediocre income, and see what racism is really like.

wanna see racism - leave the borders.

r

 

[mydawgs]

There are 2 basic yet completely different reasons.

1. Theory 1 - this is the prevalent THEORY and the one being taught in schools, supported by the media but has no empirical data to support it. Basically, it states all of Africa's (and by extension all africans) current circumstances are directly related to the 'effects' of colonialism, the 'legacy of slavery' and basically the evilness of white men. They are all victims and therefore not responsible for their circumstances.

2. Theory 2 - is less accepted, indeed people who express this theory are usually vilified despite the fact that there is overwhelming empirical evidence to support it. Basically, it states that there are inherent genetic differences between the races and that the africans lack (as a group) the cognative ability to support, maintain or develop a society as complex and sophisticated as those in the west.

The theories are well stated. I guess my internal struggle is with the meaning of the terms "complex and sophisticated" with respect to the measure of quality of life. As a technologist I believe it is human nature to go further and to push the envelope but is this "better". In many instances yes but also devestating as well. My lineage is American Indian based. If you look at the hystorical life style of the American Indian, although barbaric by Western standards was indeed efficient and had IMO goodness. They only used what they needed from the enviroment and took care to honor and respect the earths resources, it was the Western culture that considered this inferior, thus not as "good" and the resulting struggle and final results became another page in hystory.

Humans as a speices will always seek to dominate those that are different and have less ability to maintain their way of life if they are tactically inferior to those that would try and dominate.....but is the dominators way of life "superior" or "better"?

Racism is simply prejudice based on the assumption that their are taxonomic differences between different groups of people, and the dominating groups consider themselves intrinsically superior.

Are they? Or is there "goodness" from each lifestyle that could be synergised to make a better whole.......

 

[milo hobgoblin]

There are 2 basic yet completely different reasons.

1. Theory 1 - this is the prevalent THEORY and the one being taught in schools, supported by the media but has no empirical data to support it. Basically, it states all of Africa's (and by extension all africans) current circumstances are directly related to the 'effects' of colonialism, the 'legacy of slavery' and basically the evilness of white men. They are all victims and therefore not responsible for their circumstances.

2. Theory 2 - is less accepted, indeed people who express this theory are usually vilified despite the fact that there is overwhelming empirical evidence to support it. Basically, it states that there are inherent genetic differences between the races and that the africans lack (as a group) the cognative ability to support, maintain or develop a society as complex and sophisticated as those in the west.

good post.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

There are 2 basic yet completely different reasons.

1. Theory 1 - this is the prevalent THEORY and the one being taught in schools, supported by the media but has no empirical data to support it. Basically, it states all of Africa's (and by extension all africans) current circumstances are directly related to the 'effects' of colonialism, the 'legacy of slavery' and basically the evilness of white men. They are all victims and therefore not responsible for their circumstances.

2. Theory 2 - is less accepted, indeed people who express this theory are usually vilified despite the fact that there is overwhelming empirical evidence to support it. Basically, it states that there are inherent genetic differences between the races and that the africans lack (as a group) the cognative ability to support, maintain or develop a society as complex and sophisticated as those in the west.

For most of the past century (especially in the U.S.) we've collectively backed Theory 1.
In all of history before that, we've collectively backed Theory 2.

Now, judging from these acknowledgments, can we honestly say our society and furthermore the world is in any better shape.

 

[javaguru]

why is the entire continent of Africa for shit.Theres gotta be 50 countries on that continent and not a one of them is worth a fuck. No other continent has that sort of all encompassing shittiness.

I'm sure Rev White would claim European/White oppression and racism. That's a fundamental tenent that Black Liberation Theology believes. You can form your own opinion on someone that spends twenty years in that theology and considers Rev White his spiritual leader and important enough to name his biography based on one of his sermons.

