more expensive cycle w/ less sides. thoughts?

[bicepts101]

I'm not super experienced with cycling, but if it were my cycle, I'd add 200mg of test.

this is a good idea...test is needed IMO

 

[bicepts101]

your nuts for a first cycle. u want to run one compound it its test deca or dbol. test can give estrogen gyno and deca progesterone gyno. u won't know which it is. then you have dbol as well. this is your first do test e alone for 12 weeks or do your primo and var. do not do a hard stack first time.

why cant he do two compounds for a first cycle?...cause thats what everyone says to do?...

check it out bro look at his cycle both of those compound aromatise at VERY slow rates if even at all and neither are derived from progesterone. in fact, this cycle is a great example of why u can use more than one compound on a first cycle. others would be test winny----primo, winny----test, anavar----you get the point. if the only reason we are "supposed" to use one compound for a first cycle is to decipher whether side effects are coming from estrogen or progesterone then why not stay on one side of the fence? im not saying 3 or 4 but i see no problem with 2 esppecially those 2. i hate that shit, think for your self man

 

[Bruce]

why cant he do two compounds for a first cycle?...cause thats what everyone says to do?...

check it out bro look at his cycle both of those compound aromatise at VERY slow rates if even at all and neither are derived from progesterone. in fact, this cycle is a great example of why u can use more than one compound on a first cycle. others would be test winny----primo, winny----test, anavar----you get the point. if the only reason we are "supposed" to use one compound for a first cycle is to decipher whether side effects are coming from estrogen or progesterone then why not stay on one side of the fence? im not saying 3 or 4 but i see no problem with 2 esppecially those 2. i hate that shit, think for your self man

heres my opinion, your first cycle can be whatever you want, if you want to stack fine, but don't do some stack someone told u about, do it like sweed who researched his cycle down to the last t and there will be no problem. i still say deca test and dbol is too much for a person who was originally gonna do primo and var and it is too much for a first cycle, test deca would be ok, but why not gain 20 lbs of one type of gear, its all u need

 

[bicepts101]

heres my opinion, your first cycle can be whatever you want, if you want to stack fine, but don't do some stack someone told u about, do it like sweed who researched his cycle down to the last t and there will be no problem. i still say deca test and dbol is too much for a person who was originally gonna do primo and var and it is too much for a first cycle, test deca would be ok, but why not gain 20 lbs of one type of gear, its all u need

lol ok bro i agree with one part of your statement and that is test deca dbol is too much.

you comepletly contradict yourself on one part in there. on your other post you said you want to do one compound so you can figure out where sides are coming from i.e. estrogen, progesterone, then u say test deca is a good first cycle....whatever thats not the point here....bottom line primo and anavar are very safe first cycle....me id advise primo, test 400mg each..but thats me.

....and not everyone is going to gain 20 lbs from one cycle nor one compound. it doesnt happen to everyone bro so again speak for yourself

 

[Bruce]

lol ok bro i agree with one part of your statement and that is test deca dbol is too much.

you comepletly contradict yourself on one part in there. on your other post you said you want to do one compound so you can figure out where sides are coming from i.e. estrogen, progesterone, then u say test deca is a good first cycle....whatever thats not the point here....bottom line primo and anavar are very safe first cycle....me id advise primo, test 400mg each..but thats me.

....and not everyone is going to gain 20 lbs from one cycle nor one compound. it doesnt happen to everyone bro so again speak for yourself

i am really not lookin to argue with you your a good bro. firstly a hundred percent agree with you test primo would be excellent. however my point was that a heavy stack first time is bad, a stack of mild gear with no sides isn't gonna be a problem while not as effective as test with somethin else

 

[hoogish_feet]

To bulk on and healthier for your wallet id say go with what you have here for the results you need.TestE is fine up the dbol to 30mg and the deca to around 300-400mg per week and your good to go should gain nicely on that.

thanks. variations of this cycle seem to be popular for people's first cycles.

i've read that that the second cycle i listed is good for mass gains, even for newbies to steroids...but the reason i had the deca realtively low is because i was reading that for a first cycle, you want to keep the deca at the low end relatively speaking. i see you think more is better here, but i've read for a first cycle to keep it to 200-300mg /week...i still need to look into this a little bit more.

also i had the dbol a bit low because i was reading the more you take, the more toxic it is to the liver even though it is only for the first several weeks. i mean i could always start with less and possibly bump it up 5mg or so.

(although i'm new to using gear,i'm not new to bodybuilding- today i dealifted 360x6 reps...)

 

[hoogish_feet]

last question

anyone have experience using N-Acetyl Cysteine when on a cycle? i was just reading how it can help the liver when you are on a cycle from getting damaged. Unfortunately on this site i've never heard of one person using it

 

[gymratforlife]

heh this is your first cycle?

 

[hoogish_feet]

heh this is your first cycle?

yes, everyone starts somewhere

i have a great base to build on and i know i could really blow up on it. i'm still planning the details...

 

[Excidium28]

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