mma fighter cutting weight question

[rfowler]

whats up everyone, this board has some great insight and I would appreciate any feedback I could get about what I am about to do. I have a fight in just over a month and have to cut about 15 pounds, not a big deal. I have used gear prior but it has been a while for me and as I am older I want to be wiser as well. I am going to do the following

50ml of Winny ED for 30 days
1 37.5 ml phentermine ED
milk thistle twice a day
introduce nolvadex at day 20 for pct
my diet and cardio is fine my team trains heavy, I just want to know that the winny wont be a waste. Also I am going to try drinking the winny this time as well. If you dont mind critiquing me I would appreciate it. If any of you guys are fighters and have done short cycles your reponses would be great too.

 

[a creed]

whats up everyone, this board has some great insight and I would appreciate any feedback I could get about what I am about to do. I have a fight in just over a month and have to cut about 15 pounds, not a big deal. I have used gear prior but it has been a while for me and as I am older I want to be wiser as well. I am going to do the following

50ml of Winny ED for 30 days
1 37.5 ml phentermine ED
milk thistle twice a day
introduce nolvadex at day 20 for pct
my diet and cardio is fine my team trains heavy, I just want to know that the winny wont be a waste. Also I am going to try drinking the winny this time as well. If you dont mind critiquing me I would appreciate it. If any of you guys are fighters and have done short cycles your reponses would be great too.

If you simply need to cut LB's - why use gear?

And Winny only?..............................ugggghh

 

[solidspine]

Add some prop or suspension,

Test and winny,

Diet, Diet, Diet,

 

[hanibal]

i also fight, kickboxing and juijitsu. less than a year. i did tons of shit for past 13 years. last 3 though not heavy doses and only 1 12-16 wk cycle/year. i've done winny last 2 cycles, 1 this summer and 1 before. 50-75mg ED for 6 wks 1st time and 10wks 2nd time. now that i'm into training alot i wish i never did winny although i LOVED the strength, tightness and the way it dried me out. now when i train(juijitsu) my joints kill me and i know i would be better off if i never did the winny. if u do it, startusing MSN w/ chond NOW. continue it as long as u can. it will help w/ joint aches from winny. i wouldn't use nolvadex either. if i were u i would do clomid, AIFM PCT. good luck. u fight professionally? i know alot of pro athletes including ufc and boxing fail drug tests for winny. i'm surprised since it's bad on the joints but maybe the results outweigh the joint pain for some. i loved winny though. all this talk has me havin second thoughts on using it again. my next cycle will be EQ( good for endurance) 600/wk for 16 wks with proviron entire time at 50-75ED. 50-75ED winny would be nice to throw in last 6 weeks, huh...LOL.
do am cardio if u don't already, on empty stomach and again at night, 40-60min each time. i'm sure u do alot of cardio anyway.

 

[rfowler]

thanks for the reply as of yet only amatuer mma fights. We train BJJ and yes I can see how joint pain would make grappling difficult. My main question is a four week cycle will I get the hardening affect that I want if my cardio and diet are clean, and how will the winny coincide with the phentermine I am taking now.

 

[hanibal]

i guess phentermine is like ephedra...? if so it will be ok w/ winny. if i were u and i was not using test, i would do the winny 50ED for 6 weeks, go past show. instead of phentermine, i would use T-Rex from anabolifitness.com. best fat burner around PERIOD. it would probably just be kicking around time of fight so... if u've been using phentermine, it would maybe be better to just stay on that. if u are around 10%BF now, and your diet, training, cardio have been on point, winny will get u leaner, stronger, bigger and drier.

 

[rfowler]

I only have 20cc so my plan was 50ml per day up to the fight. Will nolvadex help with combating the cholesterol issues associated with drinking the winny?

 

[ninjapenguin26]

I reccomend using Trex, I do MMA and its been 2 months since my last fight... I start using about 7 weeks before my fight and take it for 6 weeks, It gives me a good boost. It keeps me pumped, and when I train I train with a lot higher intensity level, and Keeps me sharp... Give it a try, and if you don't feel like eating make sure you have regular meals, you CAN eat... it just feels like you dont have to.

 

[tempest2003]

i would deff stay away from winny especialy if you plan on being extremley active

 

[Bozwell]

halo and proviron

 

[karachi183]

winny is ok but 15lbs in a month for a fight might suck the life out of ya... In that case i woudn't use anything that retains water..

 

[hanibal]

nolva supposedely does help w/ cholesterol issues but sesapure also from anabolicfitness.com, is better.

 

[rfowler]

I think I am leaning more towards the tabs for four weeks just for the he sesapure looks great and I am going to purchase it. I do have a question that I cant seem to get a definite answer for, does winstrol aromatize and can it cause gyno?

 

[NURSEPIMP]

halo and proviron

Halo may be the ticket. How is it with endurance/ cramping though?

Have you considered anavar? That may also be a good choice if you have access to enough of it.

That halo sounds legit though as long as joint pain and cramping wont be an issue while rolling around..

-NP