 

[binö]

I'm sure Rev White would claim European/White oppression and racism. That's a fundamental tenent that Black Liberation Theology believes. You can form your own opinion on someone that spends twenty years in that theology and considers Rev White his spiritual leader and important enough to name his biography based on one of his sermons.

imo, the societies that were colonized are better off today
india is a perfect example of this, same with the usa and canada

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

The theories are well stated. I guess my internal struggle is with the meaning of the terms "complex and sophisticated" with respect to the measure of quality of life. As a technologist I believe it is human nature to go further and to push the envelope but is this "better". In many instances yes but also devestating as well. My lineage is American Indian based. If you look at the hystorical life style of the American Indian, although barbaric by Western standards was indeed efficient and had IMO goodness. They only used what they needed from the enviroment and took care to honor and respect the earths resources, it was the Western culture that considered this inferior, thus not as "good" and the resulting struggle and final results became another page in hystory.

Humans as a speices will always seek to dominate those that are different and have less ability to maintain their way of life if they are tactically inferior to those that would try and dominate.....but is the dominators way of life "superior" or "better"?

Racism is simply prejudice based on the assumption that their are taxonomic differences between different groups of people, and the dominating groups consider themselves intrinsically superior.

Are they? Or is there "goodness" from each lifestyle that could be synergised to make a better whole.......

It depends on how much of the material life people are willing to lose. I myself personally agree with you in a lot of respects; we are having a tough time keeping our society of excess together, but you take the good with the bad in the pursuit of what we believe is advancement. Where it gets complicated is with the race factor. Historically not all races have had that same pursuit, and now we're all living together, trying to get everyone on the same page.
It depends on how much time and energy we're willing to invest (or waste?) getting there.

 

[jnevin]

Spain almost had their grand prixs yoinked from them because fans wore black face and heckled Lewis Hamilton when he pitted for his practice rounds.

But the U.S. is racist.

Can you imagine the swift ass whoopery a group of people would receive if they littered one of our stadiums with neo nazi literature and screamed racial insults to our athletes? They do it at every soccer match in Europe.

 

[binö]

Spain almost had their grand prixs yoinked from them because fans wore black face and heckled Lewis Hamilton when he pitted for his practice rounds.

But the U.S. is racist.

Can you imagine the swift ass whoopery a group of people would receive if they littered one of our stadiums with neo nazi literature and screamed racial insults to our athletes? They do it at every soccer match in Europe.

they (spainards/english/germans) have been known to make gorilla and monkey noises when black soccer players play against their home teams.
pretty fuggin disgusting...but of course, america is evil, euros are enlightened!!@#

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Spain almost had their grand prixs yoinked from them because fans wore black face and heckled Lewis Hamilton when he pitted for his practice rounds.

But the U.S. is racist.

Can you imagine the swift ass whoopery a group of people would receive if they littered one of our stadiums with neo nazi literature and screamed racial insults to our athletes? They do it at every soccer match in Europe.

Our race problems are more political than physical compared to other countries. Are we really any further ahead? We still have plenty of race crimes that clog up the judicial system and make lawyers rich. What do the victims get. We have the most social inequality because we're trying to please everyone. Someone's always bound to get shit on.

 

[javaguru]

imo, the societies that were colonized are better off today
india is a perfect example of this, same with the usa and canada

I agree, they provided infrastructure and beauracracies that many local inhabits worked within and gained experience administering the colonies. I won't deny they were exploited for natural resources and cheap labor but what minority hasn't been exploited at some point in history. Some of the worst problems came from humanitarian efforts such as vaccinations taht increased the populations without the people having adequate knowledge of advanced agricultural techniques to increase food yield and not deplete the land. Also, in many instances the colonials handled their withdrawal poorly and the power vacuum sparked civil wars that devestated the countries while creating greater ethnic rifts. This country was wounded for decades after the end of our civil war and many Southerners are still bitter about "the war of Northern aggression."

 

[mydawgs]

It depends on how much of the material life people are willing to lose. I myself personally agree with you in a lot of respects; we are having a tough time keeping our society of excess together, but you take the good with the bad in the pursuit of what we believe is advancement. Where it gets complicated is with the race factor. Historically not all races have had that same pursuit, and now we're all living together, trying to get everyone on the same page.
It depends on how much time and energy we're willing to invest (or waste?) getting there.

Another way to look at it perhaps....

How much material life could be enhanced? I am a strong advocate of advancement but believe the opportunities enabled by difference are endless. The time it takes to understand our differences and implement change in a posative manner is the ultimate human challange, it is the essence of the human struggle towards utopia and it is the journey that provides the opportunity for growth. I sure hope it is not a waste....

 

[Dial_tone]

Why is it always black people who whine the loudest about race?

Here at EF it's the exact opposite.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Another way to look at it perhaps....

How much material life could be enhanced? I am a strong advocate of advancement but believe the opportunities enabled by difference are endless. The time it takes to understand our differences and implement change in a posative manner is the ultimate human challange, it is the essence of the human struggle towards utopia and it is the journey that provides the opportunity for growth. I sure hope it is not a waste....

It depends where you look. America is certainly different from any other country. Perhaps if we locked our borders and waited an indefinite # of generations we could all find common ground and work together...but is that possible in our global society? Taking geographical/biological factors into consideration, the world is just too big and diverse for everyone to turn out the same. Put Scandinavians in Africa and after enough generations they will be forced to adapt physically, or risk dying out. Race is a result of the adaption to one's surroundings. Why this is such a bad thing is completely ridiculous. We should all have a place in the world. It'd be a miracle for America to pull off the multicultural movement, considering every other attempt in history has failed. We're making strides in some respects but like I said, the inherent problems associated with this ideology will also hold us back if it's not in a completely controlled environment.

 

[mydawgs]

It depends where you look. America is certainly different from any other country. Perhaps if we locked our borders and waited an indefinite # of generations we could all find common ground and work together...but is that possible in our global society? Taking geographical/biological factors into consideration, the world is just too big and diverse for everyone to turn out the same. Put Scandinavians in Africa and after enough generations they will be forced to adapt physically, or risk dying out. Race is a result of the adaption to one's surroundings. Why this is such a bad thing is completely ridiculous. We should all have a place in the world. It'd be a miracle for America to pull off the multicultural movement, considering every other attempt in history has failed. We're making strides in some respects but like I said, the inherent problems associated with this ideology will also hold us back if it's not in a completely controlled environment.

You misunderstand me, I am not foolish enough to think or want ONE integrated culture or way of life...what I am saying is many different cultures can peacfully coexist side by side by A) understanding the other and B) adopting those advantageous characteristics of one or the other culture to the adopters advantage. A and B work together. I say we as a culture tend to view difference as something to be feared and then over taken, it is a breeding ground for strife. It is like a marriage, I have found those that are the most successful are NOT where two try and become one, but two that become a better two by learning from each other.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

You misunderstand me, I am not foolish enough to think or want ONE integrated culture or way of life...what I am saying is many different cultures can peacfully coexist side by side by A) understanding the other and B) adopting those advantageous characteristics of one or the other culture to the adopters advantage. A and B work together. I say we as a culture tend to view difference as something to be feared and then over taken, it is a breeding ground for strife. It is like a marriage, I have found those that are the most successful are NOT where two try and become one, but two that become a better two by learning from each other.

I see what you mean. It can be both interesting and beneficial to sample other cultures, and take the good from each, make a societal stew and serve it up. However, there must always be a dominant culture in every society. One for all newcomers to assimilate to. Otherwise it's a tangled mess where the saying "try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one" rings true. What we have in America is many incoming minorities who don't want to put American culture before their own. Such is the case with the language problem as a prime example. I wouldn't be surprised if one day we have two teachers in every classroom. One for people who speak English, and another for those who can only speak Spanish. You may laugh, but we're not far from it.

 

[mydawgs]

I see what you mean. It can be both interesting and beneficial to sample other cultures, and take the good from each, make a societal stew and serve it up. However, there must always be a dominant culture in every society. One for all newcomers to assimilate to. Otherwise it's a tangled mess where the saying "try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one" rings true. What we have in America is many incoming minorities who don't want to put American culture before their own. Such is the case with the language problem as a prime example. I wouldn't be surprised if one day we have two teachers in every classroom. One for people who speak English, and another for those who can only speak Spanish. You may laugh, but we're not far from it.

You will never see me challange the theory of the Alpha. Just look at nature to KNOW it is true. But then look at nature again..for instance a wolf pack...the Alpha is dominant but always fair...and seemingly wise.

 

[needtogetarmy]

Those williams chicks have somethign weird going on....like dbol clits or something. For big stong girls like that they should be winning more matches.

Little hawt Russian girls beat them up good.

 

[Dial_tone]

Those williams chicks have somethign weird going on....like dbol clits or something. For big stong girls like that they should be winning more matches.

Little hawt Russian girls beat them up good.

1. That little hawt Russian girl is 6'2. Venus is 6'1; Serena is 5'9.
2. Maria has 18 career Tour singles titles; Venus 36; Serena 29.
3. Maria has one Wimbledon title; Venus has 4; Serena 2.
4. Maria has won $11 million in career winnings; Venus and Serena have $18 million each.

You should rethink who is beating up who.

 

[mrplunkey]

why is the entire continent of Africa for shit.Theres gotta be 50 countries on that continent and not a one of them is worth a fuck. No other continent has that sort of all encompassing shittiness.

If you really want to raise the quality of living in Africa, the best way is to probably let evil, greedy, corporations move-in there and exploit their labor base. Once some currency starts flowing through the region, businesses will force greater levels of education and infrastructure as well -- and those same businesses will provide the tax base to do it.

Shipping food, medicine or money over there again and again is just plain dumb. Either truly raise their standard of living with employment, education and infrastructure or just leave them the hell alone. What we do now is no worse than keeping someone in a persistent vegitative state on life support for 40 years.

 

[EnderJE]

I think it would be easier to pull all support for the area or conquer it.

 

[Dial_tone]

If you really want to raise the quality of living in Africa, the best way is to probably let evil, greedy, corporations move-in there and exploit their labor base. Once some currency starts flowing through the region, businesses will force greater levels of education and infrastructure as well -- and those same businesses will provide the tax base to do it.

That idea hasn't worked at all in relation to the diamond trade; however I generally agree with you. We wre essentially doing that in Liberia in the early 80's until the country broke into civil war and ran the businesses back out. Seems like there were some tire/rubber companies there until then.

The biggest problem in Africa is that outsiders think of them as one people, since they're all black. Truth is Africa is comprised of dozens (hundreds?) of tribes that would just as soon kill each other than sit down and have dinner. They don't trust each other any more than Indians trusted the white man, and look where that got them.

Liberia is actually a very interesting story. It was founded by ex slaves that went back to Africa after they were freed. The odd thing is they still considered themselves to be Americans, as did the natives that never left. The two sides never meshed well, proving you really can't go home again. Read up on it in Wikipedia, good read.

 

[mydawgs]

That idea hasn't worked at all in relation to the diamond trade; however I generally agree with you. We wre essentially doing that in Liberia in the early 80's until the country broke into civil war and ran the businesses back out. Seems like there were some tire/rubber companies there until then.

The biggest problem in Africa is that outsiders think of them as one people, since they're all black. Truth is Africa is comprised of dozens (hundreds?) of tribes that would just as soon kill each other than sit down and have dinner. They don't trust each other any more than Indians trusted the white man, and look where that got them.
Liberia is actually a very interesting story. It was founded by ex slaves that went back to Africa after they were freed. The odd thing is they still considered themselves to be Americans, as did the natives that never left. The two sides never meshed well, proving you really can't go home again. Read up on it in Wikipedia, good read.

Actually the Indian Nation was quite disjointed as well. Had the Indian Nation put their differences aside and stood together against the White Man, North America might be a very different country today.....

 

[mrplunkey]

Actually the Indian Nation was quite disjointed as well. Had the Indian Nation put their differences aside and stood together against the White Man, North America might be a very different country today.....

Very true. Even a tiny amount of organization on the part of Native Americans would have had wide-sweeping ramifications on the US.

 

[Razorguns]

I can't wait til Whitey complete leaves town and all the races turn on each other. It'll be hillarious, cuz the blanket 'let's blame whitey for everything' excuse goes away.

So then what? I know, comedy ensues!!

Karma has a way of fixing things up. Dont' like white people? They're evil? Okay, your city has none of them. And they took their money & jobs. Other races & cultures have moved in now.

Good luck with your new environment. Let us know if it's 10x better now.

r

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

I can't wait til Whitey complete leaves town and all the races turn on each other. It'll be hillarious, cuz the blanket 'let's blame whitey for everything' excuse goes away.

So then what? I know, comedy ensues!!

Karma has a way of fixing things up. Dont' like white people? They're evil? Okay, your city has none of them. And they took their money & jobs. Other races & cultures have moved in now.

Good luck with your new environment. Let us know if it's 10x better now.

r

Case closed.

 

[mydawgs]

I can't wait til Whitey complete leaves town and all the races turn on each other. It'll be hillarious, cuz the blanket 'let's blame whitey for everything' excuse goes away.

So then what? I know, comedy ensues!!

Karma has a way of fixing things up. Dont' like white people? They're evil? Okay, your city has none of them. And they took their money & jobs. Other races & cultures have moved in now.

Good luck with your new environment. Let us know if it's 10x better now.

r

Well this won't be happeining anytime soon I hope...I have no desire to leave. Hell I have a hard time understanding how anyone hates an entire Race of people, it is hard to comprehend. Condeming an entire group of people based on the experiences with some of those in that race is wrong IMO for anyone. My hope is for the US to utilize it's human resources, every person and what they bring with their culture can add something. I have only been on this forum for a couple of days and the wealth of knowledge here on many dimensions is staggering. The question should be how to channel it for all of our benefit. I think it just requires a different way of thinking, and a few good leaders that can focus our collective goodness to the satisfaction of the majority. Seems rather simple, but has shown to be nearly impossible to achieve, do any of you wonder why? I do. Why is it so hard to see each other for what we have to offer one another vs someone to get over on. Is it human nature????? How sad is that if true.

 

[Razorguns]

Well this won't be happeining anytime soon I hope...I have no desire to leave. Hell I have a hard time understanding how anyone hates an entire Race of people, it is hard to comprehend. Condeming an entire group of people based on the experiences with some of those in that race is wrong IMO for anyone. My hope is for the US to utilize it's human resources, every person and what they bring with their culture can add something. I have only been on this forum for a couple of days and the wealth of knowledge here on many dimensions is staggering. The question should be how to channel it for all of our benefit. I think it just requires a different way of thinking, and a few good leaders that can focus our collective goodness to the satisfaction of the majority. Seems rather simple, but has shown to be nearly impossible to achieve, do any of you wonder why? I do. Why is it so hard to see each other for what we have to offer one another vs someone to get over on. Is it human nature????? How sad is that if true.

mullitcuralism was an expierment that failed badly in the US. You got tons of people of all types, who then just wind up living together. And fighting other groups for the same slice of pie.

No wonder other countries don't allow it. Europe started, and now they're having problems too. ME males are rioting in the streets. Racism is so prevalent in Ireland and England. A black man can't walk London in poor areas at night w/o hearing 'hey nigger' yelled out. I have yet to hear even that hear.

Racism is 100x worse once you leave the borders.

But hey, you can stay. And be that 1 white guy in town who everyone can blame for everything. So if you want your sucker white child in school taking the blunt of everything, and having to learn spanish, and being around race riots and gangs and pregnant teens - go ahead. Your kid.

Everyone else - usually Asians and Whites and Jews and Perians cuz they usually move together - are moving out of the cities and into nicer cities with real expensive homes and no low-income housing, to keep out the riff-raff.

You won't find Section 8 housing in OC, or Greenwhich, CT.

I love race wars. It's fun to watch and see losers, who don't even like America, slowly destroying their own communities cuz of their ignorance and desire to blame a faceless person for their own shitty lives.

r

 

[mydawgs]

mullitcuralism was an expierment that failed badly in the US. You got tons of people of all types, who then just wind up living together. And fighting other groups for the same slice of pie.

No wonder other countries don't allow it. Europe started, and now they're having problems too. ME males are rioting in the streets. Racism is so prevalent in Ireland and England. A black man can't walk London in poor areas at night w/o hearing 'hey nigger' yelled out. I have yet to hear even that hear.

Racism is 100x worse once you leave the borders.

But hey, you can stay. And be that 1 white guy in town who everyone can blame for everything. So if you want your sucker white child in school taking the blunt of everything, and having to learn spanish, and being around race riots and gangs and pregnant teens - go ahead. Your kid.

Everyone else - usually Asians and Whites and Jews and Perians cuz they usually move together - are moving out of the cities and into nicer cities with real expensive homes and no low-income housing, to keep out the riff-raff.

You won't find Section 8 housing in OC, or Greenwhich, CT.

I love race wars. It's fun to watch and see losers, who don't even like America, slowly destroying their own communities cuz of their ignorance and desire to blame a faceless person for their own shitty lives.

r

Well think what you may, it is your right. But the truth of the matter is you can't unring this bell. Negativity and irrational thinking never solved a thing. I suppose that is why I love the sciences, you may look at things objectively and come to logical conclusions.

I will claim racism is rooted in each individual and until those individuals can change their thinking and look for higher ground then you are correct, the misunderstanding will be perpetuated and there will be a lot of finger pointing and nothing constructive will be accomplished...it's lovely isn't it!

From the sounds of it blame seems to be flowing freely in both directions according to you....again how useful.

And one more thing, I have raised two pretty terrific children, they were never suckers, and they think an awful lot like me. As a result they have been able to learn many things from people of many different cultures and experience things without those relationships they never could have. Sounds pretty shitty huh? You make all privleged white kids sound like a pleasure to be around...now thats a joke. I have found privleged kids of all colors feel a sense of entitlement that would blow your mind. Decoded that means they do what ever they damn well please and hardly care how it impacts anyone but themselves, and why should they when they break the law or torrment another unmercifly they are protected by their caretakers...not made to be accountable, excused and protected. This by the way produces wonderful adults. This is not a general statement this based on what I have experienced in raising my own.

You do things your way and I'll do things my way, but I bet dimes to dollars me and mine don't spend an eigth of the time you do spewing such hateful and negative emotion.....now that is wasted energy and time, it simply feels bad and accomplishes NOTHING. JMO.

 

[Razorguns]

Well think what you may, it is your right. But the truth of the matter is you can't unring this bell. Negativity and irrational thinking never solved a thing. I suppose that is why I love the sciences, you may look at things objectively and come to logical conclusions.

I will claim racism is rooted in each individual and until those individuals can change their thinking and look for higher ground then you are correct, the misunderstanding will be perpetuated and there will be a lot of finger pointing and nothing constructive will be accomplished...it's lovely isn't it!

From the sounds of it blame seems to be flowing freely in both directions according to you....again how useful.

And one more thing, I have raised two pretty terrific children, they were never suckers, and they think an awful lot like me. As a result they have been able to learn many things from people of many different cultures and experience things without those relationships they never could have. Sounds pretty shitty huh? You make all privleged white kids sound like a pleasure to be around...now thats a joke. I have found privleged kids of all colors feel a sense of entitlement that would blow your mind. Decoded that means they do what ever they damn well please and hardly care how it impacts anyone but themselves, and why should they when they break the law or torrment another unmercifly they are protected by their caretakers...not made to be accountable, excused and protected. This by the way produces wonderful adults. This is not a general statement this based on what I have experienced in raising my own.

You do things your way and I'll do things my way, but I bet dimes to dollars me and mine don't spend an eigth of the time you do spewing such hateful and negative emotion.....now that is wasted energy and time, it simply feels bad and accomplishes NOTHING. JMO.

i'm talking about OTHERS spewing hatred and negativity. Lots of that in America these. Read some EF threads!

I ain't putting my kids, regardless of race - in a negative, poor, crappy environment. Whether it's a shitty school in alabama, barrio in east la, or ghetto in south central. They'll become a product of their environment and next thing you know - i got kids in prison.

As for Racism. America is still tops in terms of racial integration. A black or hispanic or east indian man only has to walk in certain parts of the world and see real racism in effect. Sometimes even violent versions.

Why does it happen? Poverty. Lack of education. Consequence of crappy living, recession, indifference, upbringing? Who knows. Studies have been done. The most overt racist areas, are areas where income is minimal. Look it up. I don't know too many trailer park trash hiring hispanic gardeners.

And while it's there - you can either stnad your ground, and put up with it just to 'make a point' (good luck with that) - or you can move somewhere where people are focused on living a life, instead of hate, focused on the positive.

And that's what a lot of whites, asians, jews, indians and persians are doing. Migrating outwards.

And why LA (and certain other parts of la) is turning a complete fucking shithole full of every bad personality trait in people you can imagine.

I find it interesting. Since I don't run this country as King, i have no power. I'm just focused on my life, and can just watch from the sidelines in amusement as people self-destruct their own, and their own communities. Sad, but hey, i'm not their keepers.

I blame the public schools.

r

 

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i'm talking about OTHERS spewing hatred and negativity. Lots of that in America these. Read some EF threads!

I ain't putting my kids, regardless of race - in a negative, poor, crappy environment. Whether it's a shitty school in alabama, barrio in east la, or ghetto in south central. They'll become a product of their environment and next thing you know - i got kids in prison.

As for Racism. America is still tops in terms of racial integration. A black or hispanic or east indian man only has to walk in certain parts of the world and see real racism in effect. Sometimes even violent versions.

Why does it happen? Poverty. Lack of education. Consequence of crappy living, recession, indifference, upbringing? Who knows. Studies have been done. The most overt racist areas, are areas where income is minimal. Look it up. I don't know too many trailer park trash hiring hispanic gardeners.

And while it's there - you can either stnad your ground, and put up with it just to 'make a point' (good luck with that) - or you can move somewhere where people are focused on living a life, instead of hate, focused on the positive.

And that's what a lot of whites, asians, jews, indians and persians are doing. Migrating outwards.

And why LA (and certain other parts of la) is turning a complete fucking shithole full of every bad personality trait in people you can imagine.

I find it interesting. Since I don't run this country as King, i have no power. I'm just focused on my life, and can just watch from the sidelines in amusement as people self-destruct their own, and their own communities. Sad, but hey, i'm not their keepers.

I blame the public schools.

r

There is a lot of truth in your post, and I concur with a lot of your findings. Both of my kids opted for public school and did well. What I can tell you is that the environment they came up in made them strong where they needed to be, but they were able to maintain their compassion and open minds. I agree focusing on the "living" of your life is the key, I choose to pass my way of thinking on to mine so they may see a problem from many different perspectives. This provides many different methods by which to solve a single problem, it also enables the ability to think through the "what ifs" which ultimately leads them to understand consequences of ones actions.

I personally like difference, I find it interesting and educational. The day I stop learning is the day I start to die. As far as making a stand to prove a point, sometimes. But wisdom is always my guide based on my lives experiences. When it comes to multi-culture environments I have to say my experiences have been posative and am thankful for every opportunity that came my way.

Thanks for the exchange it has been a good one.